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Beef Protein Isolate and/or Egg White Protein

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Created March 15, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Does anyone have any experience with beef protein isolate powder or egg white protein powder? As I mentioned in another post Im trying to stay as close to Paleo as possible for the time being and therefore have dropped whey protein (I know some are okay with whey but I seem to be sensitive to it). Im more interested in the beef protein powder as I already eat alot of eggs. I know some of you might just say eat more meat but Im finding my stomach rebelling against the idea. This morning I woke up hungry, made a big plate of eggs with ground beef and couldnt even stomach more than two bites. I need some variety and shakes allow that variety as I can add other tasty ingredients to the blender than drastically change the taste.

Heres some information I was able to find. Also you can get it at Trueprotein.com for around $10/pound with 28grams of protein per serving. The Trueprotein version can also be made with no additives (their shipping really sucks though, super slow). http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pfac/plasma.html

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Can I ask, how are you sensitive to whey, and if you are sensitive to casein?

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on November 02, 2011
at 03:25 AM

Why is whey the "best" source of BCAA and beneficial for the immune system? It's just whey. It's a waste product of cheese processing.

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on April 07, 2010
at 04:51 PM

I agree. Paleo isn't a religion. It's a way to improve our health.

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on March 16, 2010
at 06:30 PM

Sorry HealthRediscovery, I didnt mean to come across as a jerk. I guess to borrow Robb Wolf's phrase my goal to to maximize how I "look, feel and perform." From everything Ive read white potatoes are not Paleo and are more a "cheat meal." Sweet potatoes also seem to be recommended only if you are pushing your exercise really hard or during an endurance type activity. Opium is also natural but is it good for you?

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on March 16, 2010
at 06:15 AM

If you want to learn more about the role of potatoes in our evolution you may want to start with this series of posts: http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2009/09/primal-potatoes-part-2.html I don't know where you are getting your info on the nutrients in potaoes. According to the USDA database A cup and a half of sweet potatoes will give you your daily value of vitamin C, etc. I really didn't want to get in a potato debate- I was just throwing some possibilities out there for you to avoid eating processed foods. It seems like you are more intent on finding points to win an argument on :(

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at 04:08 AM

Also, unless you are indigenous to the Americas you didnt evolve to eat potatoes so that argument goes out the window. Sweet potatoes are supported by Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson and others but only to boost certain high workout loads or to do an event such as the Crossfit games. And that's sweet potatoes, regular white potatoes are close to being as bad as bread for the insulin spike they cause and as a general garbage food (per almost all Paleo websites) Once again, Dr. Harris quote is apropo

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Also, unless you are indigenous to the Americas you didnt evolve to eat potatoes so that argument goes out the window. Sweet potatoes are supported by Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson and others but only to boost certain high workout loads or to do an event such as the Crossfit games. Once again, I hope Dr. Harris quote is apropos

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...They are extremely poor sources of vitamins (particularly vitamins A, B-group, folic acid and C), minerals, antioxidants and phytosterols. As Dr Harris said "metabolism first, history second." http://www.earth360.com/diet_paleodiet_balzer.html

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Here's a breakdown on potatoes (and beans/grains); · They are all toxic when raw- there is no doubt about this- it is a fact that no competent source would dispute- they can be extremely dangerous and it is important never to eat them raw or undercooked. These toxins include enzyme blockers, lectins and other types. Cooking destroys most but not all of the toxins. Insufficient cooking can lead to sickness such as acute gastroenteritis.They are all rich sources of carbohydrate, and once cooked this is often rapidly digestible-giving a high glycemic index (sugar spike).

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on March 16, 2010
at 03:03 AM

Ryan, since you asked about yolks vs. whites, I asked the question: http://paleohacks.com/questions/2206/egg-whites-throw-them-out Potatoes are a real food. Protein powders are processed foods that lose nutrients when processed- the whole point of paleo is to avoid these kinds of foods and instead to eat real food that we evolved to eat.

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on March 16, 2010
at 12:43 AM

Mark Sisson has a breakdown on protein powders but doesnt include beef isolate. He does recommend whey as the top protein powder (but Mark is not 100% paleo) and seems to suggest egg white powder as a close second. Interesting link, especially since he goes over rice, pea and hemp protein (they dont look too good, Ive taken them all before and never noticed great results). http://www.marksdailyapple.com/whey-egg-white-casein-pea-hemp-rice-protein-powder-supplement/

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on March 15, 2010
at 09:40 PM

Sorry about that one. Could try a whey isolate with less lactose if that's the problem. Or just go all-out and get the good stuff directly, i.e. BCAA/EAA.

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on March 15, 2010
at 08:10 PM

Mikael, I think Ryan mentioned he doesn't digest whey well. I have the same problem (dairy allergy).

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on March 16, 2010
at 03:01 PM

I enjoy IF. I practice it often. I also enjoy a protein drink occasionally. I use an egg white protein powder, as I can't use whey. I don't drink it every day, but there are days when I want to drink a shake instead of eat a meal. I use Jay Robb's egg white protein, throw in a raw pastured egg yolk, and about 5oz of full-fat organic coconut milk. I don't consider it Paleo - I consider it easy/quick protein/fat ingestion for the crazy/busy days. I don't apologize for it. I don't live in Paleo times. I am not perfect in my eating plan, and neither is my life/schedule. That's my reality.

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on April 07, 2010
at 04:51 PM

I agree. Paleo isn't a religion. It's a way to improve our health.

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at 08:08 PM

I feel your pain Ryan. This is a tough one for paleo people

Protein from "beef" often just means "cow"--i.e. not necessarily meat. A lot of cheap protein bars use the collagen from hooves for their protein (seriously). The product you linked says it is made from "beef plasma"--I don't even know what that means. Plus, these are going to the most inexpensive cows they can find, i.e. industrial cattle farms.

The egg albumen protein has the same problem (not come from pastured hens, obviously). But all things being equal I'd rather go with cheap eggs than cow hooves, so I use egg white protein.

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on March 15, 2010
at 08:03 PM

That product says it contains hydrolyzed beef plasma. I Googled that and came up with this: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Help/FAQs_Flavorings/index.asp

Are MSG and hydrolyzed protein related? Yes. MSG is the sodium salt of glutamic acid. Glutamic acid is an amino acid, one of the building blocks of protein. It is found in virtually all food and, in abundance, in food that is high in protein, including meat, poultry, cheeses, and fish. Hydrolyzed proteins, used by the food industry to enhance flavor, are simply proteins that have been chemically broken apart into amino acids. The chemical breakdown of proteins may result in the formation of free glutamate that joins with free sodium to form MSG. In this case, the presence of MSG does not need to be disclosed on labeling. Labeling is required when MSG is added as a direct ingredient.

I don't think that sounds good enough to eat.

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on March 16, 2010
at 12:09 AM

@HealthRediscovery (my GF cleared my cookies so I cant reply to your question), why would you not recommend egg protein powder but youll recommend potatoes? Also why just the egg yolk not the whole egg? These options sound less Paleo than egg protein powder.

@Glenn, thanks I may order some of the egg protein powder and see how it goes. I think I may have a milk allergy like you do so it doesnt matter if something is lactose free, its still a derivative of milk.

@AnnaA, interesting info. Thanks!

@Mikael, I appreciate the suggestion but Im going to try and stay away from dairy derived products for now. Im not totally sold on BCAAs. Theres a thread on Sherdog.com (MMA website) that calls their worth into serious question.

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on March 16, 2010
at 03:03 AM

Ryan, since you asked about yolks vs. whites, I asked the question: http://paleohacks.com/questions/2206/egg-whites-throw-them-out Potatoes are a real food. Protein powders are processed foods that lose nutrients when processed- the whole point of paleo is to avoid these kinds of foods and instead to eat real food that we evolved to eat.

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

(623)

on March 16, 2010
at 04:01 AM

Here's a breakdown on potatoes (and beans/grains); · They are all toxic when raw- there is no doubt about this- it is a fact that no competent source would dispute- they can be extremely dangerous and it is important never to eat them raw or undercooked. These toxins include enzyme blockers, lectins and other types. Cooking destroys most but not all of the toxins. Insufficient cooking can lead to sickness such as acute gastroenteritis.They are all rich sources of carbohydrate, and once cooked this is often rapidly digestible-giving a high glycemic index (sugar spike).

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

(623)

on March 16, 2010
at 06:30 PM

Sorry HealthRediscovery, I didnt mean to come across as a jerk. I guess to borrow Robb Wolf's phrase my goal to to maximize how I "look, feel and perform." From everything Ive read white potatoes are not Paleo and are more a "cheat meal." Sweet potatoes also seem to be recommended only if you are pushing your exercise really hard or during an endurance type activity. Opium is also natural but is it good for you?

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 16, 2010
at 04:08 AM

Also, unless you are indigenous to the Americas you didnt evolve to eat potatoes so that argument goes out the window. Sweet potatoes are supported by Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson and others but only to boost certain high workout loads or to do an event such as the Crossfit games. And that's sweet potatoes, regular white potatoes are close to being as bad as bread for the insulin spike they cause and as a general garbage food (per almost all Paleo websites) Once again, Dr. Harris quote is apropo

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

(623)

on March 16, 2010
at 04:03 AM

...They are extremely poor sources of vitamins (particularly vitamins A, B-group, folic acid and C), minerals, antioxidants and phytosterols. As Dr Harris said "metabolism first, history second." http://www.earth360.com/diet_paleodiet_balzer.html

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 16, 2010
at 12:43 AM

Mark Sisson has a breakdown on protein powders but doesnt include beef isolate. He does recommend whey as the top protein powder (but Mark is not 100% paleo) and seems to suggest egg white powder as a close second. Interesting link, especially since he goes over rice, pea and hemp protein (they dont look too good, Ive taken them all before and never noticed great results). http://www.marksdailyapple.com/whey-egg-white-casein-pea-hemp-rice-protein-powder-supplement/

Eae21abfabb19c4617b2630386994fd9

on March 16, 2010
at 06:15 AM

If you want to learn more about the role of potatoes in our evolution you may want to start with this series of posts: http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2009/09/primal-potatoes-part-2.html I don't know where you are getting your info on the nutrients in potaoes. According to the USDA database A cup and a half of sweet potatoes will give you your daily value of vitamin C, etc. I really didn't want to get in a potato debate- I was just throwing some possibilities out there for you to avoid eating processed foods. It seems like you are more intent on finding points to win an argument on :(

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

(623)

on March 16, 2010
at 04:07 AM

Also, unless you are indigenous to the Americas you didnt evolve to eat potatoes so that argument goes out the window. Sweet potatoes are supported by Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson and others but only to boost certain high workout loads or to do an event such as the Crossfit games. Once again, I hope Dr. Harris quote is apropos

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on October 20, 2013
at 07:07 PM

I don't digest whey protein whatsoever. Carnivor tastes like chocolate cake and digests really well for me. That said, I'm seriously concerned about the quality of the beef in this product. No doubt it's low. As far as bioavailability goes, egg and whey proteins surpass beef. And according to the Bulletproof research, Hydrolyzed collagen is the cream of the crop. Hmmz.

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:08 AM

Olympian Labs sells a beef isolate that works well and tastes fine. (actually tastes pretty good blended with some hazelnut milk or iced coffee) For post workout it works well. I usually fortify my shakes with extra bcaa and glutamine to enhance muscular absorbtion. There are egg white proteins that taste ok too, but if you can make the shake at home just use raw egg whites and keep the yolks for the rare yummy custard treat.

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on July 28, 2011
at 04:52 AM

I've tried the powdered eggs. NO BUENO!!! I got major headaches which put the nail in the coffin of an already disgusting food ritual. The powders, I later found out, have much too much phosphate (or something of the sort) in order to keep the powder from turning into a block. And the smell! No good. This was a mistake. Looking at liquid eggs now.

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on July 07, 2010
at 08:30 PM

egg protein powder is supposed to be a post-workout recovery drink to help you grow muscle, not a meal replacement. eat some food! if you need variety, there's all kinds of fish, turkey, chicken, pork, organ meats (liver, heart, bone marrow)--eggs and ground beef sounds like a disgusting mix, unless you put some onions and peppers and mushrooms.

i love grilled salmon in the morning, with a slice of watermelon, and a salad of grated beets, carrots, celery, lime... other days it's ground white turkey meat. sometimes i'll grill some burgers. eggs only 6 per week.

if you feel sick maybe try eating some fruit first. paleo is not atkins.

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on May 05, 2010
at 09:25 PM

I switched from whey to egg white powder when I transitioned to a strictly paleo diet and I have to say, it tastes horrible. If you couldn't stomach eggs and beef in the morning then this stuff is not going to sit well in your stomach either.

I am going to switch over to eggology liquid eggs once my powder is done, and if you haven't heard of them you can find info at: www.eggology.com . Some bodybuilders swear by their liquid egg whites, and they recently released liquid yolks and liquid whole egg products as well.

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on March 15, 2010
at 10:45 PM

I would generally categorize protein powders as non-paleo junk foods because they are processed in a way that removes their nutrients.

Try throwing raw egg yolk in your shake. Try putting beef in there. Try making scrambled egg yolks, or scrambled duck eggs (big yolk). Add salt and any other spice you like. Try cooking with coconut oil or bacon grease, etc. Other paleo sources of large calories are nuts and potatoes, which may suit you depending on your goals.

Think about reducing your protein intake or holding off to another meal.

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on March 15, 2010
at 08:06 PM

None of them.

Whey is the best source of BCAA (you can also get pure BCAA/EAA), and has proven beneficial for the immune system. You want protein supplements to aid in muscle protein synthesis (= build muscle), and the faster the protein is digested, the better effect it has on muscle gains. You don't use protein powders as meals -- eat your food, don't drink it!

Moreover: eggs and beef, as powder? I hope no chefs heard that...

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on March 15, 2010
at 08:10 PM

Mikael, I think Ryan mentioned he doesn't digest whey well. I have the same problem (dairy allergy).

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on March 15, 2010
at 09:40 PM

Sorry about that one. Could try a whey isolate with less lactose if that's the problem. Or just go all-out and get the good stuff directly, i.e. BCAA/EAA.

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on November 02, 2011
at 03:25 AM

Why is whey the "best" source of BCAA and beneficial for the immune system? It's just whey. It's a waste product of cheese processing.

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:57 PM

Started following the Paleo diet and heard about the Carnivor at a Crossfit Comp. After trying egg protein the beef extract seems to have the best absorption with my body. Hard to believe a beef protein could taste so good. I also like that its hydrolyzed for fast absorption???so its fast like whey but without the dairy. Purchased the Choc Flav -Times and Dosaged Used -1 Scoop in the morning -2 Scoop Pre and Post Workout -Mixed by Shaking w/+12oz water

0 fat, 0 cholesterol, ANRT system. ANRT or Anabolic Nitrogen Retention Technology is a special feature that Recyles Aminos and Minimizes Ammonia. The Bottle itself would describe it better on how this feature works.

I recommend this protein if you're looking for clean gains, or just starting again from being dormant from the gym scene for a while.

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:21 PM

Carnivor! Finally a beef protein that tastes good. The flavor im referring to is chocolate or vanilla caramel ( vanilla caramel) Olympian labs beef protein tastes awful but Carnivor lived up to the hype. This is perfect for people with the O blood type. This is according to peter D'Adamo's diet eat right for your blood type which states that people with the O blood type should avoid whey and casein. Whey tends to make me produce mucus but Ive had no issues with Carnivor and seen great gains from it. I also love that its low carb and the chocolate tastes like swiss miss hot chocolate.

Just a few pros iv seen from the product in comparison to others. No Lactose No FatT( try Finding one That Doesn't Have Fat) Great For Post Workout No Cholesterol Low Carbs Beef Protein Based Builds Solid Muscle

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