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I think I need some help... Please help me hack my experience

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 09, 2012 at 10:49 PM

So, I have been doing great. Went to Whole Foods, had a salad. For whatever reason, I decided it would be okay to have a huge frozen yogurt (ie: Sugar and corn syrup that they call healthy). After the yogurt, I was hungrier than before I started. I literally could not help myself. I bought some scones and ate the whole bag (it was a big bag), and that just made me want more. It's like being in Hell, especially because I have cancer and I know I should not be eating this way.

I am trying to use this experience to understand what happened. Particularly, why I am actually hungrier after I eat something huge and sugary.

I am also trying to decide if I am better off low carb/ketosis - it seems to kill the cravings- or having a scheduled cheat?

I just don't understand what my body is doing. Yesterday was my last day on steroids...maybe they are messing me up?

TY for any input at all :-/

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Yes, I take them right before and after chemo :-/

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on July 10, 2012
at 03:00 PM

Protein blunts hunger. That salad may not have had enough. To paraphrase J. Stanton, if you are still hungry, you didn't eat enough meat. Also, see this: http://paleohacks.com/questions/81139/is-beef-your-best-appetite-suppressant#axzz2096jY5ZR

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on July 10, 2012
at 02:03 PM

Even if your cravings/binges are cancer or steroid-related and not a lifelong issue for you, OA might still be a way to help yourself in the short term.

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on July 10, 2012
at 02:02 PM

You might look into OA. They're not just for overeaters, but for *anyone* with food issues - binge eaters, bulimics, food addicts. I do think the cancer is probably exacerbating whatever sugar binge tendencies you might have *already* had. Those cancer cells are screaming out for sugar - they don't wanna die, know what I mean? Kind of like people with yeast overgrowth craving bread. Anyway, yeah...couldn't hurt to check out OA. Meetings can be very therapeutic, if for no other reason than to see plenty of people who have exactly the same destructive relationship with food so many of us share.

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:49 AM

@Annie: No, it did not feel like a conscious decision where I had a choice. This is why I am asking for help. I felt like it was beyond my control. If this has never happened to you, you are lucky and you would not understand.

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:42 PM

Chinaeskimo, this isn't just "happening" you are making a conscious decision to eat sugar. Once you eat sugar, more and more cravings follow, and it becomes harder to resist. With your diagnosis, stay completely away from the cancer food (sugar).

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:40 PM

Because Camilla is correct, sugar is like crack and it induces more cravings. In your situation, with the cancer RX, I would stay completely away from sugar. Period.

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:37 PM

I have no idea why - I have had these issues for as long as I can remember (I had binging/sugar issues even as a small child). Looking back now, I suspect some of it has to do with my diet as an infant - I was told I was put on skim milk at around six months because I resembled a basketball more than a baby (I was on early -70s vintage formula prior).

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:37 PM

DO you think 10 mg would do it?

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:32 PM

I try, I am trying, then something like this happens.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:31 PM

@Camilla: Interesting. We are the same. Do you have any clue why?

Ca8111fb6e3bac177373a82f5d33910d

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:07 PM

I'm the same way, except that even a piece of fruit can trigger a sugar binge. Perhaps it is the crack-like reactions in the brain? For me, there is no moderation when it comes to sweets, and unfortunately, I think a lot of us are messed up like that. Also, given that cancer cells feed off of glucose, would it be better to try to stay ketogenic?

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:25 PM

Steroids causes a HUGE HUGE increase in hunger. The hunger from prednisone can literally feel like insanity. I am going to bet that the prednisone is why this happened.

If you have to have steroids again, make sure and have a bunch of healthier choices around you so that you don't fall prey to the strong cravings.

Good luck to you!

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:37 PM

DO you think 10 mg would do it?

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:17 PM

Yes. Please limit glucose if you have malignant cells. That is what they eat. Starve your cancer.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:32 PM

I try, I am trying, then something like this happens.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on July 09, 2012
at 11:42 PM

Chinaeskimo, this isn't just "happening" you are making a conscious decision to eat sugar. Once you eat sugar, more and more cravings follow, and it becomes harder to resist. With your diagnosis, stay completely away from the cancer food (sugar).

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:49 AM

@Annie: No, it did not feel like a conscious decision where I had a choice. This is why I am asking for help. I felt like it was beyond my control. If this has never happened to you, you are lucky and you would not understand.

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on July 10, 2012
at 12:19 PM

Steroids can absolutely make you ravenous -- are you taking them for a few days around a chemo treatment? If so making sure you only have access to healthy foods next time you're on them might help -- it is so hard to resist all the "treats" at the store when strun out on steroids and also probably feeling crappy and sad about the cancer and chemo (like "dammit the lead I deserve is frozen yogurt! Look how i suffer!").

Even without chemo and steroids I can get very bingey with sweets/carbs -- it's a common problem and you shouldn't beat yourself up. Food behavior is complicated. For me the most important thing is identifying the triggers and avoiding those -- for instance one piece of candy of at work will inevitably lead to 10 pieces of candy us a slice of gross birthday cake plus a cookie from the cafeteria for the drive home... So I dont have the first piece of candy.

Good luck and be gentle with yourself -- tomorrow is another day.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Yes, I take them right before and after chemo :-/

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on July 10, 2012
at 12:28 AM

Sugar is addictive. It is very similar to that other white powdery substance - as you as you have some, you have to have more. I find my past issues with binging SOOOOO much better once I eliminate almost all sugar. I have a couple squares of dark chocolate every day, and some berries with cinnamon for an after-dinner dessert.

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:43 PM

Rather than attempt a ketogenic diet or one including a cheat day weekly, why not attempt a more moderate carbohydrate intake in an attempt to sate the cravings? If that doesn't do it, I think it's likely that you're just having major addiction-y desires for yummy junk. If that's the case, there's nothing to do but suck it up and abstain from your slop margin foods. Don't attempt to limit any of the good stuff and don't let your brain attempt to justify another bag of scones.

Good luck. Just breathe easy and move on.

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