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Why do you think the paleo diet failed me?

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Created November 04, 2012 at 12:12 PM

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This is what happened to me when I went paleo for 6 months. Fasting blood sugar went up about 15 points it went from 90 to 100-115 (blood sugar during the day was 90-110)never over 125, gout in big toe, heel spurs developed, Gums/teeth hard to take care of constantly picking out meat! Dairy free and grain free 36 yr old woman that can dead lift 295 lbs. Weight 150 5'3" all labs perfect

I love meat and I wish I could eat it at every meal. I ate a raw vegan diet for 2 weeks and i was healed of all of the above.

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on August 19, 2013
at 03:07 AM

In particular eat high antioxidant/low glycemic index fruits like blackberries, raspberries, cranberries, lemons, and limes and medium GI fruits like blueberries, cherries, peaches, guava, and tomatoes.

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on November 09, 2012
at 05:12 AM

Short term, avoiding purines is essential. Long-term, lay off fructose, lose your fatty liver, lower your liver enzymes and triglycerides. There is a portion of gout patients, however, who still get gout after losing all excess weight and after blood markers had stabilized. It's part genetics. The key is in your genes, specifically, rs2231142, rs1014290, rs6449213, and rs737267.

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on November 09, 2012
at 05:02 AM

That's what doctors don't realize. Gout is driven by uric acid and acidity. Drugs like allopurinol and colchicine are designed to lower UA but you can still get gout. Why? It's not a one way street with UA as the driver; if you make your body alkaline at night and mornings, you can phase out a big portion of gout attacks. OTOH, if your UA is over say 9, you do need to lower that, no arguments. But that won't by itself drive out gout. THose with UA ~5-6 still get gout and for them, building body's alkaline storage could be helpful.

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on November 05, 2012
at 12:19 AM

I was 150lbs at 5'5" not long ago. I'm down to mid 130's depending on the day. I did some fasts which helped knock off the last pounds but I had extreme motivation too. Consider eating lots of different veggies and limit your portions of lean protein, eat a decent amount of fats, watch calories somewhat. Don't have that almond bread every day. Do you do any long, slow walks or exercise that is not as intense as lifting? It sounds like you just need to play with the variables a bit more to figure out what will work for you. Good luck!

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on November 04, 2012
at 09:38 PM

Low carb paleo is often a fail. Check out posts on perfecthealthdiet.com. You can end up depleted of antioxidants... If the vegan thing works - just add some seafood, organic eggs, and maybe a little meat (small portions - palm size max) per meal. Make sure you have starchy carbs and fruit as well in moderation

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on November 04, 2012
at 06:14 PM

Thanks Mambo, I am going to try the baking soda drink. I give baking soda to my goats, so why not me?

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on November 04, 2012
at 05:33 PM

I get meat of all sorts stuck in my teeth all the time too. I think it's more of a how close your teeth are together problem.

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on November 04, 2012
at 05:10 PM

Yes, I am a big girl, my waist is 31 in my calves are 16 inches wide and all muscle, no fat. I would like to loose 10-15 lbs. I guess I do not know the full definition of a paleo diet, I have read a few books and I thought I was eating a "paleo diet"

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on November 04, 2012
at 04:39 PM

I have a farm, I raise my own meat so the old roosters tend to get stuck in my teeth;(

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on November 04, 2012
at 04:38 PM

Coconut oil to fry eggs and meat in.

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on November 04, 2012
at 04:37 PM

I am white, Irish,Polish and Hungarian. I never had gout or any other health problem.

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on November 04, 2012
at 04:33 PM

Breakfast: eggs and homemade chicken or turkey sausage with avacado lunch: kimchi tuna soup with almond flour bread (eggs, almonds, salt,acv, baking soda) Dinner: salad with roasted shallot dressing 4 oz steak or veal No medical conditions, My dad has a gout flare every once and a while.

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on November 04, 2012
at 03:28 PM

Yes, details. What animal, what part, what preparation. What oils and fats. What kinds of vegetables? What were your cheats? How much of all that? Do you have any medical conditions? If you want such a specific answer, you're going to need to give specific details.

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on November 04, 2012
at 03:10 PM

You need to post what your typical day of eating was when you were Paleo to get an answer. Otherwise this isn't a real question but instead trolling and I'm sure it will be voted to close.

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on November 04, 2012
at 03:01 PM

I get tender meat stuck in my bad teeth all the time, as well as stringy vegetable fiber and skins. Fibrous stuff is the worst.

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on November 04, 2012
at 12:30 PM

Meat, greens and or fermented veggies. Very low carb.

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on November 04, 2012
at 12:26 PM

What did you eat in a typical day/week?

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94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

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on November 04, 2012
at 04:47 PM

Very low carb =/= paleo. Keto =/= paleo. Limited food list (e.g. "Meat, greens and fermented vegetables") does not equal paleo. What's your waist to height ratio? Did you do any intermittent fasting? Did you just eat lean meats? How much overall fat in your diet? Did you include any fish and seaweed? Bone broth? Too much fermented veggie could contain too much histamine for you depending how allergic a type you may be.

From the way you wrote your original post, my guess is that you think you were eating Paleo but you were more or less in Atkins induction for 6-months and not getting enough variety of foods. also you maybe need to drop a few pounds regardless of your lifting ability to take some of the pressure off your heel and to help with the bloodsugar. 150 at 5'3"? So, you ate a bunch of veggies for a while and replenished nutrients you were missing. Take a lesson from that and vary your so-called Paleo diet to better suit your needs.

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

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on November 05, 2012
at 12:19 AM

I was 150lbs at 5'5" not long ago. I'm down to mid 130's depending on the day. I did some fasts which helped knock off the last pounds but I had extreme motivation too. Consider eating lots of different veggies and limit your portions of lean protein, eat a decent amount of fats, watch calories somewhat. Don't have that almond bread every day. Do you do any long, slow walks or exercise that is not as intense as lifting? It sounds like you just need to play with the variables a bit more to figure out what will work for you. Good luck!

B56f21408ecfeb43c2fef280f9a16a7a

(3)

on November 04, 2012
at 05:10 PM

Yes, I am a big girl, my waist is 31 in my calves are 16 inches wide and all muscle, no fat. I would like to loose 10-15 lbs. I guess I do not know the full definition of a paleo diet, I have read a few books and I thought I was eating a "paleo diet"

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on November 04, 2012
at 02:57 PM

A good N=1 to know about. Taking the Paleo/Atkins LC approach works best if you have a lot of fat to lose, not so well if you're already physically fit. The vegan diet, back to back with the LC diet, sounds more like ancestral diet pattern. High carb when you can get it, low carb when you can't. Not an invariate regimen of either one.

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on November 04, 2012
at 04:01 PM

I think it's quite possible to design a diet that fits into the "paleo mold" but still results in serious micronutrient deficiencies. Also think that VLC is not a great idea for everybody, although it seems to work well for some people.

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on August 19, 2013
at 03:05 AM

Old question, but worth answering. People who do paleo focus on increasing meat consumption and eliminating grains, but they often don't realize that its ideal to get 100g carbs/day from 6-8 servings of fruits & vegetables. VLC is mainly recommended as a starting point for obese people trying to lose a significant amount of weight. Not eating enough produce long-term can cause a micronutrient deficiency, which may be why vegan made you feel better. If you ever want to do paleo again, I'd recommend eating plenty of produce with your meat.

Fa4b934bc224b17784fe0ee36d153dcd

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on August 19, 2013
at 03:07 AM

In particular eat high antioxidant/low glycemic index fruits like blackberries, raspberries, cranberries, lemons, and limes and medium GI fruits like blueberries, cherries, peaches, guava, and tomatoes.

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on November 04, 2012
at 05:24 PM

If you have gout, you should incorporate safe tubers like sweet potatoes, yams, potatoes, taro, etc. You don't give up meat entirely, but it's essential that you incorporate tubers. You can experiment with white rice as well. Now, if your fasting BG went up that high, that suggests that you were doing relaly low carb and your insulin simply lapsed. Adding about 70 grams of carbs should get your FBG down to about 90.

Dairy is another refuge if you have gout. But if you have autoimmune diseases, that's not a good idea. The simply truth is that there is really no perfect cure for gout. If you have gout, you have to lay off purine-laden foods short-term. Long-term, you should lay off fructose, but you're already doing that. You should also drink some water with baking soda dissolved to make your body alkaline at night, when gout usually strikes. Drink about a 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda in water before and after sleep.

B56f21408ecfeb43c2fef280f9a16a7a

(3)

on November 04, 2012
at 06:14 PM

Thanks Mambo, I am going to try the baking soda drink. I give baking soda to my goats, so why not me?

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

(2361)

on November 04, 2012
at 09:38 PM

Low carb paleo is often a fail. Check out posts on perfecthealthdiet.com. You can end up depleted of antioxidants... If the vegan thing works - just add some seafood, organic eggs, and maybe a little meat (small portions - palm size max) per meal. Make sure you have starchy carbs and fruit as well in moderation

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

(345)

on November 09, 2012
at 05:12 AM

Short term, avoiding purines is essential. Long-term, lay off fructose, lose your fatty liver, lower your liver enzymes and triglycerides. There is a portion of gout patients, however, who still get gout after losing all excess weight and after blood markers had stabilized. It's part genetics. The key is in your genes, specifically, rs2231142, rs1014290, rs6449213, and rs737267.

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

(345)

on November 09, 2012
at 05:02 AM

That's what doctors don't realize. Gout is driven by uric acid and acidity. Drugs like allopurinol and colchicine are designed to lower UA but you can still get gout. Why? It's not a one way street with UA as the driver; if you make your body alkaline at night and mornings, you can phase out a big portion of gout attacks. OTOH, if your UA is over say 9, you do need to lower that, no arguments. But that won't by itself drive out gout. THose with UA ~5-6 still get gout and for them, building body's alkaline storage could be helpful.

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on November 04, 2012
at 02:08 PM

love to see your deadlift

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on November 04, 2012
at 01:28 PM

What the hell meat were you eating that ALWAYS got stuck in your teeth? I've only ever experienced that with beef jerky and other dried meats.

Was this the first time you've ever experienced gout? or had you had gout pre-paleo?

What is your ethnicity?

E791387b2829c660292308092dc3ca9b

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on November 04, 2012
at 05:33 PM

I get meat of all sorts stuck in my teeth all the time too. I think it's more of a how close your teeth are together problem.

B56f21408ecfeb43c2fef280f9a16a7a

(3)

on November 04, 2012
at 04:39 PM

I have a farm, I raise my own meat so the old roosters tend to get stuck in my teeth;(

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 04, 2012
at 03:01 PM

I get tender meat stuck in my bad teeth all the time, as well as stringy vegetable fiber and skins. Fibrous stuff is the worst.

B56f21408ecfeb43c2fef280f9a16a7a

(3)

on November 04, 2012
at 04:37 PM

I am white, Irish,Polish and Hungarian. I never had gout or any other health problem.

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