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Dextrose as a carb source in special cases?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 28, 2011 at 4:13 PM

There are some conditions where it makes sense to avoid most carbohydrates, like in my case to cure SIBO and IBD by following a FODMAP/SCD/GAPS-style diet. This leave me with glucose.

A few diets - the optimal diet, the lutz diet, the perfect health diet - call for specific amounts of carbohydrates. 60g, 72g, 100g respectively. I guess 72g is a prudent amount in general. But I have my doubts about using dextrose to reach it. What approach do you think would be best in my case?

Why eat carbs at all? To ease gluconeogenesis and avoid mucus deficiency.

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on December 19, 2012
at 05:37 PM

I still eat zero carb or close to zero carb. No plants or carbs, just meat, egg yolks, animal fats. I haven't found carbs (including dextrose) to yield any advantage, only disadvantages. Also no probiotics, since I don't think most of them are any use when your diet is already FODMAP free.

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on November 27, 2012
at 06:32 AM

Sucrose as a complex sugar can cause more troubles that glucose alone. It should be broken to glucose and fructose which gives bacteria chance to intercept it cause troubles.

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on September 27, 2011
at 09:50 AM

I now seem to tolerate dextrose after having stopped probiotics. I'll probably stick to VLC and natural antibiotics a while longer. SIBO + probiotics = bad news. L. Acidophilus can lead to lactic acidosis.

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on September 03, 2011
at 02:59 PM

The person who downvoted this might like to leave a comment. It could be helpful.

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on September 03, 2011
at 12:19 PM

dextrose is just glucose....rice syrup will have the same effect.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on September 01, 2011
at 01:58 AM

I tried consuming more dextrose for two days and got more fatigued. Probably a bacterial cause, which really makes me wonder if antibiotics would help. Anyways, I'm back to VLC.

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on August 29, 2011
at 04:45 PM

That's an interesting question - I can't tolerate starch and fructose too.

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on August 28, 2011
at 09:21 PM

The trouble is getting there. Now that I know by experience even zucchini, fermented coconut milk and other vegetables contain enough fructose/fructans to cause problems, it looks like I'll have to stick to spinach and lettuce for a while. In Germany they sell dextrose packed in carton.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on August 28, 2011
at 09:17 PM

The trouble is getting there. Now that I know even zucchini, coconut milk and other vegetables contain enough fructose/fructans to cause problems, it looks like I'll have to stick to spinach and lettuce for a while. In Germany they sell dextrose packed in carton.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on August 28, 2011
at 09:08 PM

Well I was diagnosed with FM 4 months ago and had no improvement while sticking to rice and potatoes. Perhaps it's up to individual variance. Starch can feed bacteria too, that's why it's restricted on the SCD and GAPS diet. It wouldn't surprise me if tolerance increases once SIBO and dysbiosis are taken care of, allowing the intestine to heal and improve its ability to digest and with no unwanted bacteria around to cause problems.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on August 28, 2011
at 07:34 PM

Cutting them out of my diet and going low carb was one of the first things that helped.

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on August 28, 2011
at 06:49 PM

What about potatoes and white rice, you can't tolerate either of those?

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on August 28, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Not according to FODMAP and my own experience. I don't handle fructose well at all anymore and now many vegetables cause symptoms. I completely disagree with GAPS allowing honey and fruit.

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on August 28, 2011
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Not according to FODMAP and my own experience. I don't handle fructose well at all and many vegetables cause symptoms. I completely disagree with GAPS allowing honey and fruit.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on August 28, 2011
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I don't think I handle fructose well even in sucrose. Dextrose is not too expensive where I live so I'm more worried about about the high glycemic index of it. Not sure about Ray Peat, but I'll read the article.

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on August 28, 2011
at 04:19 PM

According to the SCS/GAPS/FODMAP protocols you can still eat an abundance of different fruits and vegetables.

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100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 29, 2011
at 03:42 PM

I don't think gluconeogenesis is particularly hard. (See my post here.) And I also personally don't think mucous deficiency is anything more than a theoretical construct on Jaminet's part to rationalize his protocol.

If you immediately felt better removing easily digestible carbs from your diet, chances are that dextrose is going to make you feel worse again. I'm interested to hear your results if you try it, though.

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on September 01, 2011
at 01:58 AM

I tried consuming more dextrose for two days and got more fatigued. Probably a bacterial cause, which really makes me wonder if antibiotics would help. Anyways, I'm back to VLC.

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on September 03, 2011
at 02:59 PM

The person who downvoted this might like to leave a comment. It could be helpful.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on September 27, 2011
at 09:50 AM

I now seem to tolerate dextrose after having stopped probiotics. I'll probably stick to VLC and natural antibiotics a while longer. SIBO + probiotics = bad news. L. Acidophilus can lead to lactic acidosis.

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on August 28, 2011
at 04:22 PM

I need to avoid FODMAPS & fruit bloats me terribly.

Dextrose is fine, but I'm too cheap to buy it!

I eat about 30-40 grams of carbs a day in the form of sucrose (sugar in my tea & dark chocolate, mostly.) I seem to be able to handle the small amount of fructose this way.

While vlc was great for me for a short time (6 weeks), I feel better with sucrose and have not found that it triggers cravings--unless I eat too much, of course!

Ray Peat offers some interesting reasons for eating sucrose in this article:

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/glycemia.shtml

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on August 28, 2011
at 04:33 PM

I don't think I handle fructose well even in sucrose. Dextrose is not too expensive where I live so I'm more worried about about the high glycemic index of it. Not sure about Ray Peat, but I'll read the article.

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on November 27, 2012
at 06:32 AM

Sucrose as a complex sugar can cause more troubles that glucose alone. It should be broken to glucose and fructose which gives bacteria chance to intercept it cause troubles.

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on August 28, 2011
at 08:49 PM

I don't think there is anything wrong with dextrose. But, I'm a bit concerned with the plastic containers it comes in. I try to limit my besphenol A exposure. Smarties:glucose candy in the United States comes wrapped in nothing, but plastic.

I love foodmap and Sue Shepperd's old guides on fructose malabsorption (FM). I can keep my SIBO (bacterial overgrowth) under control by eating white rice and potatoes. I'd actually be less restrictive on the diet in the beginning. It may only be an urban legend based on bad science, but in the world of FM there is concern that if you give up all fructose you can loss the ability to to digest fructose with glucose. Hence, I never gave up potatoes. I don't have any digestive issues, pain or bloating if I eat 150 carbs a day as long as I follow an FM diet. The longer I'm on the diet, (I've been on the FM diet for 13 months.) the more fructose and broccoli related items I can tolerate. At first, I felt overwhelmed by having to eat nothing but primarily potatoes, meat and green lettuce but slowly I've been able to reintroduce most foods. Still have issues with foods that are high in fructose/fructans like bread, onions and apples. In 3 or 4 months, you should feel like you have more options than dextrose.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on August 28, 2011
at 09:08 PM

Well I was diagnosed with FM 4 months ago and had no improvement while sticking to rice and potatoes. Perhaps it's up to individual variance. Starch can feed bacteria too, that's why it's restricted on the SCD and GAPS diet. It wouldn't surprise me if tolerance increases once SIBO and dysbiosis are taken care of, allowing the intestine to heal and improve its ability to digest and with no unwanted bacteria around to cause problems.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on August 28, 2011
at 09:17 PM

The trouble is getting there. Now that I know even zucchini, coconut milk and other vegetables contain enough fructose/fructans to cause problems, it looks like I'll have to stick to spinach and lettuce for a while. In Germany they sell dextrose packed in carton.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

(1520)

on August 28, 2011
at 09:21 PM

The trouble is getting there. Now that I know by experience even zucchini, fermented coconut milk and other vegetables contain enough fructose/fructans to cause problems, it looks like I'll have to stick to spinach and lettuce for a while. In Germany they sell dextrose packed in carton.

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on November 27, 2012
at 06:44 AM

Dean, nice question. I am planning on using dextrose too so interested in your update.

Low carb didn't work very well for me (skin problems, bad sleep, fatigue and bad mood)

So I decided to eat rice or potatoes. But they are basically glucose joined in long chains. Intestine needs to put extra effort to break them down which gives bacteria chance to cause problems.

I am planning to eat meat with fermented vegetables/fruits followed up with tea (green or ginger) sweetened with glucose.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on December 19, 2012
at 05:37 PM

I still eat zero carb or close to zero carb. No plants or carbs, just meat, egg yolks, animal fats. I haven't found carbs (including dextrose) to yield any advantage, only disadvantages. Also no probiotics, since I don't think most of them are any use when your diet is already FODMAP free.

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