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IF vs. supplements that need food

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 27, 2011 at 1:20 AM

I'll ask the Varsity Paleos not to turn up their noses, here...

IF is touted as being "the way to go" along with Paleo. I have never yet been able to do it. The problem is me, I know, not IF. If I could manage it, even Fast-5, I think it would help me get off the few-days-virtuous-one-day-sugar-hit roller coaster I'm on.

Part of the problem is a list of supplements I take to avoid having to deal with the Drug Lords down the line. (I've dealt with cancer three times, so I take the proactive approach to life at this point.) Taking the supplements without food gives me roaring nausea and pain. My brilliant alternative MD says that taking them every day is what builds up their usefulness.

If I never do IF am I missing most of the boat here? I feel hugely unsuccessful at this point, even though there are stretches of days when I am 100% on it, and I've maintained the weight loss I first managed when starting Primal/Paleo last year.

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on April 27, 2011
at 06:07 PM

So, a type 2 diabetic, such as myself should not IF? I'd like to know why - in detail. I have seen a number of testimonials of T2's using IF and I do it as well (8 hour window, not daily yet, but working up to it). Please explain to me what the problem is. Thanks!

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on April 27, 2011
at 04:28 PM

*chuckle* Shari, I know that the self criticism (polite phrasing "holding myself to too high a standard") is a pervasive stumbling block. You'll have to trust me that I'm far better than I was. Simply put, all of you who are Varsity Paleo are so convincing that it's possible to reach the Health Gold Standard that I get impatient when I fall short.

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on April 27, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Dexter, D3 is only a PART of the regimen! There's cinnamon, garlic, ginger, a"healthy blood sugar" compound, both krill AND fish oil (krill's been found to help menopausally, which they also surgically "did to me" in 2004), lutein, magnesium, a multivitamin/antioxidant daily, a probiotic/yeast fighter, red yeast rice (instead of a statin), CoQ10, turmeric and vitamin C. Yes, it's a lot. But when you've dealt with mastectomies, radiation, hormone stripping, and surgical menopause, you need a lot of help. That and the cancer/sugar connection is why I went primal/paleo in the first place.

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on April 27, 2011
at 02:16 AM

If I never do IF am I missing most of the boat here? Not at all. I have the very same issue and just can't make IF work for me so I dropped it. No big deal. Some do. Some do not. You can still be very successful without the IF.

And speaking of success...I feel hugely unsuccessful at this point, even though there are stretches of days when I am 100% on it, and I've maintained the weight loss I first managed when starting Primal/Paleo last year. You lost weight and have kept it off and are still in the game trying to do better each day? THAT is the definition of success in my book. Do you have any idea how many people never make it as far as you have?? When you are ready you will take it to the next level. IF is no miracle cure for twisted thinking. Check in with you head and figure out what's holding you back. Stop being your own worst enemy. Take the time to figure out what's inside your head that needs reprogramming. But in the mean time, you've done great work. Try to remember that part.

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on April 27, 2011
at 04:28 PM

*chuckle* Shari, I know that the self criticism (polite phrasing "holding myself to too high a standard") is a pervasive stumbling block. You'll have to trust me that I'm far better than I was. Simply put, all of you who are Varsity Paleo are so convincing that it's possible to reach the Health Gold Standard that I get impatient when I fall short.

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on April 27, 2011
at 01:56 AM

IF is absolutely wrong if your leptin resistant and have a huge problem with insulin resistance or eat a diet in foods that cause insulinogenic responses. I have said it on here numerous times.......CONTEXT matters for IF. IF is not for everyone.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on April 27, 2011
at 06:07 PM

So, a type 2 diabetic, such as myself should not IF? I'd like to know why - in detail. I have seen a number of testimonials of T2's using IF and I do it as well (8 hour window, not daily yet, but working up to it). Please explain to me what the problem is. Thanks!

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on April 27, 2011
at 01:40 AM

I'll tell you what we will do. Hijack you to a deserted island and we will bring to you a basket of paleo food almost every day...except that on Tuesday and Friday no boat will arrive. You will then intermittent fast. On fasting days, think desert island.

You have to eat enough fat to be satisfied through your fasting time. You have to have athe deserted island mentality....especially with food all around you.

Regarding your sugar one day hit. I hope you are aware that any sugar you take in feeds any latent cancer you have in your body. Also all carbs are nothing more than sugar molecules strung together to look like a carb. When it breaks down in your gut, it converts directly to various sugars...and feeds cancer. A truly ketogenic diet with zero carbs may be the best way to strengthen your immune system.

A very low carb, high fat, very moderate protein eating plan will sustain you very well. Many of us eat 75-80% fat, 15-20% protein, less than 5% carbs.

Intermittent fasting as well as high intensity interval training does wonders for the body.

Lastly supplementing with Vit D3 increases the immune system and wards off diseases by activating killer T cells to go find an invading organism and kill it.

Think desert island and you will do well. Hang in there.

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on April 27, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Dexter, D3 is only a PART of the regimen! There's cinnamon, garlic, ginger, a"healthy blood sugar" compound, both krill AND fish oil (krill's been found to help menopausally, which they also surgically "did to me" in 2004), lutein, magnesium, a multivitamin/antioxidant daily, a probiotic/yeast fighter, red yeast rice (instead of a statin), CoQ10, turmeric and vitamin C. Yes, it's a lot. But when you've dealt with mastectomies, radiation, hormone stripping, and surgical menopause, you need a lot of help. That and the cancer/sugar connection is why I went primal/paleo in the first place.

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on April 27, 2011
at 02:15 AM

I agree with Dr. K - however there is some overlap between the benefits of IF and protein restriction with regard to cellular autophagy, which would be particularly important for someone in your position. Perhaps protein restriction would work for you?

I will post some links later (am currently using my phone).

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on April 27, 2011
at 01:28 AM

IF is a tool that some people find useful and one that can harm others if used improperly. I'm IF'ing right now on a Leangains style 16/8 window to lean out for summer. It works well IF ALL YOUR DUCKS ARE IN A ROW. i did it for a few months last fall and it was good until it wasn't. that's when we get to situations when you shouldn't be IF'ing. If you have any types of adrenal fatigue, elevated cortisol, or any other number of conditions that put undue stress on the body that goes past being hormetic, you should not be IF'ing. Before i started IF'ing this go around, i made sure that my sleep was in order, my external stress was minimal and my diet was well-rounded. Magnesium citrate has also helped being that insomnia came into play the first time around. Covering all of these bases seemed to have made quite a difference in the experience IF'ing this time around.

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