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Do you think Sugar is 100% to blame?

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Created April 02, 2012 at 5:18 PM

The 60 min interview got me thinking. Do you think Sugar is 100% to blame or it is the combo of sugar + ...be it wheat or dairy etc. What about the different forms of sugar -- fructose - glucose etc. I know there are arguments for both sides Paleo vs people who follow 80/10/10 -- no fat bot lots of fructose-they have boundless energy. I have to admit I have been chewing sugarFULL gum a lot lately -- Glee Gum to be exact. I chew A LOT A LOT A LOT--it is my stress reliever ---YES I KNOW IT IS BAD--but I have so much more energy and feel better chewing this sugar. What gives?

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on May 09, 2012
at 11:39 PM

does....anyone? I can't imagine that anyone would subscribe to such a theory given what we know about linoleic acid and fat regulation in animals.

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on April 03, 2012
at 04:52 AM

@Mscott, watch it here: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7403942n&tag=contentMain%3BcontentAux

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on April 03, 2012
at 01:44 AM

I would argue that polyunsaturated fatty acids from grain oils is a big driver in glycation.

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on April 03, 2012
at 01:37 AM

Having not seen the 60 min interview: to blame for what?

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on April 02, 2012
at 08:40 PM

This is not a nice answer. Glycation is desirable in many cases, and is one of the biggest uses of carbohydrate by the body. Ketones are not preferred by most of the body. It does take a lot of excess glucose for DNL to occur, and up to 50g of fructose before problems start. The upper limits are much higher if you're active.

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on April 02, 2012
at 08:10 PM

I go WHEAT then corn followed by Soy but I hear ya.

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on April 02, 2012
at 06:57 PM

I can't actually tell if you are joking. Maybe add a winky. ;-) But fructarianism could fit that bill, I suppose -- good call.

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on April 02, 2012
at 06:54 PM

It's just raw fruitarianism. We all come from monkeys and monkeys only eat bananas. No joke.

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on April 02, 2012
at 06:32 PM

Nice answer, and glad to have you on paleohacks! Took a peek at your blog and it's quite interesting...

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on April 02, 2012
at 05:58 PM

I looked up Glee Gum, doesn't look too bad. One thing I used to do instead of chewing gum was to use the sinew from beef jerky. You can chew it for hours just like gum.

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on April 02, 2012
at 05:56 PM

I looked up Glee Gum, doesn't look too bad. Maybe the better option here would be to critique the 60 Min. story. It could have been better.

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on April 02, 2012
at 06:09 PM

No, sugar is not 100% to blame.... There are certain fats that contribute to inflammation and this doesn't help that part of the metabolic syndrome.

Fructose is worse than glucose because only the liver and adipose tissues are able to process it. However, I consider glucose to also be a major player. Any excess glucose (and it doesn't take much since only certain brain axons and fast acting fast twitch white muscle cells require glucose). The reason for this is important. These axons and these muscle cells cannot or don't contain mitochondria! Anywhere you have mitochondria, they are more than happy with ketones, the end product of fat breakdown when glucose is not available. SINCE most cells have mitochondria, energy production by ketones and not sugars is preferred.

Glucose and fructose glycate proteins. This changes their shape. This changes their function. And they also become more immunogenic. This DOES cause major problems. Fats are not responsible for this effect.

Glucose and fructose are addictive. They do indeed activate dopaminergic neurons in the the brain responsible for reward. Grain-based PUFA can activate endocannabanoids. Thus, the sugars AND the fats can both contribute to overeating. Eating fats alone has not been associated with addiction, however. However, given sufficient time, anything can be made addictive, including fats. Sugars, however, need no such time for most people.

I vote that we say 92% sugar and 8% fats from grain oils. Yes, I pulled the number out of a posterior private part of my body...

Which tells you that the basic story of eating meat, fish, vegetables, few fruits and no grains, legumes, minimal dairy (yes, if I may say, the central dogma of Paleo Nutrition), works so very well for most people!

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on April 03, 2012
at 01:44 AM

I would argue that polyunsaturated fatty acids from grain oils is a big driver in glycation.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

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on April 02, 2012
at 08:40 PM

This is not a nice answer. Glycation is desirable in many cases, and is one of the biggest uses of carbohydrate by the body. Ketones are not preferred by most of the body. It does take a lot of excess glucose for DNL to occur, and up to 50g of fructose before problems start. The upper limits are much higher if you're active.

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on April 02, 2012
at 06:32 PM

Nice answer, and glad to have you on paleohacks! Took a peek at your blog and it's quite interesting...

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on April 02, 2012
at 05:50 PM

It's a combo but sugar I think has the most immediate impact and it's extremely pervasive. Next is corn in all its forms and wheat which are everywhere as well. Then add in vegetable oils and their screwy fat profiles and you've got an answer for a ton of our common day disease.

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on April 02, 2012
at 08:10 PM

I go WHEAT then corn followed by Soy but I hear ya.

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on April 02, 2012
at 07:17 PM

My thinking has evolved slightly but only that. Other than my first 2 months after dropping SAD I've had 1-2 pieces of whole fruit (one being a whole grapefruit) nearly every day for the past 10 months. I tend to eat VL-starch because all the things I like and handle well are low starch.

My current opinion (for my own food choices) is that as long as I'm only eating moderate carbs I feel free to eat 10-20g of whole-fruit fructose. My current total sugar intake is the honey I add to my coffee which, of course, adds to my fructose tally but doesn't put me in SAD territory.

TC/HDL=2.4, blood pressure 130s/mid-70s, strong slow pulse, loss of est. 50 lbs including loss of 6+" off my waist, fasting blood glucose mid-80s, in fact the only anomaly on my blood panel was normal BUN/creatinine but my ratio was just under the normal range.

In my case, neither sugar nor fructose were "to blame." A combination of susceptibility to wheat intolerance and anxiety/depression caused me to seek comfort from junk food and I ate so much junk it would probably have killed someone with more fragile natural health.

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on April 02, 2012
at 05:50 PM

This was great to get the word out to the public, but they missed a few things. First, artificial sweeteners. There have been studies recently showing that the body reacts similarly to both refined sugar and artificial. Second, they mention that we went low fat and the diseases it was meant to prevent skyrocketed. It would be nice to see what those same doctors have to say about fat. I think that it is a combination of these things as well as other chemicals from food processing and the environment. You can't pin the downfall of the nation's health to just sugar.

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on April 02, 2012
at 05:49 PM

  1. Sugar is to blame for...? Obesity? General unhealth? Your father being turned into a newt?

  2. "A LOT". Fixed that for you. ;-)

  3. Can you give some references for 80/10/10 C/P/F macronutrient diets? I can't say I've ever heard of that one before.

  4. If your gum is giving you superpowers, it doesn't sound that bad.

You might want to search around PH for more general discussions about sugar. Sugar is a key player in the cornucopia of metabolic syndrome, but it alone is not to blame.

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on April 02, 2012
at 06:54 PM

It's just raw fruitarianism. We all come from monkeys and monkeys only eat bananas. No joke.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 02, 2012
at 06:57 PM

I can't actually tell if you are joking. Maybe add a winky. ;-) But fructarianism could fit that bill, I suppose -- good call.

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