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Source for Paleo BCAAs for Fasted Training (Leangains)

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 14, 2011 at 12:53 AM

Does anyone know of a source of Paleo friendly BCAAs? A product without artificial colors or flavors, etc.

I need a good source, doesn't have to be flavored. I plan to weight train fasted and via Leangains.

I live in the U.S. and need a site that ships there.

1dd1d4bde5b46b4c90efeadea3a96a75

(180)

on June 13, 2013
at 06:27 PM

Says sucralose and artificial flavors...

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

(5145)

on June 06, 2012
at 06:57 PM

Squeeze some lemon juice in and mix the powder with this before adding water. It'll mix up nice and smooth.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on June 06, 2012
at 06:13 PM

discontinued :( alternate source?

655d884d3815063d001642a370ef0154

(379)

on May 10, 2011
at 05:02 AM

WTF? With all due respect, I find this kind of a bizarre and patronizing answer. What does someone's age have to do with whether or not they ought to train fasted and/or take BCAAs? I'm 21 and I do both — because it feels damn good and I'm making faster gains. I also eat clean and work out hard, and "enjoy being young." Though I don't "experiment" with pizza and beer (why the hell would anyone do that?). But anyways, what does any of this have to do with the original question? Sorry to make a whole comment negative, but the fact that this was the top vote-getter is confusing.

4d10a09dadeb266681418f5fe06c3f00

(115)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:44 PM

I've been playing around with coffee pre-workout and it's awesome. It has helped my energy while fasted immensely. The only problem for me is that I have to wake up at 4am for work and don't get home til 4:30-5pm or so. Coffee after about 4pm messes with my sleep :( I do the pre-workout coffee on days that I won't necessarily have to wake up super early now, so my nights of sleep go well

0af5141b9bf02636479702c9b41e23bd

(30)

on January 21, 2011
at 01:16 AM

Yeah its hard to tell really...I dont FEEL any different but my body recomp is going better and leaning out quickly with this IF Lean Gains approach. I think its more to NOT lose muscle then anything. Last cut I did was 40lbs in 3 months with 90% of that being fat. That was Xtend.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on January 15, 2011
at 10:28 PM

@Max Renn, I don't disagree that experimentation when young is a good thing and reinforces my point that a 21 year old shouldn't worry about IF'ing and costly BCAAs. He/she should do what feels natural and not worry so much. That might mean exerimenting with a pizza and a 12 pack of beer. Like you say. He's young and can recover, and maybe he had some fun somewhere.

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on January 15, 2011
at 09:02 PM

Being young is not special when it comes to health. (That's why we no longer talk about "adult-onset diabetes.") Though it's certainly true that whole foods far outweigh anything else, there's nothing wrong with experimenting. In fact, experimenting when you're young is ideal—you can recover from your mistakes. Maybe that's why the strongest hallucinogens were often reserved for coming-of-age rituals.

Cb2415c2aef964ab499a09dc92ae7e01

(783)

on January 14, 2011
at 03:06 PM

I'll have to try these. I have used their whey and egg white powders and both are excellent.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on January 14, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Hey frank, did you feel that BCAA pils had a good effect, like what I've heard regarding the powders? Course on LG I've read positive things about purple wraath, and on Tnation I've read about Xtend. Never heard reviews about pills though. Thanks.

5ad1c5e83d71e9d83942df6c6f0c4b6a

on January 14, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Could you tell a difference between the two?

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4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on January 15, 2011
at 02:42 PM

I used BCAA's pre workout previously when training fasted. I noticed two things, a little more energy for the workout, and then less DOMS(soreness) on subsequent days.

Not wanting to continue buying powders, I had two choices. Eat before, or eat after.

Eating before left me weaker, blood had to go to my stomach etc to help digest food, not going to work.

Eating after left me a little drained in the workout but by eating steak or eggs after working out I was getting the BCAAs afterwards.

Simple solution: Caffeine. A cup of green tea or coffee pre workout gave me the boost and endurance. Then the meat after gave me the BCAAs.

No more need for expensive powders!

4d10a09dadeb266681418f5fe06c3f00

(115)

on April 25, 2011
at 07:44 PM

I've been playing around with coffee pre-workout and it's awesome. It has helped my energy while fasted immensely. The only problem for me is that I have to wake up at 4am for work and don't get home til 4:30-5pm or so. Coffee after about 4pm messes with my sleep :( I do the pre-workout coffee on days that I won't necessarily have to wake up super early now, so my nights of sleep go well

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072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on January 15, 2011
at 04:08 AM

At 21 years of age, sir, I would suggest eating clean food and working out hard. Your body will take care of the rest and tell you when to eat and how much. If you lift heavy things and eat when your body says to, you will grow and be lean. Enjoy being young and don't worry so much about IF and BCAAs. Spend your money on being young and having some fun.

Medium avatar

(207)

on January 15, 2011
at 09:02 PM

Being young is not special when it comes to health. (That's why we no longer talk about "adult-onset diabetes.") Though it's certainly true that whole foods far outweigh anything else, there's nothing wrong with experimenting. In fact, experimenting when you're young is ideal—you can recover from your mistakes. Maybe that's why the strongest hallucinogens were often reserved for coming-of-age rituals.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on January 15, 2011
at 10:28 PM

@Max Renn, I don't disagree that experimentation when young is a good thing and reinforces my point that a 21 year old shouldn't worry about IF'ing and costly BCAAs. He/she should do what feels natural and not worry so much. That might mean exerimenting with a pizza and a 12 pack of beer. Like you say. He's young and can recover, and maybe he had some fun somewhere.

655d884d3815063d001642a370ef0154

(379)

on May 10, 2011
at 05:02 AM

WTF? With all due respect, I find this kind of a bizarre and patronizing answer. What does someone's age have to do with whether or not they ought to train fasted and/or take BCAAs? I'm 21 and I do both — because it feels damn good and I'm making faster gains. I also eat clean and work out hard, and "enjoy being young." Though I don't "experiment" with pizza and beer (why the hell would anyone do that?). But anyways, what does any of this have to do with the original question? Sorry to make a whole comment negative, but the fact that this was the top vote-getter is confusing.

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B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

on January 15, 2011
at 02:09 PM

http://www.vitaglo.com/213.html is a link to the NOW BCAA powder. at vitaglo.com

it is just BCAA powder, nothing else.

avoid all sweeteners!

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Medium avatar

on January 14, 2011
at 12:00 PM

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mrm/bcaag.html

This is what you want. I can't believe how pleasant it is to drink. No artificial sweeteners/colors.

Cb2415c2aef964ab499a09dc92ae7e01

(783)

on January 14, 2011
at 03:06 PM

I'll have to try these. I have used their whey and egg white powders and both are excellent.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on June 06, 2012
at 06:13 PM

discontinued :( alternate source?

1dd1d4bde5b46b4c90efeadea3a96a75

(180)

on June 13, 2013
at 06:27 PM

Says sucralose and artificial flavors...

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on June 06, 2012
at 06:03 PM

I'm using Optimum Nutrition BCAA powder, unflavored variety from bodybuilding.com.

Right now I'm mixing 1tsp (5.75g) in water pre workout. I am also taking the same post workout + an additional 5g of powdered l-glutamine.

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on June 06, 2012
at 04:58 PM

This site says that the whites from 2 hard boiled eggs will give you 8-10 grams of high quality proteins, including BCAAs:

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2011/12/protein-powders-before-fasted-weight.html

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F12f26f2bb71a5d347755ccfda31c4e3

on February 19, 2012
at 04:29 PM

I think, you should try with and without bcaa fasted training for longer period, because it is stated that fasted preserves muscles and increase insulin sensitivity. And even bcaa ingested martin states as still fasting, I don't think so it is because bcaa is easaly converted to glucose. I tried with and with out it, I felt better without it. If body doesn't have food just this synthetic "shit" , than it will use to rebuild its body not only muscle, but other tissues with this incomplete protein, lacking vitamins and minerals food. Rather than using its stored vitamins, damaged cells for rebuild and leave healthy body. Moreover 16 hours is not truly fasting, but exercising on empty stomach could put you in more real fasting state and increase growth hormone to burn fat. Still after couple hours you won't get catabolic to lose muscle. And food will become more anabolic when you will ingest it. If you are natural bodybuilder, calories and macro nutrients count at the end of the day, not so much time, just for very big guys small details matter. Think also about ancestors they would wait for some animal fasted, than hunt it down (exercise) than bring home (forcex. cave) and cook it and eat it. so from hunting and coming home still fasted. And there women would have brought fruits and tubers, plus cooked lean meats. That's my opinion :) If you can't increase weight with bcaa during lifts, and you down gain muscle than try bcaa, martin always says to build lean muscle it is slow process, so with or without it will be slow. It is called lean!!! gains after all., lean muscle gain is always slow. Again and again it is just my opinion ;) Sorry about my English language, I know it is rubbish and I have total respect to Martin :)

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Beverly International. Comes from free range grass fed no antibiotic sources. Purity can be an iisue with bcaas. I believe they were tested at 105%. I do leangains. Fasted training and am at 7% BF. Feel like an animal fasted and using pre and post wo.

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4b04aa41bae2167cf59b7b66b42aabce

on May 10, 2011
at 04:35 AM

Honestly, I used to use Whey, not I use BCAAs called Amino Max. It's cost effective, but artificial. Why not do what I do on occasion, and drink liquid egg whites instead?

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Af911f43c32fd97fc74d43d26a6ef996

on January 15, 2011
at 10:25 PM

Protein Factory is a good deal. I use this protein powder: http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=43&cat=0&page=1 which mixes easily, has 7 g BCAA, so to fit LG's protocol, a couple scoops works, and it's not torture to eat, which matters to me. But is it Paleo? Dunno.

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D38c0cc994b194de08289e0fe3f99d1e

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on January 15, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Try VitaCost.com; contrary to the earlier post, their private label BCAA powder (NSI) is an excellent product at a good price, and it has no added flavorings. I mix it with a glass of water or a little heavy cream and it works just fine.

Also, I have read through the LeanGains protocol, and I agree that supplementing with BCAAs prior to fasted workouts makes good sense. Post workout, once you've consumed protein, you are probably wasting your money if you take it.

Good luck!

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5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on January 15, 2011
at 01:58 PM

Go to iherb.com and search for BCAA. Lots to choose from. Use coupon code IJO200 for a 5% discount on your purchase.

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on January 15, 2011
at 12:09 AM

I think the NOW brand has no extra shit. Just the pure BCAA's.

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50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on January 14, 2011
at 06:11 PM

I have tried 3 types of BCAA's

The first was Vitacost.com's brand NSI - Tastes was neutral and not exciting. Could not get it to mix, at all! terrible.

The second was Purple Wraath - The first time I used it was fine. Second and Third time was horrible. It felt like I was on fire from the inside out. I believe it was the Niacin & Beta Alanine in it.

The third one was Xtend - Cheaper than the wraath, plus does not have the niacin, beta alanine. If I was to buy again, I would get Xtend. But, I'm bothered by the sugar substitue, so I'm not sure I will purchase again.

Hope that helps.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

(5145)

on June 06, 2012
at 06:57 PM

Squeeze some lemon juice in and mix the powder with this before adding water. It'll mix up nice and smooth.

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9d741bcbe702044635f2ce3078043054

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on January 14, 2011
at 02:37 AM

GNC has an unflavored one as well. I bought the grape flavored Vitamin Shoppe version (Modern BCAA brand) after it ran out. Big mistake. It doesn't mix well, and it has way too much artificial sweetener.

The unflavored stuff tastes pretty awful. The flavored stuff tastes only marginally better, but there's so much sweetener that you're left very dry mouthed for a couple hours afterwards. Not good when Leangains recommends a pre-workout dose.

I'm going back to GNC. For some reason it mixed into water much more easily than the Modern BCAA brand.

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2b8c327d1296a96ad64cdadc7dffa72d

on January 14, 2011
at 01:17 AM

Vitamin Shoppe carries several brands - I prefer the powder so I can mix in what I like. Powder is bitter, so I add some stevia to take the edge off.

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0af5141b9bf02636479702c9b41e23bd

on January 14, 2011
at 01:06 AM

I use bodybuilding.com I do Leangains style IF with BCAAs and have tried both Xtend which has flavor and artificial sweetners and have also tried DNA which is a pill form with no additives.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/magnum/dna.html

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on January 14, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Hey frank, did you feel that BCAA pils had a good effect, like what I've heard regarding the powders? Course on LG I've read positive things about purple wraath, and on Tnation I've read about Xtend. Never heard reviews about pills though. Thanks.

5ad1c5e83d71e9d83942df6c6f0c4b6a

on January 14, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Could you tell a difference between the two?

0af5141b9bf02636479702c9b41e23bd

(30)

on January 21, 2011
at 01:16 AM

Yeah its hard to tell really...I dont FEEL any different but my body recomp is going better and leaning out quickly with this IF Lean Gains approach. I think its more to NOT lose muscle then anything. Last cut I did was 40lbs in 3 months with 90% of that being fat. That was Xtend.

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Aa1d5fbb9d8051538161c9a03afd384e

on January 15, 2011
at 09:26 AM

I've been turning the same over in my head for a long time...

I think it's obvious that consuming any source or BCAA previous fasted training would prevent excessive muscle loss, but from an anthropological point of view: Where would our ancestors get that source of BCAA? Eating some meet of course... but then all the attributed benefits of the fasted training just disappear.

I would really like to hear other peoples opinion on this topic.

Anyway, as i've seen in many post, the generalized consensus always refers to any one of this:

Purple Wraath: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/purple.html

Xtend: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sv/xtend.html

As far as I'm concerned, if I had to take this kind of supplements I think I would take this one: http://www.bullsportnutrition.com/anti-catabol.php

INGREDIENTS: BCAA???s complex (L-Leucine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine, L-Glutamine), natural flavors, citric acid.

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