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What is the longest you've gone with ZERO gluten, vegetable oil, or added sugar?

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Created March 19, 2011 at 2:42 AM

...and did you feel any different than when you were less strict? These are the three horses of the SAD apocolypse, hence singling them out.

I haven't gone more than a week or so uber-strict, because of the odd dark chocolate, Chipotle oiled-up-meat, conventional salad dressing, or all out "cheat". Might be time to go for the gold. There's something to be said for discipline. I don't know what it is exactly, but there's something.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Including coconut?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on August 12, 2013
at 08:03 PM

Soooooooooo why are you even here if you disagree with everything anyone says, all questions they ask and why they're asking them, any persons they reference, any theories they mention, and all tenets/guidelines of the diet that have been mentioned? Just to be an ass, or are you tired of trolling vegan boards telling them about how wrong they are and how much meat could benefit them? If you're not tired of that, maybe you could go troll them instead. I bet they'd love to hear your schpiel.

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

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on March 07, 2013
at 12:11 AM

hey im in northern idaho, well not so north anymore, but spent all last year on a farm up near moyie springs.....paleo heaven with all the wild life running around those parts:)!

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

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on March 04, 2013
at 02:06 PM

Steven Aegis, I wonder how you are these days. I miss your leadership by example on this forum. If you read this please come back and comment on what paleo/primal/PHD/Dr. Harris is or is not doing for you these days. Sincerely, Doris

82166cc32b6cf26de33b69f58fb583b1

on March 03, 2013
at 11:29 PM

About five years. However I eat fruit occasionally -- I don't know whether that's what you mean by added sugar. If you stick to this kind of diet, you eventually lose your taste for the things you mention, so it's not as hard as people think. The problem is that you have to stick to it longer than people imagine before all the cravings fade completely. General carb cravings are a problem for only a short time, but cravings for specific foods last longer. The food that haunted me longest was a particular flavor of Haagen Daaz ice cream. It took two years for that to fade completely.

82166cc32b6cf26de33b69f58fb583b1

on March 03, 2013
at 11:24 PM

About five years. However I eat fruit occasionally -- I'm not sure whether that's what you mean by added sugar. If you stick to it, you eventually lose your taste for these things, so it's not as hard as people think. The problem is that you have to stick to it longer than people imagine. My cravings for ice cream continued for about two years. That was the last evil food that haunted me. :)

82166cc32b6cf26de33b69f58fb583b1

on March 03, 2013
at 11:21 PM

About five years. If you stick to it, you lose your taste for that stuff after a while.

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on April 23, 2012
at 11:25 AM

From what I understand, 100% Cocoa is PB not Paleo and even then as an occasional indulgence.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 23, 2012
at 02:39 AM

not as strict anymore though.

03db20f160e58814827ae5a05a5c8792

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on March 20, 2011
at 08:28 AM

You can avoid grains in restaurants easily. Don't order the pizza or pasta. :-) I ask whether they use veg oils or butter, coconut oil etc.

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on March 20, 2011
at 02:07 AM

I'm anal about insisting on what they cook with. When I do eat out anymore, it's sushi... So yeah. Possible cross contamination I suppose, or they could lie to me. But I ask and insist ad I have walked out before.

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on March 19, 2011
at 09:25 PM

Seriously, you haven't eaten at a restaurant in two years?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 19, 2011
at 08:16 PM

Go to World Market stores....they have 99% pure cacoa bars. No sugar.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 19, 2011
at 08:16 PM

100% cacoa is not cheating.....infact its totally paleo.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 19, 2011
at 08:15 PM

I lost my carbs cravings after 8 weeks. And it was backed up by my reverse T3 level.....which fell to undetectable. That told me I was now centrally leptin sensitive. Since then it has been on like Donkey Kong. I am just trying to share the message and change my profession

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 19, 2011
at 04:26 PM

Donuts self-filled with Nutella! I'd like to be more like you, but my sweet tooth is slow to regress.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 19, 2011
at 04:21 PM

That's so on-the-ball, I'd lump the rare 90% dark chocolate into "no added sugar" too!

03db20f160e58814827ae5a05a5c8792

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:33 PM

I don't like rice. Has no satisfaction feeling for me. In tried rice waffles but they are too high in calories (very carb dense). If I really need more carbs than I get with beets and carrots I use sweet potato or banana.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on March 19, 2011
at 02:12 PM

"Here" is always a good place to be. ;)

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on March 19, 2011
at 02:11 PM

Heh. I don't compromise myself in social situations to avoid looking weird. I take care of number 1. But, you know, I suffer quite dramatically when I stray. I might be more lax otherwise.

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on March 19, 2011
at 02:10 PM

poor reading comprehension on my part.. I suppose my wine and veggies are not guilty of being added. Its so ingrained in me that Sugar is Sugar added or not.

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on March 19, 2011
at 02:05 PM

do you eat rice?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on March 19, 2011
at 01:57 PM

Is the sugar in wine "added"? I've had 3 or 4 of those, too.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:22 AM

Here here to food = happiness! Sometimes strictness is a boon for addressing health concerns, but there is nothing better than a nice, no-limits meal. Except sex.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:20 AM

Jesus Dr. K, that's impressive. I imagine that you lost your sweet tooth or never had one, or that you're just one gritty mofo.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:19 AM

Coconut oil and macadamia nut oil are a-okay

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:08 AM

Including coconut oil?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:07 AM

4.7 yrs.......so far

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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at 03:01 AM

You're not already there :)

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:11 AM

I had to laugh at this post. Chocolate, Chipotle, and all out cheats = my triangle of doom as well.

I can probably go two weeks. The house is clean and tight except for a box of flaked quinoa (which I have no problem with but I know the thought of ingesting such a poison makes some paleos stroke out.) I happen to live in a land of foodies and am one and when I go out to a fabulous restaurant I eat what I like whether gluten, sugar and anything else the chef wants to throw into my pot of death. Food equals happiness to me and I fought that long enough to now know it's not a fight worth fighting to me. I don't aspire to 100% compliance. I wouldn't be happy and I really doubt I'd be that much healthier. I'm 90/10 and that suits me just fine. Good enough is good enough for me.

I very much admire people who are 100% compliant and live this like religion. I agree that there is something to be said for discipline...just as there is something to be said for mastering the art of compromise.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 19, 2011
at 08:16 PM

100% cacoa is not cheating.....infact its totally paleo.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:22 AM

Here here to food = happiness! Sometimes strictness is a boon for addressing health concerns, but there is nothing better than a nice, no-limits meal. Except sex.

7660f5a0ec906d3922d79b20f3434ecc

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on April 23, 2012
at 11:25 AM

From what I understand, 100% Cocoa is PB not Paleo and even then as an occasional indulgence.

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84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 19, 2011
at 02:01 PM

If I do Kamal's cheats first:

dark chocolate - Never was much of a chocolate lover. I don't think I ate a pound (454 grams) in my whole life.

Chipotle oiled-up-meat - ? and then Wiki saved. Never had that.

Conventional salad dressing - Salad is fo' suckerz :D I avoid pretty much all "pre-packed"/unknown ingredients foods so...

all out "cheat" - I actually can't remember a single thing that I like better than a sip of cold heavy cream so I "cheat" with that ;)

As for riders of the storm

Vegetable oil - In the last year I ate about two spoons of steak tartare (I do some tasting/testing for a family member who makes them) which was left in vegetable oil for a few days. If a stake is soaked in vegetable oil, it's a no go for me.

Gluten - February 2009- Donuts self-filled with Nuttella (chocolate cream). I though I was going to die. Literally. 6 months without beer.

Added sugar - When I got sick last month I "cheated" with honey so I would say 6 months or so. Again honey is also one of the foods I never loved so no sweet tooth here.

That being said, I don't eat out so if I'm joining my friends, I fast.

I presume all comes down to "Why do you "cheat" (potential question if we hadn't had it before ?) and how do you reach health wise to the horsemen. Other factors also might be social/peer pressure, general availability of "cheats" and emotional attachment to them.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 19, 2011
at 04:26 PM

Donuts self-filled with Nutella! I'd like to be more like you, but my sweet tooth is slow to regress.

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on March 19, 2011
at 05:00 PM

No grains or veg oils for three years, and comfortable saying I'll never knowingly eat them again. Plant-free for one of those years, aside from a little garlic and onion with liver a couple times a month. Since then I gradually reintroduced some fruit and non-starchy veg, with random occasional paleo starches mostly timed around workouts. Things like low-sugar homemade cheesecake (1 tablespoon of honey in the whole thing, plus berries) I save for special events once or twice a year.

Dairy consumption fluctuated quite a bit throughout all this, but now I mostly stick to lots of pastured butter and a little raw goat milk. I don't totally avoid pasteurized things like plain unadulterated full-fat yogurt or sour cream, but they're infrequent and in much smaller amounts than before.

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Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on March 04, 2013
at 07:52 AM

from september 2010 till now

however when i walk past the fresh bread counter and get a whiff, I still feel like a recovering junkie

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32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on March 03, 2013
at 11:19 PM

The longer you go, the easier it is. I would say the tipping point for me is about 2 months. After that, the only cheats are convenience based. I broke a 6 month no cheat run when home at my inlaws for christmas. I seriously considered fasting for 2 weeks, but I got hungry... kind of hard in a house where "veggies" are corn, lima beans, and black eyed peas...

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2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

on March 03, 2013
at 11:07 PM

5 or more years without gluten or sugar

at least that long without veggie oils, maybe longer? and maybe about 3 years without olive oil, flax oil, or nut butters

i wouldnt go back

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on April 23, 2012
at 02:34 AM

at least 18 consecutive months on end.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 23, 2012
at 02:39 AM

not as strict anymore though.

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4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on March 19, 2011
at 12:53 PM

No grains and no veg oils, 2 years.

Sugar I get naturally in foods and the rare 90% dark chocolate or Cabernet . Less than 20g a day tho, usually only trace amounts in vegetable garnish.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on March 19, 2011
at 02:10 PM

poor reading comprehension on my part.. I suppose my wine and veggies are not guilty of being added. Its so ingrained in me that Sugar is Sugar added or not.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 20, 2011
at 02:07 AM

I'm anal about insisting on what they cook with. When I do eat out anymore, it's sushi... So yeah. Possible cross contamination I suppose, or they could lie to me. But I ask and insist ad I have walked out before.

03db20f160e58814827ae5a05a5c8792

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on March 20, 2011
at 08:28 AM

You can avoid grains in restaurants easily. Don't order the pizza or pasta. :-) I ask whether they use veg oils or butter, coconut oil etc.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 19, 2011
at 04:21 PM

That's so on-the-ball, I'd lump the rare 90% dark chocolate into "no added sugar" too!

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on March 19, 2011
at 01:57 PM

Is the sugar in wine "added"? I've had 3 or 4 of those, too.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 19, 2011
at 08:16 PM

Go to World Market stores....they have 99% pure cacoa bars. No sugar.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

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on March 19, 2011
at 09:25 PM

Seriously, you haven't eaten at a restaurant in two years?

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

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on March 04, 2013
at 02:06 PM

Steven Aegis, I wonder how you are these days. I miss your leadership by example on this forum. If you read this please come back and comment on what paleo/primal/PHD/Dr. Harris is or is not doing for you these days. Sincerely, Doris

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03db20f160e58814827ae5a05a5c8792

on March 19, 2011
at 11:37 AM

I did the Whole30 successfully last year. That's 30 days of "no cheating".

I don't use veg oils except olive oil which is ok.

No Grains, legumes during the last 2 years. Don't miss them.

Sometimes I take a tiny amount (a quarter of a teaspoon) of white sugar (sucrose) in my espresso. My "cheat stuff" is espresso, alcohol and dark chocolate (actually drugs, not food).

It is not discipline but simple knowledge about food quality and agriculture practices. Why should I stuff myself with nutrition poor low quality junk? If I have cravings (cortisol, lack of sleep etc) and tend to overeat at least I should treat myself respectful and do it with high quality real food.

For me it's about self respect and respect for nature. It's about supporting good farming practices instead of Food Inc. It's not about asceticism or health fanatism. I am too hedonistic for this.

03db20f160e58814827ae5a05a5c8792

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:33 PM

I don't like rice. Has no satisfaction feeling for me. In tried rice waffles but they are too high in calories (very carb dense). If I really need more carbs than I get with beets and carrots I use sweet potato or banana.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on March 19, 2011
at 02:05 PM

do you eat rice?

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on March 19, 2011
at 10:59 AM

My husband an I did 30 days. We cooked all our own meals that month so we knew exactly what was going into our bodies. I HIGHLY recommend it. It takes planning, packing your lunch, and turning down SOME social events (I knew happy hour with friends would leave me helpless). We felt amazing and looked good too. :) my husband actually prefers eating that way but I'm more of a social butterfly, but as you know when going out food is always questionable...

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on March 19, 2011
at 02:52 AM

I bet I have only gone 24+ hours when I've fasted. ;)

I am not a super strict Paleo. I would guess though, that it's not even 2% of what I eat every day that's affected. I may lick the spoon when I'm cooking or take a sip of my daughter's chocolate milk. I have 90% dark chocolate most nights.

I have seen major improvements with the changes that I have made in my diet. I am very happy where I'm at and don't want to get TOO obsessive. Some would say I'm already there, but I know in comparison to many in the Paleosphere I am not.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on March 19, 2011
at 02:12 PM

"Here" is always a good place to be. ;)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:01 AM

You're not already there :)

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on April 23, 2012
at 01:59 AM

I was mis-diagnoes with gluten sensitivity and went gluten-free for a year. No improvement in any symptoms (acne, energy levels).

BTW, make sure you're actually gluten-sensitive. There is only one gold standard for that biopsy. Saliva or other sorts of tests are used by "alternative medicine" clinics and aren't medically reliable.

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100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on March 19, 2011
at 01:54 PM

Over the last 17 months, I've had a vegetable oil containing protein shake a couple of times, and a bar of dark chocolate once. I also had some pecans one time, and, perhaps the worst, some canola oil mayo. I don't know exactly how long the longest time between these was, but I imagine it was several months.

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on March 19, 2011
at 12:36 PM

No grains, no vegetable oils. I don't eat out very much either so that helps. the longest I've been super strict is the longest I've been without dark chocolate... maybe a few weeks?

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on March 19, 2011
at 12:02 PM

Sugar is my problem :) I use ketchup (with sugar, no HFCS) sometimes, eat dark chocolate ... I guess there are 3-4 days in a row where I would be "clean", but I dont' obsess much over tiny amount of sugar here and there.

But grain and oils is no problem for me, I've been "clean" for months (I had a bit of popcorn some months ago).

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on March 19, 2011
at 06:58 AM

I don't compromise myself in social situations to make a point about diet. So the interval is 2 weeks at most between times where I consider my eating ideal. That said, I eat grain everyday and not paleo ./shrug.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on March 19, 2011
at 02:11 PM

Heh. I don't compromise myself in social situations to avoid looking weird. I take care of number 1. But, you know, I suffer quite dramatically when I stray. I might be more lax otherwise.

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on March 19, 2011
at 06:17 AM

2 or 3 days i guess. Its hard for me. Of course it wouldn't be as hard if i were more consistent- Less cravings? I went too low carb for my body and couldn't figure out what was wrong for a good year. Still trying to figure out what works for me. I'm realizing that having real social support (not just internet, but friends/family) would really help. I think i'm the only person in northern Idaho that tries to do a paleoish diet. Time for north Idaho question!

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

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on March 07, 2013
at 12:11 AM

hey im in northern idaho, well not so north anymore, but spent all last year on a farm up near moyie springs.....paleo heaven with all the wild life running around those parts:)!

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on March 19, 2011
at 04:32 AM

15 days at a stretch, several times, before one of these 3 enter my food chain in ways I cannot avoid. The result is slight discomfort at the most but plenty of guilt..

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on August 12, 2013
at 04:55 PM

Thankfully, because I do not have celiac disease, I do not have to avoid gluten, so the longest has been approximately 3-4 days depending on the random occasions in which I do not have any wheat products. Thankfully, food "sensitivities" are not real so I can eat a well balanced diet.

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on August 12, 2013
at 08:03 PM

Soooooooooo why are you even here if you disagree with everything anyone says, all questions they ask and why they're asking them, any persons they reference, any theories they mention, and all tenets/guidelines of the diet that have been mentioned? Just to be an ass, or are you tired of trolling vegan boards telling them about how wrong they are and how much meat could benefit them? If you're not tired of that, maybe you could go troll them instead. I bet they'd love to hear your schpiel.

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