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Sunburn/insect resistance?

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Created May 27, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Does anyone find themselves getting bit by mosquitos less, and tanning rather than burning on Paleo? I'm thinking maybe we're not so sweet to the bugs, and William Duffy in Sugar Blues claims less sunburn.

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on July 05, 2012
at 08:35 PM

Almost certainly from Dr Bruce Fife who has written several books on coconut oil checkout the final item in this newsletter http://www.coconutresearchcenter.com/hwnl_6-3.htm Foods and Medications That Raise the Risk of Sunburn and Skin Cancer

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on July 02, 2012
at 07:30 PM

There's plenty of inter tribal warfare between groups of hunter gatherers, and even going way back in our lineage to primates, so I'm not sure that impulse started with grains. The average farmer's work day is much longer than the average hunter too, so I'm not sure there was a surplus of free time.

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on July 02, 2012
at 07:24 PM

I wonder if people who drink a lot of alcohol are more susceptible to mosquito bites because drinking drives down B1 levels pretty dramatically?

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on July 02, 2012
at 07:01 PM

Where did that quote come from? I'd love to cite it.

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on May 28, 2012
at 04:01 PM

That is really neat.

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on May 27, 2012
at 09:45 PM

shea butter is also well know and used in africa as a moderate sun screen and good moisturiser.

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on May 27, 2012
at 09:41 PM

very interesting

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on May 27, 2012
at 03:12 PM

RQ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_quotient

4de2c59d682664a54cfcd4f0979e1115

on May 27, 2012
at 03:11 PM

RQ = respiratory quotient, and it's a ratio of O2:CO2. Burning fat and carbs will yield H2O and CO2. 100% carbs will yield an RQ of 1.00; 100% fat about 0.70 -- so less CO2 exhaled the more fat is being burned. We all burn a mix of carbs and fat, but going ketogenic will shift the RQ downward. Yes, body weight is being lost as CO2, but also as heat and water.

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on May 27, 2012
at 12:41 PM

Veriria, my husband and I do not experience any pore-clogging from all the coconut oil we put on our skin. I think it's because the coconut oil is absorbed and used by our skin.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on May 27, 2012
at 05:22 AM

I also eat tons of garlic, which makes me less tasty to the little creatures.

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on May 27, 2012
at 04:18 AM

That is what I WANT to hear! I like to hang out outside, but hate wearing insect repellent.

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on May 27, 2012
at 04:16 AM

Exhaled CO2 is also, according to one of my professors, how body weight is lost. That is a really interesting scientific explanation. Thank you! What is RQ?

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

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on May 27, 2012
at 04:13 AM

Thanks all for your answers!

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

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on May 27, 2012
at 04:13 AM

I am new to this and still havent been formally introduced to coconut oil. If it smells anything like coconuts, I'll probably like it.

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on May 27, 2012
at 04:10 AM

THAT is AMAZING! (Your tan.) And yes, that is what I learned in school...the connection between complexion and vitamin D. The advent of agriculture was also blamed for war. The hunters now had nothing better to do, essentialy, but raid each others' settlements.

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on May 27, 2012
at 12:55 AM

Dries...Not tries...haha

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

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on May 27, 2012
at 12:53 AM

Coconut oil might help a lot of people, but it is also a known pore-clogging oil as well. I don't personally use it on my skin (or in soap I use or make) because it tries out my skin a LOT.

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on May 27, 2012
at 12:49 AM

Garlic and onion consumption help!

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E7377fab55575690e19f3ee1590778b5

on May 27, 2012
at 03:25 AM

I'm a fair skinned, freckle-prone redhead. I ALWAYS burned. Like blister burned. My skin was essentially bubble wrap after as little as 45 minutes in the sun (and often WITH high SPF.) This happened every year I can remember with the worst burn initially at the onset of summer. Since changing my diet to Paleo - reducing sugar, amping up my vitamin and mineral absorption, etc. I have not burned once AND I have stopped using any sort of SPF. In fact, I spent all day last Sunday outdoors at the GoogaMooga festival in a tank top, without shade, and sans sunscreen. I was in a sea of pale, fair or medium-skinned people with bright pink shoulders and noses yet this redhead was getting golden!

Anyone is free to correct me, but I've heard the dominant theory on why northern Europeans are pale is directly related to the introduction of agriculture replacing an animal-based diet, which provide ample vitamin D. Everyone that left Africa was dark and remained relatively dark-skinned until the advent of farming. True, the northern location itself also played a role partly because northern dwellers receive less daylight, yet the eskimos, equally sun-deprived but with a sea-sourced diet rich in D, remain dark in complexion. The less D in the diet, the more transparent your skin becomes as a mechanism for allowing D from sunlight to penetrate. All this is to ask, in addition to pointing-the-finger at agriculture for a host of western diseases riddling the masses, can we also blame it for race differentiation and the subsequent racism, racial inequality, and the institution of slavery that followed? (Yes, I realize a series of horrible, horrible decisions also contribute to the on-going race struggles, but grains really are the SOURCE of all evil!)

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

(290)

on May 27, 2012
at 04:10 AM

THAT is AMAZING! (Your tan.) And yes, that is what I learned in school...the connection between complexion and vitamin D. The advent of agriculture was also blamed for war. The hunters now had nothing better to do, essentialy, but raid each others' settlements.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on July 02, 2012
at 07:30 PM

There's plenty of inter tribal warfare between groups of hunter gatherers, and even going way back in our lineage to primates, so I'm not sure that impulse started with grains. The average farmer's work day is much longer than the average hunter too, so I'm not sure there was a surplus of free time.

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Da12b342d4959f5bd776c0f00b072a6c

on May 27, 2012
at 06:03 AM

My resistance to sunburn changed dramatically after removing the avoidable polyunsaturated fats in my diet and adding coconut oil. I also found applying coconut oil externally was protective whilst swimming in the sea. "People whose diets are high in omega-6 polyunsaturated fats (such as sunflower, safflower and other vegetable oils) are more prone to sunburn. Once consumed, these oils work their way to the skin surface, where sunlight oxidises them, which rapidly creates free radicals - unstable molecules that damage the cells??? DNA, leading to photoageing as well as skin cancer "

1aa42ad69e7a5ea23d748879e0b533d7

(28)

on May 27, 2012
at 09:45 PM

shea butter is also well know and used in africa as a moderate sun screen and good moisturiser.

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

(3850)

on July 02, 2012
at 07:01 PM

Where did that quote come from? I'd love to cite it.

Da12b342d4959f5bd776c0f00b072a6c

(311)

on July 05, 2012
at 08:35 PM

Almost certainly from Dr Bruce Fife who has written several books on coconut oil checkout the final item in this newsletter http://www.coconutresearchcenter.com/hwnl_6-3.htm Foods and Medications That Raise the Risk of Sunburn and Skin Cancer

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4de2c59d682664a54cfcd4f0979e1115

on May 27, 2012
at 02:24 AM

Mosquitoes are attracted to exhaled CO2. When you're in ketosis, metabolism switches to burning fat rather than carbs and your RQ drops -- so you exhale less CO2, making you less visible to mosquitoes.

4de2c59d682664a54cfcd4f0979e1115

on May 27, 2012
at 03:12 PM

RQ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_quotient

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

(290)

on May 27, 2012
at 04:16 AM

Exhaled CO2 is also, according to one of my professors, how body weight is lost. That is a really interesting scientific explanation. Thank you! What is RQ?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 27, 2012
at 05:22 AM

I also eat tons of garlic, which makes me less tasty to the little creatures.

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

(290)

on May 28, 2012
at 04:01 PM

That is really neat.

1aa42ad69e7a5ea23d748879e0b533d7

(28)

on May 27, 2012
at 09:41 PM

very interesting

4de2c59d682664a54cfcd4f0979e1115

on May 27, 2012
at 03:11 PM

RQ = respiratory quotient, and it's a ratio of O2:CO2. Burning fat and carbs will yield H2O and CO2. 100% carbs will yield an RQ of 1.00; 100% fat about 0.70 -- so less CO2 exhaled the more fat is being burned. We all burn a mix of carbs and fat, but going ketogenic will shift the RQ downward. Yes, body weight is being lost as CO2, but also as heat and water.

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61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 27, 2012
at 12:40 AM

Yes! I haven't used sunscreen at all and have zero bug bites. I use coconut oil as a moisturizer and my skin is amazing.

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

(290)

on May 27, 2012
at 04:18 AM

That is what I WANT to hear! I like to hang out outside, but hate wearing insect repellent.

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on July 02, 2012
at 06:52 PM

Oh yes on SAD nearly my whole life mosquitos were attracted to me like flies to a lamp! I remember one summer going to India and my legs looked like they had chicken pox from all the bug bites!

On Paleo the hubby and I notice when we travel in groups those who were overweight and/or eating more sweets than us all were bitten way more then us. We would have 0-2 bites a day per perosn and the other individuals would have 8-20!

My uncle doctor in India would tease me and my brother when we were kids, "American blood is so sweet and that is why the mosquitos love you."

The last time we went to India since my parents, husband and I were doing Paleo we were bitten LESS then our Indian relatives because they ate rice as part of their diet!

As for sunburn - well I have a good number of moles and freckles so I still will tan. BUT if I don't wear cotton clothing and hat, AND forget some Devita Solar Protective Moisturizer SPF 30+ on uncovered skin parts like my face and hands I have sunburned after being in the sun from 12:30-4:30pm (4 hours) in 90F in New Hampshire in July. This happened after months of walking outside with no sunscreen in the heat in Boston, so I thought I could get away with it. I didn't put sunscreen below my neck and yikes it hurt. Yes, Indian people can burn too!

Someone on PH recommended Devita sunscreen products and I like it since it has no funny, fake, funky smells like conventional sunscreen:

They have multiple products with different ingredients but this one I liked because it was the fewest number of sketchy ingredients. http://www.devitaskincare.com/store/solar-protective-moisturizer-spf-30-p-17534.html

NO NANO TECHNOLOGY! (average particle size is 240 nm). ACTIVE INGREDIENT: Zinc oxide 19%. INACTIVE INGREDIENTS: Aloe barbadensis (certified organic aloe vera gel), Purified Water (aqua), Capric/caprylic triglycerides (derived from coconut oil), Glycerin (vegetable), Hyaluronic acid (vegan source), Glyceryl stearate SE (derived from vegetable oil), Stearic acid, Lecithin phospholipid, Tocopherol (vitamin E), Allantoin, Vitis vinifera (grape) seed extract. Ingredient labeling adheres to international INCI standard

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on May 27, 2012
at 06:18 PM

Robb Wolf answered someone's question (alright, it was mine) about paleo and bug bites last year - it turns out that insect attraction may also be associated with blood sugar levels. There are tons of anecdotes about newly-turned diabetics all of a sudden being plagued with mosquito bites.

Robb Wolf - The Paleo Solution - Episode 91

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on May 27, 2012
at 05:26 PM

Last summer a new patch came on the market here in Canada for mosquitos. It's a transdermal patch with vitaimin B1 i think. I think with paleo and more meat consumption and for those that eat liver, our B vitamin profile would be far better. I'm not sure the mechanism behind it, but I did try one patch and did notice a difference. Not sure about the sunburn though as I tan well and don't really burn easily.

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on July 02, 2012
at 07:24 PM

I wonder if people who drink a lot of alcohol are more susceptible to mosquito bites because drinking drives down B1 levels pretty dramatically?

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on May 27, 2012
at 03:59 PM

I have noticed a dramatic difference in bug bites since leaving the SAD diet. I use to almost be a prisoner in my own home during the summer. I was a mosquito magnet everywhere I went. It was miserable.

Last summer (my first paleo summer) i noticed a huge decrease in bites. Just last night hubby and I were laying on a blanket in backyard looking at moon and I noticed mosquitoes flying around and came in the house with out a single bite

Don't know if its the removal of sugar or what,...but def loving it!

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C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on May 27, 2012
at 03:24 PM

I'm not sunburn or insect resistent. What are you guys doing? Also too much sun seems to damage the stretchiness of the skin resulting in an older appearance for a lot of people.

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on May 27, 2012
at 04:31 AM

I recently spent two months in LA and while I was there I started increasing my vitamin D3 to 10,000 IU daily because I may have osteoporosis (still have yet to see the dr). One thing I noticed was that I wasn't burning like I usually do in the sun at home in Iowa (further north). And I spent some serious time outside. Went to California pale and came home golden.

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on May 27, 2012
at 12:47 AM

I don't know about the mosquitos thing...I've never been bit a lot, but I feel like everyone's got that one or two friends that either get eaten alive, or no bites at all. Why wouldn't they like us though?! They should find us tasty, in my opinion - especially Paleo humans!

Coconut oil is associated a lot with better skin, especially in the tanning department. Pale people must eat a lot of bread ;D

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

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on May 27, 2012
at 04:13 AM

Thanks all for your answers!

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 27, 2012
at 12:49 AM

Garlic and onion consumption help!

Dea5f440698f5488b975ada2f61daa0d

(393)

on May 27, 2012
at 12:41 PM

Veriria, my husband and I do not experience any pore-clogging from all the coconut oil we put on our skin. I think it's because the coconut oil is absorbed and used by our skin.

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

(877)

on May 27, 2012
at 12:55 AM

Dries...Not tries...haha

Ff5d6fd79983af7b92bfab38b71823fb

(290)

on May 27, 2012
at 04:13 AM

I am new to this and still havent been formally introduced to coconut oil. If it smells anything like coconuts, I'll probably like it.

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

(877)

on May 27, 2012
at 12:53 AM

Coconut oil might help a lot of people, but it is also a known pore-clogging oil as well. I don't personally use it on my skin (or in soap I use or make) because it tries out my skin a LOT.

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