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De Vany and BCAAs

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Created January 10, 2011 at 11:42 PM

Does anybody know what BCAA supplement Arthur De Vany recommends? In The New Evolution Diet, he suggests taking 15g of one with no sugar or sugar-like ingredients, but I was wondering if anybody knows what specific brand(s) he recommends.

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on January 15, 2011
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@Alan, cheers for the reply. Yknow, before i started lifting seriously and heavy I had a real fear of anything insulin-spiking. Now though I worry much less about that. Im afraid many people share this line of thinking. Course we don't want our insulin surging needlessly all the time, but once one gets back to good health I firmly believe that one can eat much more freely of starchy carbohydrate without excessive insulin-surging, etc. Thanks.

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on January 14, 2011
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Im trying one called DNA now...its a pill version of BCAA's. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/magnum/dna.html

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on January 11, 2011
at 01:55 PM

I also use Xtend but mix it with unflavored BCAAs from Optimum Nutrition. No reason other than to cut the artificial ingredients. Really the whole thing is somewhat artificial so I'm not sure why I do this. It's a bit expensive for me so I only use 10g pre-workout 3x/week.

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on January 11, 2011
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I took 15 grams or 2 scoops of Xtend upon waking. Then another 15 pre workout and another 15 during the workout. So 6 scoops a day of Xtend. Im experimenting with DNA right now which is a pill form of BCAAs and taking 4 pills pre workout and 4 pills post. I was eating between 1800 and 2000 calories Paleo. So my net calories for the day was arouns 1200-1400 after workouts and eating. I went from 210lbs to about 170lbs in 3 months.

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on January 11, 2011
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@Ben, they do produce a bit of insulin but I would imagine this would help the aminos get into the muscle. As you are fasted I can't think anything else can happen, ie, fat storage etc. The BCAA are also used very quickly by the muscles for energy and repair post WO.

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on January 11, 2011
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@Frank, how much BCAA were you taking and how often? What size calorie restriction were you using? Did you continue to train? Sorry for all the questions Frank.. I've just ordered some EAA (essential amino acids) which contain the 3 branch chain aminos as well as a heap of others. Will be interesting to see the difference.

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i dont but id love to know more about the pros and cons of BCAAs. i know leangains is about them in a fasted state preWO. i think ive heard that they provoke a bit of an insulin surge. In any event, id like to see what people say.

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on January 15, 2011
at 02:46 PM

I used BCAA's pre workout previously when training fasted. I noticed two things, a little more energy for the workout, and then less DOMS(soreness) on subsequent days.

Not wanting to continue buying powders, I had two choices. Eat before, or eat after.

Eating before left me weaker, blood had to go to my stomach etc to help digest food, not going to work.

Eating after left me a little drained in the workout but by eating steak or eggs after working out I was getting the BCAAs afterwards.

Simple solution: Caffeine. A cup of green tea or coffee pre workout gave me the boost and endurance. Then the meat after gave me the BCAAs.

No more need for expensive powders!

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on January 11, 2011
at 01:25 AM

I take Xtend brand BCAA's anytime I go more then 4 hrs without protein. Especially in the AM upon waking. I take them pre workout and during workout as well. Ive also tried a brand of BCAA's called DNA which is just a pill. The Xtend has some Splenda type artificial sweetner which I know isnt 100% Paleo...but since its a drink mix...requires something for flavor.

Ive had good results with Xtend in a fasted state ala Lean Gains approach. Just lost close to 40lbs with 90% of that being fat. So it definately helped me keep muscle is a pretty heavy calorie restricted diet.

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on January 11, 2011
at 01:55 PM

I also use Xtend but mix it with unflavored BCAAs from Optimum Nutrition. No reason other than to cut the artificial ingredients. Really the whole thing is somewhat artificial so I'm not sure why I do this. It's a bit expensive for me so I only use 10g pre-workout 3x/week.

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on January 11, 2011
at 06:12 AM

I took 15 grams or 2 scoops of Xtend upon waking. Then another 15 pre workout and another 15 during the workout. So 6 scoops a day of Xtend. Im experimenting with DNA right now which is a pill form of BCAAs and taking 4 pills pre workout and 4 pills post. I was eating between 1800 and 2000 calories Paleo. So my net calories for the day was arouns 1200-1400 after workouts and eating. I went from 210lbs to about 170lbs in 3 months.

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on January 11, 2011
at 03:11 AM

@Frank, how much BCAA were you taking and how often? What size calorie restriction were you using? Did you continue to train? Sorry for all the questions Frank.. I've just ordered some EAA (essential amino acids) which contain the 3 branch chain aminos as well as a heap of others. Will be interesting to see the difference.

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on January 14, 2011
at 01:07 AM

Im trying one called DNA now...its a pill version of BCAA's. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/magnum/dna.html

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on January 15, 2011
at 06:18 PM

I don't know what Art recommends, but if you are looking for somehting with no added flavors/sweetners, I personnaly recommend vitacost.com; their private label (NSI) BCAA powder is a good product at a great price.

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on January 15, 2011
at 01:18 PM

My friend owns a supplement company called Core nutritional and sells a bcaa product called Core ABC. It's got no food coloring and not as much artificial sweetener as most do. It has bcaa's plus beta alinin and citrume malate to help further aid recovery.

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on January 15, 2011
at 12:18 PM

I post an answer on a related question a few hours ago. Source for Paleo BCAAs for Fasted Training (Leangains) http://paleohacks.com/questions/8307/branched-chain-amino-acids-helping-on-a-fast#axzz1B5b1tfzG

I'll quote it just as I gave it. I know it doesn't mention De Vany anywhere but I think it's directly connected with the matter, and maybe it's worth reading it.

I've been turning the same over in my head for a long time...

I think it's obvious that consuming any source or BCAA previous fasted training would prevent excessive muscle loss, but from an anthropological point of view: Where would our ancestors get that source of BCAA? Eating some meet of course... but then all the attributed benefits of the fasted training just disappear.

I would really like to hear other peoples opinion on this topic.

Anyway, as i've seen in many post, the generalized consensus always refers to any one of this:

Purple Wraath: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/purple.html

Xtend: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sv/xtend.html

As far as I'm concerned, if I had to take this kind of supplements I think I would take this one: http://www.bullsportnutrition.com/anti-catabol.php

INGREDIENTS: BCAA’s complex (L-Leucine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine, L-Glutamine), natural flavors, citric acid.

For more Paleo hacks: http://paleohacks.com/questions/18965/source-for-paleo-bcaas-for-fasted-training-leangains#ixzz1B6ZW3Rez

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