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Coconut Oil and Sugar, Dangerous?:Paleo Treats

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 17, 2013 at 10:46 PM

I noticed a lot of "Paleo friendly" recipes use both these ingredients. Coconut oil is almost entirely saturated fat. Lets say you add something like mayple syrup and honey to your recipe. Do you think that this could be harmful? Especially in large doses? Obviously weight gain, but lets say it's your birthday and you make a cake. Like this one here:

http://paleospirit.com/2012/paleo-chocolate-birthday-cake-coconut-honey-frosting/

I like to make something like this every now and then, but whenever I do it, I can't just have "one piece." If anything I'll eat the whole thing over the weekend. Then I go back to an almost auto-immuneprotocol when the weekends over. It doesn't make me gain weight, but I have to question if the commotion of sugars and saturated fat is safe.

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on June 20, 2013
at 07:58 PM

I can attest. I know it's not paleo, at all, but a little tub or two of Haagen-Dazs ice-cream has left me satisfied without the need to binge. It's got fairly clean ingredients, for ice-cream. Whereas, cookies, cakes, crisps, etc are all a recipe for disaster.

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on June 19, 2013
at 06:13 AM

Great info James.

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on June 18, 2013
at 08:55 PM

No. I think coconut's better than butter/clarified ghee, simply due to the MCT's. A better solution is to find your triggers and not binge. :P

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on June 18, 2013
at 05:04 PM

Precisely. I only ask because I'm a bit of a "binger" on the weekends and instead of pigging futon gluten and processed junk, I always make myself a little paleo treat. I won't lie, I eat A LOT of it. haha, but then I go back to strict paleo during the week which is anywhere from 50-70 net carbs every day, or every other day. I'll just try to mix it up a bit and use some different ingredients. Would butter/ Clarified Ghee, be a better option maybe? Since it's not ALL saturated fat?

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on June 18, 2013
at 06:27 AM

@daz I was actually told by someone here on PaleoHacks that fat and sugar together cause triglycerides, but I'll have to check it out for myself.

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on June 18, 2013
at 02:47 AM

Well, it's literally true that triglycerides are made of fat and sugar, but I don't know if ingesting them at the same time actually influences how much you make.

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on June 18, 2013
at 02:45 AM

not saying you're wrong PilatesGatekeeper (cos i don't know), but do have any more info on 'fat and sugar together will form triglycerides'. thx

787deab9e10baa5d45969a57babdd3dd

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on June 18, 2013
at 02:17 AM

My question isn't about weight gain. It's about ingested sugars AND Sat Fats and the same time. Does this create an inflammatory response, and/or is it dangerous? If someone were to eat a large amount of the recipe I provided, would it cause internal upset and systemic disruption? FOr example, Would you run into any heart or cholesterol problems if you ate sugar and saturated fat in the same meal? Sorry if this is hard to understand. I'm not afraid of fat, but I question it's detriments in the presences, and/or combination of sugar.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on June 18, 2013
at 02:04 AM

Sorry to be dense, but could you spell out your question for me a little more? Why do you think they're more likely than anything else to cause weight gain? Just because they're delicious and encourage excessive consumption?

787deab9e10baa5d45969a57babdd3dd

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on June 18, 2013
at 12:26 AM

I'm really just asking. It just seems like an almost "deadly" combination in large does. I'm not afraid of Saturated fat. I eat anywhere from 3-5 tablespoons of coconut oil a day. I'm also not scared of a bit of sugar here and there. That said, combing the two, sounds like a recipe for disaster. Besides cravings and obvious weight gain, are there any detriments to eating a snack like this?

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on June 17, 2013
at 11:32 PM

Could you provide some background on why you think sugar + saturated fat is a bad combination? Are you saying they have inherently negative health effects, or just that they seem to trigger overeating?

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5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on June 18, 2013
at 03:11 AM

I can see where the OP is going. Fat raises circulating triglycerides in the blood. Sugar causes insulin spikes. High insulin = storage of circulating triglycerides in fat cells. Not quite the case with coconut oil though. The difference is the length of the triglycerides. Coconut oil = Medium Chain Triglycerides. They're easily metabolized by the body, so they're substantially less likely to be stored compared to Long Chain Trigylcerides (vegetable oils, etc). If you pig out on coconut oil, yeah, you could have problems. But it's less of an issue compared to the long chain oils.

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on June 19, 2013
at 06:13 AM

Great info James.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on June 18, 2013
at 08:55 PM

No. I think coconut's better than butter/clarified ghee, simply due to the MCT's. A better solution is to find your triggers and not binge. :P

787deab9e10baa5d45969a57babdd3dd

(53)

on June 18, 2013
at 05:04 PM

Precisely. I only ask because I'm a bit of a "binger" on the weekends and instead of pigging futon gluten and processed junk, I always make myself a little paleo treat. I won't lie, I eat A LOT of it. haha, but then I go back to strict paleo during the week which is anywhere from 50-70 net carbs every day, or every other day. I'll just try to mix it up a bit and use some different ingredients. Would butter/ Clarified Ghee, be a better option maybe? Since it's not ALL saturated fat?

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on June 20, 2013
at 05:41 AM

I think you have saturated fat mixed up with PUFA in your fat+sugar = weight gain equation. My N=1: pufa + sugar = a serious desire to eat everything in sight, and other horrible things. Saturated fat on the other hand, seems to be okay with sugar. Also, I'm iffy on the sugar is sugar thing. I never personally experienced a binge type response from whole(r) food sweeteners but PUFA + refined sugar consistently spikes up binge desires something fierce. Perhaps it's due to the nutrients in the whole(r) food sweeteners? And Omega 6 fats producing stuff that makes you hungrier can't help.

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on June 20, 2013
at 07:58 PM

I can attest. I know it's not paleo, at all, but a little tub or two of Haagen-Dazs ice-cream has left me satisfied without the need to binge. It's got fairly clean ingredients, for ice-cream. Whereas, cookies, cakes, crisps, etc are all a recipe for disaster.

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on June 18, 2013
at 02:30 AM

Well, the fat and sugar together will form triglycerides, but if it's your birthday, go ahead and make a paleo treat. Your birthday only comes once a year, you'll feel less guilty about a paleo treat than a SAD treat, and I presume you don't eat paleo treats all the time. You know what they say, yolo.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on June 18, 2013
at 02:45 AM

not saying you're wrong PilatesGatekeeper (cos i don't know), but do have any more info on 'fat and sugar together will form triglycerides'. thx

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on June 18, 2013
at 02:47 AM

Well, it's literally true that triglycerides are made of fat and sugar, but I don't know if ingesting them at the same time actually influences how much you make.

A048b66e08306d405986b6c04bf5e8e4

on June 18, 2013
at 06:27 AM

@daz I was actually told by someone here on PaleoHacks that fat and sugar together cause triglycerides, but I'll have to check it out for myself.

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on June 18, 2013
at 02:28 AM

I think fat and sugar is fine together. I eat coconut oil with honey and kefir all the time as a smoothie. i also love berries with full fat yogurt and bacon with veggies. i'm not sure where you heard it was bad since most paleo meals look like that. obviously, too much sugar isn't good for you but neither is too much fat. it's all about balance.

if you know you will eat the whole cake, maybe just make a portion and bake it in a cupcake tin.

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