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SUPPLEMENT ADDICTION: Is there such a thing as Over-Supplementing?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 04, 2011 at 2:07 PM

I may be addicted to supplements. Here is what I'm currently taking: FYI (I don't eat enough vegetables)

Daily Multivitamin Triple Strength Fish Oil 1400mg (1000 omegas) 3x Daily Zinc (50 mg, For Pimples) B-Complex plus C Vitamin D (5,000 IU, When I am not getting sunlight) Calcium (I eat no dairy) Probiotic (Capsule, 20 Billion Live Bacteria) Is this necessary? Vitamin E

I also take a caffeinated pre-workout, BCAA powder when training fasted, and drink whey/creatine an hour post-workout.

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on June 05, 2011
at 03:57 AM

Good answer, Meredith. I was thinking that supplements are about the priciest things you can buy by the pound. That's one reason I use them sparingly or look for bulk options.

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on June 05, 2011
at 03:09 AM

Macadamias and hazelnuts are high in vitamin E, and low in omega 6.

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on June 04, 2011
at 10:51 PM

Pacific Pastures produces a cheap grass-fed ground beef - see if it's available at a store in your area. I just bought some at about $5 a pound. Also got some VERY fresh lamb kidney (I watched them slice it off the carcass!) for $2/lb or less.

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on June 04, 2011
at 10:44 PM

@Dave - "grains" is a term for the kefir 'mother' - no relation to any cereal. The bacterial culture condenses into grain-like balls and it looks sort of like cottage cheese left in the strainer after pouring off a batch. These grains are then used to start the next batch. BTW the store bought and powdered kefirs lack the bacteria that build the grains so it tends to be creamier - but I suspect (pure speculation!) it's just those bacteria that help protect the culture as it passes into the gut.

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on June 04, 2011
at 10:34 PM

I just ordered some bulk powdered rose hips for Vit C - will see how it tastes on my morning eggs...

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on June 04, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Yeah - have you had fresh home-made sauerkraut? I could definitely eat it every day! Actually I have a batch I'll 'decant' in the next day or two - I'm already salivating over the prospect! And the home made kefir is so much stronger and alive. Actually keeping these going in my kitchen feels sort of like farming - and it's fun! @Mei-ling - just keep the thyroid impact in mind since even fermented cabbage can suppress activity over time. Also supresses breast milk, if that's ever an issue...

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on June 04, 2011
at 04:25 PM

uuh.. I eat sauerkraut every day. AND kefir milk. So much awesome..

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on June 04, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Cannot afford grass-fed. 24 years old with college loans. Can't eat oysters more than rarely either. Try to stay away from nuts because of omega 6.

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on June 04, 2011
at 04:17 PM

I would but it gets so expensive. I'm only 24 and I eat pretty clean and work out. Not sure an extra pill is worth it.

Beaafe23c50e311a8c0ea96728abf398

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on June 04, 2011
at 04:17 PM

Don't do dairy because of acne. Won't touch grains. Who would seriously eat sauerkraut every day?

Beaafe23c50e311a8c0ea96728abf398

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on June 04, 2011
at 04:14 PM

Can't afford to eat fish or oysters all the time.

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on June 04, 2011
at 03:50 PM

I love kefir. It's especially helpful after a round of antibiotics has messed with the gut.

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on June 04, 2011
at 03:39 PM

I forgot to mention sauerkraut! It's easy, yummy and probiotic. The only concern would be if you are hypothyroidic - uncooked Brassicas (cabbage, kale, broccoli etc) can be mildly goitergenic if eaten regularly - but probably still fine as an occasional treat.

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7f7069fc4d8d2456cec509d0f9e9bb34

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on June 04, 2011
at 02:48 PM

That is not ridiculous, really. Just make sure that all of them are of high quality and are of the proper delivery system for absorbtion. But from your post they all semm prophalactic. You could get a hair test or something and see what really is deficient or excess and dial it in more. There is probably an alternative healthcare provider in your area that offers this: maybe $100 at most and surprisingly accurate. Or just go on reading the internet and buying supplements and seeing how you feel. I have done both.

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Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 04, 2011
at 03:32 PM

How strict on the dairy? Kefir is a fantastic probiotic AND Calcium source, and most of the lactose is fermented away, so it's its low-carb and ok for many who are intolerant.

If you make your own from the 'grains' it's more actively alive than any pills you can take, with a much greater variety of bacterial species.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 04, 2011
at 03:39 PM

I forgot to mention sauerkraut! It's easy, yummy and probiotic. The only concern would be if you are hypothyroidic - uncooked Brassicas (cabbage, kale, broccoli etc) can be mildly goitergenic if eaten regularly - but probably still fine as an occasional treat.

Beaafe23c50e311a8c0ea96728abf398

(418)

on June 04, 2011
at 04:17 PM

Don't do dairy because of acne. Won't touch grains. Who would seriously eat sauerkraut every day?

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 04, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Yeah - have you had fresh home-made sauerkraut? I could definitely eat it every day! Actually I have a batch I'll 'decant' in the next day or two - I'm already salivating over the prospect! And the home made kefir is so much stronger and alive. Actually keeping these going in my kitchen feels sort of like farming - and it's fun! @Mei-ling - just keep the thyroid impact in mind since even fermented cabbage can suppress activity over time. Also supresses breast milk, if that's ever an issue...

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

(341)

on June 04, 2011
at 04:25 PM

uuh.. I eat sauerkraut every day. AND kefir milk. So much awesome..

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 04, 2011
at 03:50 PM

I love kefir. It's especially helpful after a round of antibiotics has messed with the gut.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 04, 2011
at 10:44 PM

@Dave - "grains" is a term for the kefir 'mother' - no relation to any cereal. The bacterial culture condenses into grain-like balls and it looks sort of like cottage cheese left in the strainer after pouring off a batch. These grains are then used to start the next batch. BTW the store bought and powdered kefirs lack the bacteria that build the grains so it tends to be creamier - but I suspect (pure speculation!) it's just those bacteria that help protect the culture as it passes into the gut.

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on June 04, 2011
at 04:06 PM

Taking zinc like that will almost certainly lead to a copper deficiency. Try eating oysters in the morning or at night, away from your sources of copper (meat, organs). The probiotic is probably unnecessary, as is the fish oil if you eat a lot of grass-fed red meat. If you're eating nuts, olive oil or avocado, you probably don't need the vitamin E.

Beaafe23c50e311a8c0ea96728abf398

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on June 04, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Cannot afford grass-fed. 24 years old with college loans. Can't eat oysters more than rarely either. Try to stay away from nuts because of omega 6.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 04, 2011
at 10:51 PM

Pacific Pastures produces a cheap grass-fed ground beef - see if it's available at a store in your area. I just bought some at about $5 a pound. Also got some VERY fresh lamb kidney (I watched them slice it off the carcass!) for $2/lb or less.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on June 05, 2011
at 03:09 AM

Macadamias and hazelnuts are high in vitamin E, and low in omega 6.

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on June 04, 2011
at 02:59 PM

Don't supplement what you can get from food with a reasonable effort.

Zinc - Oysters or calves liver, Calcium - bone broth, Fish oil - fish!

The three above have track records of possibly causing harm in some cases.

Probiotic - fermented foods along with some oligofructose containing food.

Vit C over supplementation is hard to do due to the laxative effect. I supplement this and D myself, but only because I know I don't get enough C unless I eat a lot of fruit and that upsets my stomach. I also tested low for D

Beaafe23c50e311a8c0ea96728abf398

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on June 04, 2011
at 04:14 PM

Can't afford to eat fish or oysters all the time.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 04, 2011
at 10:34 PM

I just ordered some bulk powdered rose hips for Vit C - will see how it tastes on my morning eggs...

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on June 04, 2011
at 11:15 PM

Addiction? Like you're physically addicted to them? IF so, then you must re-evalute what you are taking for sure.

Maybe it's more like "Supplement Neurosis". I myself suffer from this very condition. It manifests like this: First, I listen to a Robb Wolfe podcast or read a new article on Mark's Daily Apple or something in which they talk about a study (or some such thing) in which it was discovered that modern people are drastically deficient in "such and such" which causes obesity, acne, unattractiveness and general lack of cool factor. Next, I run out and buy a crap load of "such and such" and take it morning noon and night until one day I forget what the heck I was taking it for (hmmmm maybe some Gingko Biloba?). I stop taking it and by that time I am on to something else.

I guess what I am saying is sure, cover your bases with some basics, stay paleo (which should reduce your need for mongo antioxidants anyway), save some of the $$ you are spending on pills and buy some good food.

Some guy I was listening to on a podcast once said (I can't remember who or when - so I am going to get some Gingko for sure now), "Supplements are the most refined food you can get."

PS Most of the ingredients come from China anyway - and we won't even let our kids play with toys made there!!!!

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 05, 2011
at 03:57 AM

Good answer, Meredith. I was thinking that supplements are about the priciest things you can buy by the pound. That's one reason I use them sparingly or look for bulk options.

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on June 04, 2011
at 03:55 PM

I would go easy on calcium. Most basic blood tests include serum calcium levels. So if you have a doc, you would have the result. Check that and supplement accordingly. No reason to be "high normal" in calcium.

You're doing almost a full tablespoon of fish oil. I would say that's okay but I would reference some new research if you think you've gotten your inflammation under control.

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on June 04, 2011
at 02:39 PM

I think you need more fish oil. 4,000 - 6,000mg/day.

Beaafe23c50e311a8c0ea96728abf398

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on June 04, 2011
at 04:17 PM

I would but it gets so expensive. I'm only 24 and I eat pretty clean and work out. Not sure an extra pill is worth it.

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on June 05, 2011
at 07:14 AM

I would look at your B vitamin levels. Why are you taking both multivitamins and also a special B complex? Do you know your B levels? Any particular reason? Those who start multivatmins are usually in their 40s and 50s, and want to strenghten their immune/nerve functions. Not that you shouldn't take them if have the need. But what are you thinking when you're supp'ing with both a multivitamin and B complex?

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