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Sugar, for the hundreth time.

Commented on February 14, 2014
Created February 13, 2014 at 4:22 AM

Okay, i did it already once this year and im going to do it again.

Im not trying to lose weight. Im trying to gain energy and focus.

I work out three times a week (and i want more) and i work a very active job second shift. I was pulling off IF but it was too restrictive for my schedule and workout regimen. I want to eat something when i get home from work and i thoroughly enjoy breakfast. I have a wicked fast metabolism and am always hungry, when i run out of food at work sugar is everywhere. Once i have some i go all mr. Hyde and can and will find sugar in any form and eat it until it is gone. Im a full-blown addict.

My question really is, ive learned vlc does not work for me but ive become very carb phobic and starting tomorrow (actually 5 hours ago) no more sugar, ive learned my lesson. Only question is how many sweet potatoes, and when. I prefer only some spinach and shrooms in my morning omelette with bacon then coconut oil in my coffee. I normally want to eat before work 12-1 and i always want to eat when i get my dinner break 530-6 im hungry everywhere in between though in fact i cant remember a time where putting more food in my mouth wasnt a good idea. Any suggestions?

7160a3fb485cb0af573c0292fdb08144

(35)

on February 14, 2014
at 06:48 PM

So by your logic, if sucrose is unhealthy, then fruit is also unhealthy and should be avoided? That ignores evidence of entire populations who have thrived while including large amounts of sweet potatoes and fruits in their diet. I personally limit my carb intake to around 100 grams a day because I get fat if I eat too many. That's not the case with most people, especially if they're not already metabolically damaged.

7160a3fb485cb0af573c0292fdb08144

(35)

on February 14, 2014
at 04:33 PM

And you missed the entire point of my post that some people do better on diets that contain more natural sugars. If OP is lean and isn't metabolically deranged, he might do just fine on sugars from fruit and tubers.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 14, 2014
at 03:40 PM

Sucrose (glucose+fructose) from pastries and sucrose from anything else (even if it sounds nice and harmless) is still sucrose. Chemistry doesn't lie, people do. And telling someone the sugar from a fruit, tuber, or whatever is healthy is a flat out lie. It's the exact same thing chemically and just as unhealthy.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 14, 2014
at 03:36 PM

You missed the entire point of my comment above. By the way, "healthy sugar" is an oxymoron, if it's a source of of sugar, it's not very healthy. A sugar addict doesn't need encouragement to eat more sugar, they do that already. They need motivation to kick the sugar habit, not to be told to eat more of the stuff that will keep them hooked on it.

7160a3fb485cb0af573c0292fdb08144

(35)

on February 14, 2014
at 03:27 PM

Not necessarily. I wasn't encouraging him to live on cupcakes and pastries. There's nothing wrong with getting your sugar from healthy sources though.

52c9752a7944acc73f13db48fef20517

on February 14, 2014
at 07:02 AM

I used to track, religiously. To the point it really became a problem. I fully understand macros and intake and all that. Its just day to day isnt the same for me. For instance today i got up n dod my wod now ive been at work and will be here sixteen hours so ill probably only get two hours sleep and then get up have breakfast and work my regular 8 hours. Basically im trying to relearn to trust and listen to my body.

907af25a18afe770d8937dea479e997d

on February 14, 2014
at 04:40 AM

Sounds like you need to UP your fat intake to blunt your carb cravings and create satiety (the feeling of being full). The increased fat will also be a superior source of energy (and it is preferred by your body and your brain). Add some grass fed butter to your coffee/diet. I make a bulletproof style coffee in the morning that contains half a can of coconut milk or cream, 2 tablespoons of grass fed butter and 3 tablespoons of coconut oil. Its also great to have about an hour before working out. I dare you to be craving carbs after that! :-)

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 14, 2014
at 03:17 AM

Sounds like an improvement. Keep it up. Small changes over time in the right direction certainly do make a difference. @paleot's suggestion is a good one, tracking in the beginning is positive as it gives you an idea of what you are consuming. You might be surprised at what you find.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on February 14, 2014
at 02:57 AM

It sounds like you're doing some rough tracking. Get on cronometer.com and do strict tracking for a few days and you should have a good idea of where you're actually at. It'll be tempting to let the tracking influence your food choices, but that'll still give you an idea of what the day might have looked like.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 13, 2014
at 11:28 PM

Telling someone with a sugar addiction to "continue to get sugar" because some other people in a remote island somewhere in the Pacific who lead radically different lives do so and seem to be alright, is clearly not the best advice. The OP seeks to limit sugar, let's provide solutions not encourage the problem. It would be like going to an alcoholics anonymous meeting and hearing advice like: continue drinking alcohol, just make sure you get it from wine since it has healthy anti-oxidants. There is a problem here and it needs to be addressed, not swept under the rug.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on February 13, 2014
at 11:14 PM

If OP wasn't a "full-blown addict" who goes "Mr. Hyde" mode on sugar, finding it in any form and eating until it's gone, perhaps a higher carbohydrate macronutrient would work. But it sounds like they weren't able to pull off VLC or IF, or even make it to lunch without a sugar crash with complaints of an extra fast metabolism (or rather, insulin / leptin resistance.) Under this dilemma, I don't see making sugar the prime form of energy as the solution. OP has so much genetically invested into carbs / insulin that a gradual transition to primarily running on fats should be the goal.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 13, 2014
at 09:20 PM

Use erythritol, sold as Z-sweet if you absolutely cannot control your sugar cravings. It is all-natural as it does occur naturally in fruits. Most importantly however, it will not raise blood glucose and will pass through your body in the urine completely unchanged and with no toxicity. Only downside (there always has to be one) is that it is somewhat expensive.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on February 13, 2014
at 09:08 AM

on the subject of eating fats with your carbs, Jaminet did a related post called How to Minimize Hyperglycemic Toxicity on reducing the effective GI of foods (tho i would prob term it GL myself, glycemic load, rather than GI).

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52c9752a7944acc73f13db48fef20517

on February 14, 2014
at 02:43 AM

@paleot @TheGastronomer thank you guys. I am trying to run on fats but i must be getting something wrong. I had two sweet potatoes today n the rest of my carbs were spinach arugala broccoli and mushrooms. Am i getting that right? N i had a pretty healthy spoonful of coconut oil with/on both taters.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on February 14, 2014
at 02:57 AM

It sounds like you're doing some rough tracking. Get on cronometer.com and do strict tracking for a few days and you should have a good idea of where you're actually at. It'll be tempting to let the tracking influence your food choices, but that'll still give you an idea of what the day might have looked like.

52c9752a7944acc73f13db48fef20517

on February 14, 2014
at 07:02 AM

I used to track, religiously. To the point it really became a problem. I fully understand macros and intake and all that. Its just day to day isnt the same for me. For instance today i got up n dod my wod now ive been at work and will be here sixteen hours so ill probably only get two hours sleep and then get up have breakfast and work my regular 8 hours. Basically im trying to relearn to trust and listen to my body.

907af25a18afe770d8937dea479e997d

on February 14, 2014
at 04:40 AM

Sounds like you need to UP your fat intake to blunt your carb cravings and create satiety (the feeling of being full). The increased fat will also be a superior source of energy (and it is preferred by your body and your brain). Add some grass fed butter to your coffee/diet. I make a bulletproof style coffee in the morning that contains half a can of coconut milk or cream, 2 tablespoons of grass fed butter and 3 tablespoons of coconut oil. Its also great to have about an hour before working out. I dare you to be craving carbs after that! :-)

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 14, 2014
at 03:17 AM

Sounds like an improvement. Keep it up. Small changes over time in the right direction certainly do make a difference. @paleot's suggestion is a good one, tracking in the beginning is positive as it gives you an idea of what you are consuming. You might be surprised at what you find.

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7160a3fb485cb0af573c0292fdb08144

on February 13, 2014
at 09:52 PM

If you're a relatively fit person, there's no reason to go low carb. Continue to get fair amounts of sugar from fruits and sweet potatoes. The Kitavans are a group of people in the south Pacific. They live mainly off of fruits, sweet potatoes, fish, and coconut. There is virtually zero obesity, and their caloric percentages are as such: 70% carbs, 20% fat, 10% protein. Giving up all sources of sugar is not for everyone though anyone struggling with weight gain should certainly give it up at least until they reach optimal weight.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on February 13, 2014
at 11:14 PM

If OP wasn't a "full-blown addict" who goes "Mr. Hyde" mode on sugar, finding it in any form and eating until it's gone, perhaps a higher carbohydrate macronutrient would work. But it sounds like they weren't able to pull off VLC or IF, or even make it to lunch without a sugar crash with complaints of an extra fast metabolism (or rather, insulin / leptin resistance.) Under this dilemma, I don't see making sugar the prime form of energy as the solution. OP has so much genetically invested into carbs / insulin that a gradual transition to primarily running on fats should be the goal.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 13, 2014
at 11:28 PM

Telling someone with a sugar addiction to "continue to get sugar" because some other people in a remote island somewhere in the Pacific who lead radically different lives do so and seem to be alright, is clearly not the best advice. The OP seeks to limit sugar, let's provide solutions not encourage the problem. It would be like going to an alcoholics anonymous meeting and hearing advice like: continue drinking alcohol, just make sure you get it from wine since it has healthy anti-oxidants. There is a problem here and it needs to be addressed, not swept under the rug.

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Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on February 13, 2014
at 06:30 AM

I think 600 carbohydrate calories is a good goal for a day. That's 150g, which should be more than enough (100g is an even better goal), yet under the 200g+ mark that a lot of sugarholics like to eat. You could eat a sweet potato with every meal if you wanted to. Generally, I think it's better to eat carbs shortly after a fatty meal or with one, rather than by themselves after a carby meal and longer period of time.

Try larger meals with less carbs and more fats, do that daily for a few months while avoiding any crashes, and your sugar crashes should be a thing of the past.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on February 13, 2014
at 09:08 AM

on the subject of eating fats with your carbs, Jaminet did a related post called How to Minimize Hyperglycemic Toxicity on reducing the effective GI of foods (tho i would prob term it GL myself, glycemic load, rather than GI).

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F92f0b6a3fe3d45a489e020076904f2f

on February 13, 2014
at 04:30 AM

I can't answer your question but I can tell you this... I was also a full blown sugar addict. Weight was not really an issue because I was young but my lunch everday was an energy drink and several pieces of candy.

It was so hard for me (and stressful) to go sugar cold-turkey. I tried and failed so many times. Recently I just gave up and now I have no sugar (including honey, molasses, brown sugar, etc) but if I have a craving I'll make butter tea with Stevia (the one with Erythritol only, no dextrose or maltytol, etc) or fried platains with stevia. Just a thought if sugar is your vice...

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