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What supplements for a conventionally eating person?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM

I tried to find an answer, but most treads about supplements deal with people already on the paleo diet. I would like to send my Mom the most important supplements she needs while still on a conventional diet (she eats meat, mostly chicken, but also a lot of bread and pasta). I tried to convince her to eat more red meat (and got her a slowcooker to make it easier), but it's difficult when she is far away from me and used to her traditional ways. And she is convinced she shouldn't eat red meat because of her blood type (stupid pseudo=science in magazines!).

I was thinking of D3, Krill Oil and Magnesium. Anything other that non-paleo might need particularly? She smokes (since she was 9), has various muscle-joint pains, had multiple surgeries on spine and legs, I think it was neurologically connected. She also had a serious depression some decade ago. She also works a lot, walks quite a lot too. oh, she also has problems with vision and had a cataract operation three decades ago. As far as I know her heart is healthy, she has low-blood pressure by nature (I've got the same), but I don't know her blood results, as she hasn't been to any doctor in a few years (b/c of constant work).

Any thoughts?

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

sorry for the typos-

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on April 21, 2012
at 12:42 AM

Even if she ate paleo/primal the eyes, smoking, depression, and menopause would make me think she might need to supplement anyways, you know.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on April 21, 2012
at 12:40 AM

"Mom's! So cheap, always cutting corners! Why bother trying to help them?? They are so bad at changing their habits after years, who needs 'em!"-what that post sounds like. Don't you think it would do her good to correct some of the deficiencies she probably has, especially given she's a smoker? Even following primal/paleo I think most smokers would benefit from additional supplementation. It's not a long-term ideal solution, but isn't that better than nothing? Like, for example, vitamin C? What with uptake decreased and all.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on April 20, 2012
at 09:12 PM

Yes, to hell with mothers that can't change their diets overnight! Who needs 'em!! They are so lazy, always with the easy answers those mothers. 'If they would rather die,' said Scrooge, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 20, 2012
at 09:06 PM

Yeah, my mom quit with sunflower seeds the old-fashioned way- she still swears it works better than the patch or any of the other medications she tried. They also have those mechanical cigarettes now, to help with the oral fixation.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on April 20, 2012
at 09:04 PM

My mom started smoking when she was 9 too! Oh the good old days. Fire retardant everything was created for the 30's-60's.

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on October 16, 2011
at 10:14 PM

Quilt, what do you mean by, "I would drink 1.5 liters of steeped green tea to get rid of the caffeine." That statement doesn't make sense.

2ab6415f5f20b8fe1d34a94c7be85e6a

on June 03, 2011
at 02:42 AM

Really youve felt a huge difference with damage control?

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 21, 2011
at 07:35 PM

I am trying to find the best way to help my Mom in the circumstances. I am not close to her, I can't cook for her or have her over to eat my things. I can't even talk to her too often. I want to help, but I am realistic and know that it's not easy to convince her, especially that I don't want to be disrespectful and patronizing to my own Mother.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 21, 2011
at 01:03 AM

yes, I want her to go to a doctor, but b/c of her work it's very difficult. She's working up to 11h a day and cannot take a day off. it's horrible :(

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

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on March 20, 2011
at 07:59 PM

I'm sorry I said the never word I will never stop saying never to something as cheap as taking supplimentys with the idea that I am getting heal;thy by them. I stand by my answer I will never tell anyone to eat crap and take a piull. Sorry

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:37 PM

Fish oil is huge for macular degeneration and cataract reversal. I just read an article about it http://archopht.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archophthalmol.2011.34

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 05:44 PM

Cant Hack that on the net. Find a local doc and assess his acumen. You can do it by asking the right probing questions. I love patients with questions. Because I know they want to change.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Momma will need more......but to get to her she needs a to have the hood opened and see whatis wrong with her ferrari.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 20, 2011
at 05:07 PM

Thanks! She likes chicken soup, so at least that's good. I will suggest her to eat more gelatin in some form.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 20, 2011
at 05:05 PM

But what about my Mom who is 65 years old? I will take your advice for myself, as I am 34, so about that age to still have a chance to switch things around. What is resveratrol? I need to up my fish oil and Mg. Thanks :)

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 20, 2011
at 05:02 PM

I'm sorry, Dr.K, my answer was to the main comment, which I took as it wasn't even worth it to try with supplements, if she can't change the diet. I agree with you.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 20, 2011
at 05:00 PM

she's been trying! It's not easy. She is down to like five light smokes a day, but she is unable to quit. She's been smoking for about 55 years... It's quite an addiction.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 03:51 PM

I am saying statements with never or always in it are harbingers of dogam heading right after it......diet plays a huge role.....but if you have six decades of it you need diet changes and whole lot more to turn that air craft carrier around.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 20, 2011
at 03:21 PM

Really? So I should just leave my Mom to her bad diet that she's been on for over six decades? Doing a bit is better than nothing.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 03:14 PM

the use of never and always should always be a stop sign before one posts.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 03:14 PM

This is a horrendous answer to me.........

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 20, 2011
at 02:28 PM

what is "molecularly distilled" fish oil?

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 20, 2011
at 02:28 PM

taking sandwiches to work is the easiest for her, and it's hard to break a decades-long habit. She eats some veggies, but uses oils and can't afford olive oil or similar. Oh, and she keeps on using margarine... :(

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 16, 2011
at 06:34 AM

By the importance

  1. Vitamin C, 3x2 - 3x4g (she smokes, absorption is reduced in her age, she needs it for tendon strength and eye health)
  2. CoQ10, 100mg (she doesn't make it any more)
  3. Vitamin D3, 5000 IU (she is probably more indors)
  4. Mg, 600 mg (everybody is deficient)
  5. Multivitamin with 50mg vitamin B complex (to cover all bases, B for potential neurological problems)
  6. Fish oil (2g DHA/EPA) to reduce inflammation and depression
  7. K2 Mq7 100mcg because she is in menopause.
  8. Pircetam (to boost brain, prevent dementia and as anti-aging)

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Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on March 20, 2011
at 04:34 PM

You mention that your mother has eye problems and a history of cataracts, so I think that she would certainly benefit from supplementing lutein and zeaxanthin. These carotenoids are essential for eye health, and have been shown to prevent cataracts and (in some cases even improve) age related macular degeneration (the most common cause of loss of eyesight/sight impairment as people age). Lutein and zeaxanthin should be consumed with fat for proper absorption, and are found mainly in green vegetables like kale, spinach and turnip greens, and to a lesser extent in egg yolks (smaller quantities but more bioavailable due to the fat, but quality also dependent on the chicken's diet). Maybe your mother could start taking egg and spinach sandwiches into work, or having cheese and spinach omlettes for supper. Benefits start with 6mg lutein and zeaxanthin per day.

You also mention that she suffers from muscle and joint pain. Ray Peat has an excellent article on the benefits of gelatin for anti-inflammation/relief of joint pain here: http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/gelatin.shtml

I suggest that she start supplementing her diet with gelatin, to the tune of 2-6 tbsps per day. Ideally this would come through nutrient rich bone broths, but more realistically you could buy a large tub of cheap, unflavoured gelatin and simply stir the odd spoonful into hot drinks, soups, stews, e.t.c. You can also buy hydrolysed gelatin, which will disolve in cold liquids and won't set.

Also, if her general diet is poor then a multivitamin might also be in order.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 20, 2011
at 05:07 PM

Thanks! She likes chicken soup, so at least that's good. I will suggest her to eat more gelatin in some form.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:37 PM

Fish oil is huge for macular degeneration and cataract reversal. I just read an article about it http://archopht.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archophthalmol.2011.34

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8f4ff12a53a98f3b5814cfe242de0daa

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on March 20, 2011
at 03:25 PM

If she is still smoking work on convincing her to quit.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 20, 2011
at 05:00 PM

she's been trying! It's not easy. She is down to like five light smokes a day, but she is unable to quit. She's been smoking for about 55 years... It's quite an addiction.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 20, 2012
at 09:06 PM

Yeah, my mom quit with sunflower seeds the old-fashioned way- she still swears it works better than the patch or any of the other medications she tried. They also have those mechanical cigarettes now, to help with the oral fixation.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 03:20 PM

If youre on a SAD and your young......Ie below 35 I will give you a taste of what I would do if I could turn back time. Speaking mostly of supplements of course

  1. Fish Oil......6000-10000 mgs of high quality oligo DHA oil.
  2. Keep my Vitamin D level 70-100 with D3
  3. 1200 mgs of Mg a day 400 q Am and 800mg q PM
  4. As much resveratrol as I could afford.
  5. I would eat tumeric on every meal.....no matter what
  6. I would drink 1.5 liters of steeped green tea to get rid of the caffeine
  7. Manage blood insulin levels with blood insulin testing. Eat to avoid insulin.

You do this 80% of the time from 10 yrs old to 35 and you will be an a test case for longevity

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Momma will need more......but to get to her she needs a to have the hood opened and see whatis wrong with her ferrari.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 20, 2011
at 05:05 PM

But what about my Mom who is 65 years old? I will take your advice for myself, as I am 34, so about that age to still have a chance to switch things around. What is resveratrol? I need to up my fish oil and Mg. Thanks :)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 05:44 PM

Cant Hack that on the net. Find a local doc and assess his acumen. You can do it by asking the right probing questions. I love patients with questions. Because I know they want to change.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 21, 2011
at 01:03 AM

yes, I want her to go to a doctor, but b/c of her work it's very difficult. She's working up to 11h a day and cannot take a day off. it's horrible :(

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on October 16, 2011
at 10:14 PM

Quilt, what do you mean by, "I would drink 1.5 liters of steeped green tea to get rid of the caffeine." That statement doesn't make sense.

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on March 20, 2011
at 02:19 PM

Not an answer specifically to your question (sorry), but even if she won't increase red meat, can you see about persuading her to cut down at least on the big 3 - HFCS, Omega-6 oils, and gluten? Maybe see if she'll increase her omega-3 fish and green veg? At least those factors she'll find some support for even in the MSM. Those will have much more effect than supplements.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 20, 2011
at 02:28 PM

taking sandwiches to work is the easiest for her, and it's hard to break a decades-long habit. She eats some veggies, but uses oils and can't afford olive oil or similar. Oh, and she keeps on using margarine... :(

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C6395b675eb093a900055bc16eed2225

on March 20, 2011
at 02:00 PM

Vitamin D, Omega-3, Digestive aids is what I take. I do however have Mark Sissons Damage Control Master Formula for when I need some extra or know I can't eat well for a few days. It's the best supplement I have taken.

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on June 03, 2011
at 02:42 AM

Really youve felt a huge difference with damage control?

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on October 16, 2011
at 02:01 AM

I work in an optometrist (eye doctor) office. Dust, wind, and UV sunlight are associated with pinguecula and ptergyium (similar to the pinguecula) but grow further in. Sunglasses outdoors are the recommendation. I see them frequently in patients who live near the equator and tropics (who don't wear sunglasses). I don't know of any dietary intervention but an anti-inflammatory diet can only help - it certainly won't hurt. People take steroid eyedrops for temporary flares.

For eye conditions like macular degeneration and cataracts a Paleo diet is great! High lutein and zeaxanthin pigments are found in eggs, and green leafy veggies (esp.kale and spinach) and sweet potatoes are associated with lower AMD and dementia. Supplementation even helps those on SAD but Paleo is far superior. These pigments are found in the brain and decline with age unless people eat Paleo-like. Also fish oil and good omega 3 balance helps with AMD (age-related macular degeneration).

Cataracts come at an earlier age and are more severe in diabetics and those eyes exposed to a lot of sunlight and UV (again more common in the tropics and equator). A Paleo diet keeps blood sugars stable so perhaps many Paleos will delay, if not prevent cataracts. I recommend sunglasses to everyone outdoors including bright winter days when the sun can reflect off the snow and cause snow blindness (that's why skiers wear sunglasses)!

For more Paleo hacks: http://paleohacks.com/questions/70118/what-nutrients-supplements-are-needed-for-great-eye-health#ixzz1auGCAoTF

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0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

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on March 20, 2011
at 02:41 PM

Fish oil and sunlight but supplements are NEVER an answer to a poor diet as taking too much of one vit/min leads to a problem with another.

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

sorry for the typos-

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 03:14 PM

This is a horrendous answer to me.........

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 03:51 PM

I am saying statements with never or always in it are harbingers of dogam heading right after it......diet plays a huge role.....but if you have six decades of it you need diet changes and whole lot more to turn that air craft carrier around.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 20, 2011
at 03:14 PM

the use of never and always should always be a stop sign before one posts.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 20, 2011
at 05:02 PM

I'm sorry, Dr.K, my answer was to the main comment, which I took as it wasn't even worth it to try with supplements, if she can't change the diet. I agree with you.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 20, 2011
at 03:21 PM

Really? So I should just leave my Mom to her bad diet that she's been on for over six decades? Doing a bit is better than nothing.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 21, 2011
at 07:35 PM

I am trying to find the best way to help my Mom in the circumstances. I am not close to her, I can't cook for her or have her over to eat my things. I can't even talk to her too often. I want to help, but I am realistic and know that it's not easy to convince her, especially that I don't want to be disrespectful and patronizing to my own Mother.

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:59 PM

I'm sorry I said the never word I will never stop saying never to something as cheap as taking supplimentys with the idea that I am getting heal;thy by them. I stand by my answer I will never tell anyone to eat crap and take a piull. Sorry

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 21, 2012
at 12:40 AM

"Mom's! So cheap, always cutting corners! Why bother trying to help them?? They are so bad at changing their habits after years, who needs 'em!"-what that post sounds like. Don't you think it would do her good to correct some of the deficiencies she probably has, especially given she's a smoker? Even following primal/paleo I think most smokers would benefit from additional supplementation. It's not a long-term ideal solution, but isn't that better than nothing? Like, for example, vitamin C? What with uptake decreased and all.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 21, 2012
at 12:42 AM

Even if she ate paleo/primal the eyes, smoking, depression, and menopause would make me think she might need to supplement anyways, you know.

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on March 20, 2011
at 02:26 PM

D3, a multivitamin, and molecularly distilled fish oil.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 20, 2011
at 02:28 PM

what is "molecularly distilled" fish oil?

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on March 22, 2011
at 04:45 PM

If life was that easy, supplements would be the main stay and it would not be called supplements. Supps are not the easy answer just and easy excuse.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 20, 2012
at 09:12 PM

Yes, to hell with mothers that can't change their diets overnight! Who needs 'em!! They are so lazy, always with the easy answers those mothers. 'If they would rather die,' said Scrooge, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

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