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When will government or public advocacy groups begin to effectively regulate the supplement industry? [New research study on Vitamin D supplements]

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 12, 2013 at 3:05 AM

Analysis finds vitamin D potency varies widely in dietary supplements

The analysis showed that the amount of vitamin D in these supplements ranged from 9 percent to 146 percent of the amount listed on the label. Not only was there variation among different brands and manufacturers, but also among different pills from the same bottle. "We were surprised by the variation in potency among these vitamin D pills," says Erin S. LeBlanc, M.D.

The finding "surprises" Dr. LeBlanc, but wouldn't surprise many here. Am presently very skeptical of supplements because of the unregulated nature of the industry. I never know whether the efficacy of a given brand is as promised, or even if they contain contaminants or outright toxins. By its nature, the supplement industry is infested with scam artists who lack medical expertise and look to make a quick buck off consumers who cannot confirm product claim.

Edit [Response to Anon]
I don't trust the present government wrt health, either. But someone should provide reliable certification. Lab tests. I definitely would feel higher confidence if Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson, Dr. Cordain had independent lab, and put their reputations behind it. For instance, will the maker of the 9% of promised vitamin content get sued or prosecuted? Unlikely under present system.

Edit #2
I want to give an example of technically legal but unacceptable behavior in this area. Tim Ferriss in his best-seller 4 Hour Workweek openly boasts about his corner-cutting, get-rich-quick schemes throughout college and in life. After college graduation, this guy with admitted no medical knowledge, or anything related, says he opened up a supplement company on a $5,000 credit card charge, promising a brain-performance enhancer, priced high to make it appear high-end, and did $60,000 a month in turnover. You can bet there are a swarm of these guys out there mixed in amongst the legit sales.

Edit #3
The Paleo gurus might consider forming such a group at the next Paleo Convention, and thereby make some money in a win-win for themselves and the consumer. Also, their own product lines will sell better, being then able to differentiate themselves from the pack of anonymous, unproven brands. Those who sell a legit, clean, high-quality product would benefit most from certification.

Article at: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-02-analysis-vitamin-d-potency-varies.html

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 13, 2013
at 02:52 PM

I prefer Terry Wahl's way... all the vitamins should come from real food.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 13, 2013
at 02:50 PM

through use of many resources, derived from various avenues. I hope you never need urgent medical attention - I am sure the cavemen didn't have defibrillators laying around...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 13, 2013
at 02:48 PM

in the cave couldn't pop a few pill? I think you're recommendations to consume 'real food' are great and I largely agree with the setmiemnt, but in very many instances real food, (particularly in the context of modern times) simply may not cut it. This is (Arguably) particularly so in the short run where people are correcting deficiencies or dealing with digestive issues. Even after such issues are dealt with though, magnesium for example could still be useful to supplement. Paleo might be about living in the cave to you: great. But health, particularly in contemporary times, can be fostered

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 13, 2013
at 02:44 PM

Generally D3 is not synthetic. People with compromised digestive systems may need a little extra on the vitamins or minerals front to ensure that good amounts are actually absorbed. This is especailly the case where people come to paleo having deficiencies. Modern soils being the way they are make it likely that most have a magnesium deficeincy; those concerned with heavy metals (or, again, have compriimsed digestive processes) might also be concerned about heavy metals in 'natural' soruces of iodine like seaweed. Thus making supplements not only appropriate but desirable. So what if people

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 13, 2013
at 06:00 AM

Can't you get it from real food? And also, just so you know, the amount of ultraviolet rays that reach the surface does not depend on whether it is cloudy or not - only on latitude. Let me assure you - people close to equator get enough sunlight even in a cloudy rainforest. And if you live in Alaska, make sure to eat salmon - the whole fish that is. Get your vitamin D from the right sources. I bet they will discover at some point that synthetic vitamin D causes cancer.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on February 13, 2013
at 04:47 AM

I didn't say each individual should have their own lab. Such a juvenile debate technique... Private organizations like Consumerlabs are how the people can regulate through market forces.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on February 13, 2013
at 04:43 AM

re: Ferriss... what 'marketplace' was misinformed? He packaged compounds that were being marketed as nootropic. He sold them as nootropics. Completely honest and acceptable. As for *Codex Alimentarius... not sure why you wouldn't want to discuss it. 100% relevant to your OP.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 13, 2013
at 04:33 AM

It is not up to each individual to have a lab in their home. They need trusted persons doing lab tests. This is the central point. As to Tim Ferriss, the informed marketplace would have not room for that kind of behavior. As for Agenda 21 and the monopolymen, I have nothing to say about that on this forum.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 13, 2013
at 01:08 AM

It is not up to each individual to have a lab in their home. They need trusted persons doing lab testing. This is the central point. As to Tim Ferriss, the informed marketplace would have not room for that kind of behavior. As for Agenda 21 and the monopolymen, I have nothing to say about that on this forum.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 13, 2013
at 01:02 AM

It is not up to each individual to have a lab in their home. They need trusted persons doing lab testing. This is the central point. As to Tim Ferriss, the informed marketplace would have not place for that type of behavior. As for Agenda 21 and the monopolymen, I have nothing to say about that on this forum.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 13, 2013
at 12:56 AM

It is not up to each individual to each have a lab in their home. They need trusted persons doing lab testing. This is the central point. As to Tim Ferriss, the informed marketplace would have not place for that type of behavior. As for Agenda 21 and the monopolymen, I have nothing to say about that on this forum.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 13, 2013
at 12:55 AM

It is not up to each individual to each have a lab in their home. They need trusted persons doing lab testing. This is the central point. As to Tim Ferriss, the informed marketplace would not have place for that type of behavior. As for Agenda 21 and the monopolymen, I have nothing to say about that on this forum.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on February 12, 2013
at 08:31 PM

As someone who lives in a cloudy rainforest, where the sun's rays are generally non-existant, I choose to supplement with vitamin D. My only choices right now are to take a non-paleo pill or risk a vitamin deficiency. Do you really advocate the latter over the former?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 12, 2013
at 05:08 PM

I am not sure you got the point of Paleo.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 12, 2013
at 02:44 PM

er, okay? I'm not sure you got the point...

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 12, 2013
at 02:34 PM

Try eating a refrigerator then.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 12, 2013
at 02:11 PM

The FDA is beholden to big business. That doesn't mean that regulatory bodies in principle are ineffectual. It means that the system as it functions is corrupted by avarice and internal contradiction; the 'regulation' by governments of business is so often done to suit business, not industry/workers and consumers...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 12, 2013
at 02:07 PM

Like Kashkillz sais, 'in a true essence of paleo' we wouldn't be using the fridge either. Or be sitting here right now typing away...

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on February 12, 2013
at 02:01 PM

You should know that there is a global move toward supplement regulation based on the *Codex Alimentarius*. The WTO and WHO have been pressuring governments for decades to follow their regulations for vitamin and supplement industry. They also have quite a few surprises for the entire organic food movement. No surprise that these two global institutions share a revolving door policy with the industries of Big Pharma, Big Agra...

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on February 12, 2013
at 01:57 PM

Nothing unacceptable about Ferriss' supplement. He purchased and rebranded supplements already marketed for that purpose. It's not like he was selling baby laxative and telling people it would stimulate their mental process. It's up to us, as consumers, to vet out scam artists, unreputable brands, bogus test procedures... above all else what does or does not work for us as individuals. I don't want a government nanny group poking around in my nutrition.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on February 12, 2013
at 01:51 PM

Supplements are a technological advancement to *supplement* diet and provide rapid, efficient delivery for nutrients. Some of us are striving for more than just healthy... do you drive, or do you walk everywhere? Do you use refrigeration, or just buy what you'll eat today? No need to eschew technological efficiencies.

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on February 12, 2013
at 03:38 AM

Something in me says that they are the scam artists to avoid...kill two birds by avoiding someone selling books and supplements...spend your money on real food and good shoes...

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 12, 2013
at 03:34 AM

I trust them as people but they make no claim about lab testing, AFAIK. Moreover, their product line is incomplete.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 12, 2013
at 03:32 AM

@ Resurgent: They do not explicitly promise lab testing. Moreover, their product line is limited.

A089b683ee0498f2b21b7edfa300e405

(3895)

on February 12, 2013
at 03:30 AM

Why not just buy from the likes of Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson or Dr. Cordain. Kill two birds with one stone. Support your heroes, and keep the Govt. out of your hair...

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4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

(744)

on February 12, 2013
at 03:08 AM

I hope never.

The government never regulates anything well. The corporations take over the regulating entities and make it harder for the customers to protect themselves than if these idiotic government entities like the FDA never existed.

Claiming to sell an amount of something and selling another amount is fraud, pure and simple, and laws against fraud already exist. Companies have already been sued out of existence for selling different amounts of vitamin D than claimed. Check "The vitamin D solution" by Michael Holick for a story on that.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 12, 2013
at 02:11 PM

The FDA is beholden to big business. That doesn't mean that regulatory bodies in principle are ineffectual. It means that the system as it functions is corrupted by avarice and internal contradiction; the 'regulation' by governments of business is so often done to suit business, not industry/workers and consumers...

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757f1ff864ea8f669d58e83cc1f1881b

(309)

on February 12, 2013
at 09:28 AM

The only source I trust is Consumer Labs, but you'd need membership to access their test results. They're not linked to any government what so ever. They even "fail" certain products and check for lead contamination. As a ME-CFS patient, I need to take some supplements for the time being, but I always check with CL for sure!

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 12, 2013
at 07:35 AM

Why do healthy robust people eating well even need supplements? To me all that supplement industry is just what it is: another industry.

We condemn people who eat processed foods. But we must buy processed... chemicals? Does it even make sense?

If you are lacking vitamin D, it means something is not right either with your digestive system or your lifestyle or your food supply.

In a true essence of Paleo supplements should be outlawed.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 12, 2013
at 02:07 PM

Like Kashkillz sais, 'in a true essence of paleo' we wouldn't be using the fridge either. Or be sitting here right now typing away...

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 13, 2013
at 02:52 PM

I prefer Terry Wahl's way... all the vitamins should come from real food.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 12, 2013
at 02:44 PM

er, okay? I'm not sure you got the point...

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on February 12, 2013
at 08:31 PM

As someone who lives in a cloudy rainforest, where the sun's rays are generally non-existant, I choose to supplement with vitamin D. My only choices right now are to take a non-paleo pill or risk a vitamin deficiency. Do you really advocate the latter over the former?

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 13, 2013
at 02:48 PM

in the cave couldn't pop a few pill? I think you're recommendations to consume 'real food' are great and I largely agree with the setmiemnt, but in very many instances real food, (particularly in the context of modern times) simply may not cut it. This is (Arguably) particularly so in the short run where people are correcting deficiencies or dealing with digestive issues. Even after such issues are dealt with though, magnesium for example could still be useful to supplement. Paleo might be about living in the cave to you: great. But health, particularly in contemporary times, can be fostered

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 13, 2013
at 02:44 PM

Generally D3 is not synthetic. People with compromised digestive systems may need a little extra on the vitamins or minerals front to ensure that good amounts are actually absorbed. This is especailly the case where people come to paleo having deficiencies. Modern soils being the way they are make it likely that most have a magnesium deficeincy; those concerned with heavy metals (or, again, have compriimsed digestive processes) might also be concerned about heavy metals in 'natural' soruces of iodine like seaweed. Thus making supplements not only appropriate but desirable. So what if people

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 12, 2013
at 05:08 PM

I am not sure you got the point of Paleo.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on February 12, 2013
at 01:51 PM

Supplements are a technological advancement to *supplement* diet and provide rapid, efficient delivery for nutrients. Some of us are striving for more than just healthy... do you drive, or do you walk everywhere? Do you use refrigeration, or just buy what you'll eat today? No need to eschew technological efficiencies.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 12, 2013
at 02:34 PM

Try eating a refrigerator then.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 13, 2013
at 06:00 AM

Can't you get it from real food? And also, just so you know, the amount of ultraviolet rays that reach the surface does not depend on whether it is cloudy or not - only on latitude. Let me assure you - people close to equator get enough sunlight even in a cloudy rainforest. And if you live in Alaska, make sure to eat salmon - the whole fish that is. Get your vitamin D from the right sources. I bet they will discover at some point that synthetic vitamin D causes cancer.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on February 13, 2013
at 02:50 PM

through use of many resources, derived from various avenues. I hope you never need urgent medical attention - I am sure the cavemen didn't have defibrillators laying around...

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E421d5483a4d625c4b1af33472cc89d4

on February 12, 2013
at 08:18 PM

Vital Nutrients supplements are regulated by the FDA, so they are manufactured using cGMP's. I've actually found warning letters from the FDA to the company online, making sure they follow up with claims that certain nutrients are in certain supplements in certain amounts. They're reasonably priced. I get them through my naturopath, but they also have a website.

0
E421d5483a4d625c4b1af33472cc89d4

on February 12, 2013
at 08:21 PM

Vital Nutrients supplements are regulated by the FDA, so they are manufactured using cGMP's. I've actually found warning letters from the FDA to the company online, making sure they follow up with claims that certain nutrients are in certain supplements in certain amounts. They're reasonably priced. I get them through my naturopath, but they also have a website.

0
A089b683ee0498f2b21b7edfa300e405

on February 12, 2013
at 03:32 AM

Why not just buy from the likes of Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson or Dr. Cordain. Kill two birds with one stone. Support your heroes, and keep the Govt. out of your hair...

Medium avatar

(10611)

on February 12, 2013
at 03:38 AM

Something in me says that they are the scam artists to avoid...kill two birds by avoiding someone selling books and supplements...spend your money on real food and good shoes...

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 12, 2013
at 03:34 AM

I trust them as people but they make no claim about lab testing, AFAIK. Moreover, their product line is incomplete.

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