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Paleo Sweet Tooth

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM

The previous post on honey got me thinking about this:

If sugar is evil, agave nectar is the devil, honey should be avoided, artificial sweeteners are chemical poison and fruit is a big "no-no" then what in the world do experienced paleo dieters eat when they are craving something sweet? While I should perhaps jump on the bandwagon and change my thinking to correlate food as nothing but fuel for my body, its just not always that easy.

Sometimes I want to live a little! But every time I do it seems that someone is always jumping down my throat about what I use to cure my paleo sweet tooth. So I leave up to you guys- when you really want something sweet what do you opt for? Which is the lesser of all these so-called evils?

"In very very small amounts of course"

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

(1031)

on November 20, 2012
at 10:59 AM

Modern fruits are bred to be large and very sweet. They contain a lot of fructose that the body converts to fat preferentially. Fructose also leads to elevated levels of uric acid which amongst other things causes gout.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on October 21, 2012
at 01:00 PM

Poorly stated, but yeah, fruit is paleo.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 21, 2012
at 03:56 AM

Oh yeah, and for drinks, for some reason sour is similar in satisfaction to sweet. So unsweetened cranberry, and lime water work instead of soft drinks and sweet juices.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 21, 2012
at 03:54 AM

This is definately true and worth noting and the pervailing experience, as well as mine. If you eat less sweet, you taste more sweet in the foods you eat.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 21, 2012
at 03:21 AM

Insulin response without being met by calories, and a possible carcinogen. I wouldnt say thats no negative effects. (Tobacco and deadly nightshade are natural too)

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on July 30, 2011
at 03:22 PM

I eat lots of fruit. As a treat, I melt a square of unsweetened baking chocolate and stir in about 2 tsp of blackstrap molasses, then mix in some nuts. Takes me about a week to nibble a batch and there's a nice balance of "cheat" and nutrition.

Cc93847bfa820f0f2da654060b401fa5

(746)

on July 30, 2011
at 09:43 AM

Fruit is as paleo as it gets. Eat it. Eat all you want.

B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

(3909)

on July 30, 2011
at 05:25 AM

I don't think you have to stop enjoying food to be paleo. If anything, you can start to enjoy it more. Start savoring what real food tastes like instead of drowning everything with sugar.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 30, 2011
at 12:25 AM

Mmmmmm, oh yeah

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 30, 2011
at 12:24 AM

Once you've been off sugar for a while, sweet potatoes are like sweet pastries for dessert. I wouldn't use the sweetener in those recipes because my taste buds have "reset."

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 30, 2011
at 12:18 AM

+1 for berries in coconut milk or cream

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 23, 2010
at 09:08 PM

The Ice Dream Cookbook shows how to make ice cream out of it. That, plus very dark chocolate, are my indulgences. I'm a foodie, not a caveman, after all.

Af842c68e3d07fa0e35b4274f3acaeec

on June 23, 2010
at 03:54 PM

The amount you can include also depends on your activity level. If you're doing hard met-cons 5 times a week or so, you might be able to allow yourself 2-3 servings of fruit a day. Sweet potatoes are better for glycogen replenishment post-workout, but eating some fruit won't kill you or your performance.

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B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

on July 30, 2011
at 05:20 AM

When you cut down on sugar your tastebuds will change so that you enjoy things you used to think needed sugar. I drink my herbal tea without any sweetener these days and enjoy having a piece of fruit here and there. If I'm making a paleo version of something that normally has sugar or HFCS (ketchup, for example) I will use honey, perhaps even cutting down on the amount I add. Things I used to think tasted normal now taste unbearably sweet to me. It's just a matter of cutting down for awhile and you will want less. It's almost like our tastebuds regain their sensitivity to sweet again when we stop bombarding them with so much sugar.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 21, 2012
at 03:54 AM

This is definately true and worth noting and the pervailing experience, as well as mine. If you eat less sweet, you taste more sweet in the foods you eat.

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on July 29, 2011
at 10:27 PM

half a sweet potato, canned pumpkin, or butternut squash with butter or coconut oil and some cinnamon and nutmeg. Make into a mousse by throwing it in the food processor with some coconut milk or cream and whip.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 30, 2011
at 12:25 AM

Mmmmmm, oh yeah

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on July 29, 2011
at 10:20 PM

After seeing the part of Human Planet where the guy climbs some crazy tall tree and braves the bees to bring his wife some honey, I'm pretty sure our ancestors had the occasional sweet treat. I think the key is that it was a very rare indulgence and they had to deal with bees for honey, thorns for many berries, etc.

Therefore, it was an occasional treat, not a part of the diet.

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5d80aff9563aae9d350e632b20905ec1

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on June 23, 2010
at 05:41 PM

I have a major sweet tooth that I'm trying to tame. On occasion I will eat 85% dark chocolate, which is actually more bitter than sweet, but does satisfy that chocolate craving. I'll also do blueberries in heavy cream (coconut cream would work too.)

Speaking of coconut, Robb Wolf has mentioned eating 100% cocoa nibs and coconut chips on his podcast. I haven't tried it, but it sounds good.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 30, 2011
at 12:18 AM

+1 for berries in coconut milk or cream

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Af842c68e3d07fa0e35b4274f3acaeec

on June 23, 2010
at 03:50 PM

Try to wean yourself off of the sweets for a while. Most people are literally addicted to sugar, so even on a paleo diet, you've got to stay away from it if you can't control it. After a while, you can reintroduce some fruit in your diet, just make sure that you keep it moderate, and try to go for the more nutrient dense stuff like berries. Fruits are not that bad, you just really need to moderate your consumption of them, and if you're trying to lean out, think about eliminating them completely until you're as lean as you want. Hope this helps!

Af842c68e3d07fa0e35b4274f3acaeec

on June 23, 2010
at 03:54 PM

The amount you can include also depends on your activity level. If you're doing hard met-cons 5 times a week or so, you might be able to allow yourself 2-3 servings of fruit a day. Sweet potatoes are better for glycogen replenishment post-workout, but eating some fruit won't kill you or your performance.

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 21, 2012
at 03:45 AM

Well, I think it depends. Theres a tribe that eats most of their calories from honey and fruit (lots of both), and they dont have diseases of civilisation, so that really suggests that quick sugars, in whole foods, are no issue if you are getting heaps of exercise.

Fruit and honey are both foods you can get in the bush, even if they take effort.

A good idea, something I am planning on bringing in (I am a sweet tooth), is sweet foods after/around exercise, both for recovery/health and as a reward.

If you dont try and move about lots (which isnt really paleo anyway), or your insulin mechanisms are screwed up, then you may want to be alot more moderate. In such a case, you can go with something like blueberries (all berries are low sugar, also apples and pears are fairly low) with cream/yogurt/coconut milk.

Glucose is less of a health issue than fructose, but glucose isnt as sweet as sucrose.

But Honey has nutrients, and insulin like compounds and health benefits, and inverted type sugars (where fructose and glucose are split, rather than in one molecule) are sweeter per calorie of carbs.

General consensus is that honey is the most paleo, and healthfulest (if you can consider anything on paleohacks a consensus, lol).

Id say glucose aint a bad option either, even though its refined, given its got no fructose (but its not as sweet, and if your the kind of person who is worried about GI, youll have to have it with a fat, like greek yogurt or whipped cream in order to slow its absorbtion. It requires no processing, its the bodies native sugar)

But yeah, its a personal call. Moderate, and move alot is my advice. Sugars are addictive too, so using them moderately requires willpower (but then so does avoiding them).

Excess honey, sucrose (table sugar), while inactive will overload you liver. Excess any carbs while inactive will mess with your insulin sensitivity. But if you move alot, it really looks like you can handle some kind of level, and given the tribe I mentioned, that level could be quite high (honey and fruit, both have fructose, and they are all quick carbs)

IDK if sugar is really the devil. A healthy metabolism should be able to handle it. Its got the same carbs in it as a pinapple (sucrose). But absurdly large amounts of it (sweeter than anything needs to be), along with inactivity, is doubtless the cause of a lot of modern disease IMO. So I beleive the key is in the quantity and the context.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 21, 2012
at 03:56 AM

Oh yeah, and for drinks, for some reason sour is similar in satisfaction to sweet. So unsweetened cranberry, and lime water work instead of soft drinks and sweet juices.

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C00cc9bc66aa7246a471dc49e472d53f

on October 21, 2012
at 02:54 AM

Fuck all of you. Fucking fruit nazis. Fruit is paleo. Eat it when your sweet tooth hits.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on October 21, 2012
at 01:00 PM

Poorly stated, but yeah, fruit is paleo.

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

(1031)

on November 20, 2012
at 10:59 AM

Modern fruits are bred to be large and very sweet. They contain a lot of fructose that the body converts to fat preferentially. Fructose also leads to elevated levels of uric acid which amongst other things causes gout.

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A0b8c4cc369f93ee987ce15b1bf323fe

on July 29, 2011
at 10:31 PM

All cravings for sweet foods have disappeared for me, yet now I find myself craving fatty treats, such as almond butter or macadamias. Still trying to resist eating too many nuts!

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on July 29, 2011
at 09:10 PM

Dates pitted and sliced in half with a pecan stuck into each half is also truly tasty!!

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8b091a39f1c0811418e1da4175638115

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on June 23, 2010
at 09:09 PM

Try freezing grapes. It is an awesome snack! I've had some extremely tasty 85% chocolate as well, but it is pricy.

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485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

on June 23, 2010
at 08:40 PM

Stevia is a natural sweetener that does not result in the negative effects of the sweeteners you mentioned. Find the stuff without the maltodextrin. I use the powder in my tea and it's great. I have not found it to cause or contribute to sweet cravings.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 23, 2010
at 09:08 PM

The Ice Dream Cookbook shows how to make ice cream out of it. That, plus very dark chocolate, are my indulgences. I'm a foodie, not a caveman, after all.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 21, 2012
at 03:21 AM

Insulin response without being met by calories, and a possible carcinogen. I wouldnt say thats no negative effects. (Tobacco and deadly nightshade are natural too)

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647ae1f5aa7f7a3939ef5a0608059ac1

on June 23, 2010
at 04:57 PM

I find when I put fruit in the freezer after it is borderline "too ripe" it conserves it and taste twice as sweet as when it is ripe/fresh. With this said, I only eat 1/4 or 1/2 of the fruit because it is so much sweeter out of the freezer. Just like fudge is dense and you can't eat a bunch of it. My favorite fruit in the freezer is banana, mango and raspberries.

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on October 21, 2012
at 08:13 AM

I like to make fruit Popsicles with bananas and berries, and also coconut milk ice cream with vanilla and fruits to sweeten. Sometimes I'll use a little honey or agave syrup or a pinch of salt to enhance it but never excessively. A ripe banana goes a really long way.

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on June 22, 2012
at 04:18 PM

We are new to this diet and so far like it but there are times . . . . . . . Thanks for this input on the sweets it helps a lot.

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on June 23, 2010
at 06:47 PM

Thanks for all the great feedback. Those are all great suggestions. I definitely don't have sweets too often but I want to know when I do that I am choosing the best option possible. It seems like from the thread that fruit is optimal so I will keep that in mind.

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B485f0cf678c0b420941e883adfea28d

on June 23, 2010
at 05:19 PM

At this point, for me, any sort of fruit is a treat and a once in a while sort of thing. I usually never eat it during the week, save it for the weekends. When I do eat it, however, I don't really worry about how much I eat. Since I haven't eaten it all week or sometimes two weeks at a time I go nuts. Some may disagree with my approach, but it works for me.

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on June 23, 2010
at 04:02 PM

My personal opinion is that too much sweet is bad for you. But, a fruit here and there or 1/4 of a teaspoon of raw, unfiltered, non pasteurized honey here and there, is not going to kill you. However, It should not be a staple food.

I posted about it on my blog recently here.

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624739a8bc118c0f5f03a25c2d68cfaa

on June 23, 2010
at 05:25 PM

Keep it simple - when you are on limited carbs, fats can taste mighty sweet --> almonds or almond milk is my fix... That blended with some cinnamon, nutmeg and sweetpotato for some added nutrients. Sweet potato shake, couple different recipes you can modify to make completely paleo.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 30, 2011
at 12:24 AM

Once you've been off sugar for a while, sweet potatoes are like sweet pastries for dessert. I wouldn't use the sweetener in those recipes because my taste buds have "reset."

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