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Virgils brand rootbeer ok?

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Created May 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM

I saw this on sale at my local Native Sun and wanted to get some input (mainly about the oils) to see what my fellow Paleo's think about this. Always looking for some different beverages to mix things up a bit.

Contents: Virgil's Root Beer contains cane sugar and a number of natural spices, including anise, licorice, vanilla, cinnamon, clove, sweet birch, molasses, nutmeg, pimento berry oil (allspice), balsam oil, cassia oil and citric acid. It does not contain caffeine. It has 42 grams of sugar per 12 U.S. fluid ounce serving. One 12-oz. longneck bottle has about 160 calories.

I operate under the belief that cane sugar is acceptable from time to time. Is that wrong?

Thanks in advance.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on August 19, 2011
at 06:54 PM

... from a basic layman's understanding of metabolism. Sucrose is in plenty of "paleo" foods, like every fruit and many vegetables. It's not a magical demon molecule. Soda is bad for the reasons stated: it's nutritionally bankrupt liquid energy which registers low on satiety and high on addictiveness. But again, if you are in control of your eating and have a soda every now and then, you're probably going to be fine. Dose makes the poison.

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(5639)

on August 19, 2011
at 04:28 PM

SOMETIMES is the operative here though. Myabe 1 or 2 times a month.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on August 19, 2011
at 04:28 PM

try 70% dark chocolate. I sometimes buy the Touch of Sea Salt bars, and have a square or two after a meal on workout days.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on August 19, 2011
at 04:26 PM

tartare, I drink half pure grass-fed heavy cream and hot black tea every morning...then cream and iced tea in the afternoon every day!

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(5639)

on August 19, 2011
at 04:24 PM

Where did you get info that sugar is ok??

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(5639)

on August 19, 2011
at 04:23 PM

Coconut water is PACKED with sugar too.

B58511bcd1ecc0dd4ad8130859513c81

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on July 08, 2011
at 04:44 PM

I also juice a whole lemon and add it to my water, add some lemon flavored liquid stevia, and it makes an awesome inexpensive lemonade replacement!

002d074ab094fefc344bf0d1f36091ec

(370)

on May 11, 2011
at 02:18 AM

Chris, check out this post on Stevia. Right up front there is an interesting take on "diet sprite". Perhaps it is worth trying. It's a great hack on stevia as well. :) http://paleohacks.com/questions/1457/artificial-sweetners-is-stevia-primal#axzz1M0R1l3uw

219ce991d8c94447870c824680de53e0

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on May 10, 2011
at 10:05 PM

I really dont want a soda specifically. I am just tired of water. And like I said I dont care for tea so I am just looking for anything suggestions to mix it up. And I just know I am going to get my hand slapped for this but I get the feeling like paleos look down on anyone that still likes sweet things as if they are weak or something. I mean I have been following the major premisesof Paleo for 5 months and lost 40 lbs so I think I have shwon remarkable discipline. However once in a while something sweet would be a nice change. And does stevia cause an insulin spike or not?

2f931662684a7747be36255c8b486228

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on May 10, 2011
at 09:19 PM

If you are just looking to mix things up a bit.....why not try mixing your own. There are recipes out there for naturally lacto or non-lacto fermented ginger ale or Root beer. Still have sugar, but there is a healthy side to them. The fermentation will at least bring benefits to your gut and you can keep the sugar content as low as you want.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on May 10, 2011
at 08:20 PM

Sugar is sugar, yep. And it's important to note that that's _all_ it is. It depends largely on your personality and mentality; some people do just fine on an 80/20 approach, and so having a soda every now and again won't kill you. If you let it become a habit or let it lead to other poor sources of food, then you can suffer for it.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 10, 2011
at 05:24 PM

I like honey for a variety of reasons. I like that it's all natural. I get raw, organic, local honey. It's not processed at all, just scooped out of the hive. There are even little bee bits in there sometimes! There is also anecdotal evidence that it can help with seasonal allergies, so that doesn't hurt either. I use it much less than I did when I first started Paleo, but I like the having the option.

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on May 10, 2011
at 04:46 PM

@Alex - I like the taste. I know it's not an optimal food, but I'm very much of the "abject pleasure in moderation as cortisol reduction strategy" school.

535633b57c4a4940d1e913e7a12ee791

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on May 10, 2011
at 04:43 PM

Amen, Virgil's tastes great. But sugar is a no no for me.

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(5136)

on May 10, 2011
at 03:56 PM

particularly hot tea.... not a big fan of eating and cold drinks together in general (sorry, most of America)

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 10, 2011
at 03:54 PM

the stronger and longer you steep certain teas, the more bitter they become... some people like this flavor, others, not so much. Incidentally, black tea is outstanding alongside of fat. It has tannins, like wine does, and tannins like fat. It's a very nice paring. Not sure on the science, but i've always found tea and fats to digest particularly pleasantly.

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on May 10, 2011
at 03:21 PM

splenda doesnt spike insulin.

Eeb593d6b6d7a939fdd5469b69347d5f

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on May 10, 2011
at 03:15 PM

Chris, cane sugar -is- refined sugar. It's refined from sugar cane. Anything that satisfies a craving for sweetness will spike your insulin, even if you can't digest it. However, there's good news! Most of your cravings will go away if you're strictly paleo for a month or two.

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on May 10, 2011
at 03:13 PM

Agreed Alex. Fructose is fructose, even if it has other nutrients in it.

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

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on May 10, 2011
at 03:07 PM

Not exactly sure why people are such major proponents of honey over everything else. Honey is still a major fructose source. I would go for pure dextrose if you really need to sweeten something. Pure stevia seems to be OK as well but can be bitter.

4d10a09dadeb266681418f5fe06c3f00

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on May 10, 2011
at 02:59 PM

+1 for honey as a sweetener

002d074ab094fefc344bf0d1f36091ec

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on May 10, 2011
at 01:55 PM

I use Honey or stevia. Make sure to sweeten the tea while it is still warm. You'll use less ingredients to sweeten it. I allow myself a little natural sweetness, which is akin to eating fruit. It's more a treat than a regular drink. If it is cold where you are, you can just boil water in a pan, and add tea bags to let simmer. :)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 10, 2011
at 01:55 PM

Chris, the more you drink it plain, the more you'll get used to it. I used to add splenda to my tea, then honey, now nothing. Your best bet is probably local raw organic honey, but not too much!

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on May 10, 2011
at 01:53 PM

Cane sugar is just a fancy, health food name for refined sugar made from sugar cane. I personally use honey and real maple syrup very occasionally and very sparingly. If I want something sweet, I eat a piece of fruit.

219ce991d8c94447870c824680de53e0

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on May 10, 2011
at 01:49 PM

Jessica thanks for the recommendation. Let me ask you though, do you sweeten your suntea with anything? I know what most paleos say about tea tasting good (green or regular) just as it is. but to me it is bitter and just plain old nasty.

219ce991d8c94447870c824680de53e0

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on May 10, 2011
at 01:41 PM

So sugar is sugar no matter where it is derived from and should be avoided then correct? I am still fairly new to Paleo so I have been given some bad info I guess. Let me ask you then, do you use any kind of sweetners of any kind? And if so please share what they are.

219ce991d8c94447870c824680de53e0

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on May 10, 2011
at 01:26 PM

Thanks for the feedback and I guess since I am new to this I have been lead astray when it comes to cane sugar being ok while refined sugar is not. Apparently you are saying that is not the case. I have lost 40 lbs since going paleo and want to continue the weight loss as well as the other health benefits but as much as my fellow Paleo's dismiss sweet tasting foods I like something sweet from time to time. Is there any kind of sweetened beverage out there that is acceptable? Or something I can drink that has at least a little bit of a sweet taste? Water gets old quick and so does cocowater.

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4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on May 10, 2011
at 01:16 PM

If you're going to accept 42 grams of sugar in one go, I don't see why you'd be worrying about the other stuff. Cane sugar is just sugar, exactly the same as any other 50:50 glucose:fructose formulation.

Soda is avoided because it's the poster child of nutritionally bankrupt food, and paleo is about eating nutritionally dense food. So if you want to cheat by consuming the antithesis of a paleo food, have fun, but accept that it's a cheat and not going to garner approval from the paleo community.

If you're otherwise healthy and aren't planning on downing this stuff daily, you'll probably be fine. But paleo it ain't.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on May 10, 2011
at 01:53 PM

Cane sugar is just a fancy, health food name for refined sugar made from sugar cane. I personally use honey and real maple syrup very occasionally and very sparingly. If I want something sweet, I eat a piece of fruit.

Eeb593d6b6d7a939fdd5469b69347d5f

(1037)

on May 10, 2011
at 03:13 PM

Agreed Alex. Fructose is fructose, even if it has other nutrients in it.

219ce991d8c94447870c824680de53e0

(457)

on May 10, 2011
at 01:41 PM

So sugar is sugar no matter where it is derived from and should be avoided then correct? I am still fairly new to Paleo so I have been given some bad info I guess. Let me ask you then, do you use any kind of sweetners of any kind? And if so please share what they are.

4d10a09dadeb266681418f5fe06c3f00

(115)

on May 10, 2011
at 02:59 PM

+1 for honey as a sweetener

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on May 10, 2011
at 04:46 PM

@Alex - I like the taste. I know it's not an optimal food, but I'm very much of the "abject pleasure in moderation as cortisol reduction strategy" school.

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on May 10, 2011
at 03:07 PM

Not exactly sure why people are such major proponents of honey over everything else. Honey is still a major fructose source. I would go for pure dextrose if you really need to sweeten something. Pure stevia seems to be OK as well but can be bitter.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on May 10, 2011
at 08:20 PM

Sugar is sugar, yep. And it's important to note that that's _all_ it is. It depends largely on your personality and mentality; some people do just fine on an 80/20 approach, and so having a soda every now and again won't kill you. If you let it become a habit or let it lead to other poor sources of food, then you can suffer for it.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 10, 2011
at 05:24 PM

I like honey for a variety of reasons. I like that it's all natural. I get raw, organic, local honey. It's not processed at all, just scooped out of the hive. There are even little bee bits in there sometimes! There is also anecdotal evidence that it can help with seasonal allergies, so that doesn't hurt either. I use it much less than I did when I first started Paleo, but I like the having the option.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on August 19, 2011
at 06:54 PM

... from a basic layman's understanding of metabolism. Sucrose is in plenty of "paleo" foods, like every fruit and many vegetables. It's not a magical demon molecule. Soda is bad for the reasons stated: it's nutritionally bankrupt liquid energy which registers low on satiety and high on addictiveness. But again, if you are in control of your eating and have a soda every now and then, you're probably going to be fine. Dose makes the poison.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on August 19, 2011
at 04:24 PM

Where did you get info that sugar is ok??

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B58511bcd1ecc0dd4ad8130859513c81

on July 08, 2011
at 04:42 PM

They Make a Virgils Zero Rootbeer, sweetened with Stevia if u wanted a no sugar (although not exactly paleo either).. found it at Whole Foods

B58511bcd1ecc0dd4ad8130859513c81

(430)

on July 08, 2011
at 04:44 PM

I also juice a whole lemon and add it to my water, add some lemon flavored liquid stevia, and it makes an awesome inexpensive lemonade replacement!

1
9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on May 10, 2011
at 03:37 PM

This is kind of aside from your question, but, no sugar means no sugar. Just as an experiment, try cutting sugar completely out of your diet for a week or two (try two).

You'll be surprised how much your tastes change. A piece of fruit now tastes like a candy bar (modern fruit, genetically bred and supplemented for its sugar content, has tons more sugar in it than natural fruit did in Paleo times), and unless you're a major sweet tooth, a soft drink is overwhelmingly sweet. The only way I can handle coke now is a splash in a glass of bourbon :-).

You may start to appreciate other flavors such as sour and bitter much more, and may lose your taste for the sodas altogether. As others have pointed out, a glass of sugar water is about as non-Paleo as can be and someone is sure to soapbox you about the evils of sugar and insulin...

219ce991d8c94447870c824680de53e0

(457)

on May 10, 2011
at 10:05 PM

I really dont want a soda specifically. I am just tired of water. And like I said I dont care for tea so I am just looking for anything suggestions to mix it up. And I just know I am going to get my hand slapped for this but I get the feeling like paleos look down on anyone that still likes sweet things as if they are weak or something. I mean I have been following the major premisesof Paleo for 5 months and lost 40 lbs so I think I have shwon remarkable discipline. However once in a while something sweet would be a nice change. And does stevia cause an insulin spike or not?

002d074ab094fefc344bf0d1f36091ec

(370)

on May 11, 2011
at 02:18 AM

Chris, check out this post on Stevia. Right up front there is an interesting take on "diet sprite". Perhaps it is worth trying. It's a great hack on stevia as well. :) http://paleohacks.com/questions/1457/artificial-sweetners-is-stevia-primal#axzz1M0R1l3uw

Medium avatar

(5639)

on August 19, 2011
at 04:28 PM

try 70% dark chocolate. I sometimes buy the Touch of Sea Salt bars, and have a square or two after a meal on workout days.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on August 19, 2011
at 04:28 PM

SOMETIMES is the operative here though. Myabe 1 or 2 times a month.

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B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

on May 10, 2011
at 01:19 PM

I really enjoyed Virgil's root beer before I dropped all sugary sodas.

Enjoy it if you really want to, but myomy is this is big sugary cheat.

535633b57c4a4940d1e913e7a12ee791

(1013)

on May 10, 2011
at 04:43 PM

Amen, Virgil's tastes great. But sugar is a no no for me.

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8b9096a7be46f56ca0536c6009a4804f

on March 25, 2012
at 04:08 AM

Why not Good Earth and Traditional Medicinal teas? They're more flavorful and even sweet tasting.

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B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

on July 09, 2011
at 12:02 PM

There are a wide variety of teas out there to choose from. Try experimenting.

Water with a spritz of lemon or other fruit juice is a nice change.

Unfortunately sassafras tea (authentic root beer) has been declared carcinogenic, or I would recommend that. I remember my dad made up a batch when I was a kid and it was oh so good.

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002d074ab094fefc344bf0d1f36091ec

on May 10, 2011
at 01:46 PM

I'd recommend checking out Steaz. They have a root beer that is actually sparkling green tea, and is quite good. I bought it at our local grocer, and was surprised to find it there. It was at the very bottom shelf, so I did not see it at first. :) This brand is also sweetened with cane sugar, but only has 19 g per serving, and it is 1.5 servings in the 12 oz glass bottle. It is USDA certified organic with it's ingredients.

Normally I don't drink anything but water, coconut water, or homemade sun tea, but I bought this as a special treat to congratulate myself on all of my hard work and success. It was around $4 for a 4-pack, and in my mind a better alternative to diet soda.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 10, 2011
at 03:56 PM

particularly hot tea.... not a big fan of eating and cold drinks together in general (sorry, most of America)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 10, 2011
at 01:55 PM

Chris, the more you drink it plain, the more you'll get used to it. I used to add splenda to my tea, then honey, now nothing. Your best bet is probably local raw organic honey, but not too much!

219ce991d8c94447870c824680de53e0

(457)

on May 10, 2011
at 01:49 PM

Jessica thanks for the recommendation. Let me ask you though, do you sweeten your suntea with anything? I know what most paleos say about tea tasting good (green or regular) just as it is. but to me it is bitter and just plain old nasty.

002d074ab094fefc344bf0d1f36091ec

(370)

on May 10, 2011
at 01:55 PM

I use Honey or stevia. Make sure to sweeten the tea while it is still warm. You'll use less ingredients to sweeten it. I allow myself a little natural sweetness, which is akin to eating fruit. It's more a treat than a regular drink. If it is cold where you are, you can just boil water in a pan, and add tea bags to let simmer. :)

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 10, 2011
at 03:54 PM

the stronger and longer you steep certain teas, the more bitter they become... some people like this flavor, others, not so much. Incidentally, black tea is outstanding alongside of fat. It has tannins, like wine does, and tannins like fat. It's a very nice paring. Not sure on the science, but i've always found tea and fats to digest particularly pleasantly.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on August 19, 2011
at 04:26 PM

tartare, I drink half pure grass-fed heavy cream and hot black tea every morning...then cream and iced tea in the afternoon every day!

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