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Beginner Zero Carb/No sugar (Feeling Tired)

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Created June 03, 2011 at 9:12 PM

It is my second day on a zero carb diet.. all meat/eggs. I feel SUPER tired for some reason.. My main goal right now is to cut out all sugar and eventually lose all cravings for it. I tend to binge eat on sugary food and if I can get rid of sugar cravings maybe I won't binge anymore! How long does it take to get rid of the cravings and what are some of the sugar addiction withdrawal symptoms?

Thanks for reading!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 27, 2013
at 04:29 AM

Bill1102inf, wtf are you talking about? I've been zero-carb for nearly four years now, and have had the best lab work and health of my life during this time. How many ZCers have you actually known, that you can make such a sweeping statement?

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(6719)

on May 26, 2013
at 06:28 PM

zero carb has a zero % success rate, stop that

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on April 29, 2013
at 10:53 PM

ben is wrong lol

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on June 05, 2011
at 12:38 AM

I don't eat it. An avocado can have 10-25 g of carbohydrate.

2248abf977dd5d09733f5d4e2510fc12

(147)

on June 04, 2011
at 04:46 AM

don't eat so little, just eat lots of fat.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 04, 2011
at 04:18 AM

I can honestly say I feel better at 47 than at 7 or 17 or 27. If you want to see my story, here's a short version: http://dirtycarnivore.com/Rose.html

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 04, 2011
at 03:59 AM

I've essentially been sick my entire life (that sounds sad, I know, but it's true). Infant seizures, allergies, asthma, and later rheumatoid arthritis and obesity. I was never able to be very active because of all my physical challenges, although heaven knows I tried. And now, all of those issues have disappeared, one by one, since going VLC and then ZC. I can honestly say I feel better at 47 than at 7 or 17 or 27. If you want to see my story, here's a short version: http://dirtycarnivore.com/Rose.html

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 04, 2011
at 02:18 AM

Whats your activity level like? How's your bodyweight? Do you feel that you are healthy?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 04, 2011
at 02:07 AM

Oh, my dear, Ben. Really? It's that easy? Maybe I'm missing some nuance in your comment, but seriously, I didn't lose weight on a 1200-calorie a day diet. I gain weight when I add in potatoes. I keep hearing this promise from people that there's a "way" -- a magical, learned, sage way -- for people like me to add in carbs and not get fat. I've tried 68 ways to Sunday to do that, son, and I ain't found the magic yet. Sometimes life is like that.

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on June 04, 2011
at 01:49 AM

Do you guys count avocado as a fat or do you avoid it because of the carbs it also contains?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:42 AM

Incorporate carbs and learn to understand how they work in a day's eating, fuel rigorous activity, are always going to be around you forever, etc. We can lose weight without going LC of course. People have been doing it for ages. Do not buy into LC-or-fat blah blah. Be active, eat good food, track your calories and live well. Done.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:40 AM

Great reminder for people: the catch, and the crucial point, of any LC, VLC, or ZC WOE is that it's always all or nothing. As soon as you eat carbohydrate it's going to rush away and be stored as fat, probably kbevause the dieter is consuming X amount of calories and maintaining weight. Then they cheat or whatever and have carbs. But they already have their maintenance cals in from fat and protein so that carb goes right to fat stores. Recipe for disaster unless you're going to do it till the day you die. Better I'd say to change your lifestyle, way of looking at food, etc and eat carbs.

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(46)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:31 AM

I have been easing the band aid off...time to rip it off!!! Lost all cravings for carbs so it should all be up hill from here. I'm not ready to give up coffee though...nope, it just makes me to happy in the morning.

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

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on June 04, 2011
at 12:26 AM

Why are you going zero-carb? Have you you tried just cutting out sugar, and eating starch?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 03, 2011
at 10:25 PM

good points cave. everyone undercounts their cals when they go zero or VLC. you have to eat A LOT if you want to maintain high calories.

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on June 03, 2011
at 10:17 PM

Haha I am definitely an all or nothing guy so I am right there with you.. Thanks for the info!

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on June 03, 2011
at 09:57 PM

yes - you need the calories to get stronger

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 03, 2011
at 09:43 PM

Yes; the succinct answer. Fat helps loads.

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on June 03, 2011
at 09:39 PM

Might work. Some people will continue to have sugar cravings until all carbs are out.

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on June 03, 2011
at 09:38 PM

+1 on ripping the band aid off!

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 03, 2011
at 09:33 PM

Derrick, many people seem to find ketoadapting, especially to a zero-carb woe, difficult. Stephen Phinney, in Ketogenic Diets and Physical Perfomance, says "There are to date no studies that carefully examine the optimum length of this keto-adapataion period, but it is clearly longer than one week and likely well advanced within 3???4 weeks. The process does not appear to happen any faster in highly trained athletes than in overweight or untrained individuals. This adaptation process also appears to require consistent adherence to carbohydrate restriction, as people who intermittently consume carbohydrates while attempting a ketogenic diet report subjectively reduced exercise tolerance." (My emphasis)

And in his newest blog post, Dr. Mike Eades talks about keto-adaption.

I didn't have much trouble, but that's possibly because I'd been VLC for the previous two years. Other folks will probably tell you to ease into it, but I'm an all-or-nothing gal myself, so I'm going to advise that you rip the Band-Aid off all at once -- just get it over with. Your choice, of course. ;D

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:40 AM

Great reminder for people: the catch, and the crucial point, of any LC, VLC, or ZC WOE is that it's always all or nothing. As soon as you eat carbohydrate it's going to rush away and be stored as fat, probably kbevause the dieter is consuming X amount of calories and maintaining weight. Then they cheat or whatever and have carbs. But they already have their maintenance cals in from fat and protein so that carb goes right to fat stores. Recipe for disaster unless you're going to do it till the day you die. Better I'd say to change your lifestyle, way of looking at food, etc and eat carbs.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 04, 2011
at 02:18 AM

Whats your activity level like? How's your bodyweight? Do you feel that you are healthy?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 04, 2011
at 03:59 AM

I've essentially been sick my entire life (that sounds sad, I know, but it's true). Infant seizures, allergies, asthma, and later rheumatoid arthritis and obesity. I was never able to be very active because of all my physical challenges, although heaven knows I tried. And now, all of those issues have disappeared, one by one, since going VLC and then ZC. I can honestly say I feel better at 47 than at 7 or 17 or 27. If you want to see my story, here's a short version: http://dirtycarnivore.com/Rose.html

560821f3e7352455c3ebc2283d424f2e

on June 03, 2011
at 09:38 PM

+1 on ripping the band aid off!

A840a825c42276ad05f0a2c0bb2f914e

(46)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:31 AM

I have been easing the band aid off...time to rip it off!!! Lost all cravings for carbs so it should all be up hill from here. I'm not ready to give up coffee though...nope, it just makes me to happy in the morning.

E4ea912bb525efc4e392821120cfb8a6

(450)

on June 03, 2011
at 10:17 PM

Haha I am definitely an all or nothing guy so I am right there with you.. Thanks for the info!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 04, 2011
at 02:07 AM

Oh, my dear, Ben. Really? It's that easy? Maybe I'm missing some nuance in your comment, but seriously, I didn't lose weight on a 1200-calorie a day diet. I gain weight when I add in potatoes. I keep hearing this promise from people that there's a "way" -- a magical, learned, sage way -- for people like me to add in carbs and not get fat. I've tried 68 ways to Sunday to do that, son, and I ain't found the magic yet. Sometimes life is like that.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:42 AM

Incorporate carbs and learn to understand how they work in a day's eating, fuel rigorous activity, are always going to be around you forever, etc. We can lose weight without going LC of course. People have been doing it for ages. Do not buy into LC-or-fat blah blah. Be active, eat good food, track your calories and live well. Done.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 04, 2011
at 04:18 AM

I can honestly say I feel better at 47 than at 7 or 17 or 27. If you want to see my story, here's a short version: http://dirtycarnivore.com/Rose.html

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on April 29, 2013
at 10:53 PM

ben is wrong lol

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100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on June 03, 2011
at 09:41 PM

Make sure you're eating enough. Eat whenever you are hungry, and at this stage whenever you just feel like it. Eat a lot of fat.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 03, 2011
at 09:43 PM

Yes; the succinct answer. Fat helps loads.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 03, 2011
at 09:57 PM

yes - you need the calories to get stronger

65660697ed243c7980725fd014eb00e0

(494)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:49 AM

Do you guys count avocado as a fat or do you avoid it because of the carbs it also contains?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on June 05, 2011
at 12:38 AM

I don't eat it. An avocado can have 10-25 g of carbohydrate.

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Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 03, 2011
at 10:08 PM

Keep the calories high - lots of fat (don't be scared of butter!) and get LOTS of rest. Weight loss will be automatic and you won't need to push yourself to lose weight at the same time.

Depending on where you are with your body, health, history, you may need to spend a lot of time resting. As body used to carbs will continue to 'ask' for them by being really tired... I had zero interest in doing any extra exercise for almost four months. Then one day I woke up thinking "hey - I feel like doing pushups!"

When I started I ate a lot of salami and cheese - both have a fair amount of carbs in them so I think it was a way to transition without too much pain. At least I wasn't eating pasta/rice/gluten etc.

Good luck!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 03, 2011
at 10:25 PM

good points cave. everyone undercounts their cals when they go zero or VLC. you have to eat A LOT if you want to maintain high calories.

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(10)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:51 AM

What worked for me was starting with the "Tim Ferriss diet" - essentially paleo with beans and a no rules cheat day. The beans make the carb reduction manageable and the cheat day means your craving can be met soon. After a few months you realize that the cheat day makes you really sick and it's easy to take out the beans.

So bottom line for beginners...3-4 months Ferris diet then go paleo. Very easy transition, at least for me.

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on June 03, 2011
at 09:28 PM

Perhaps it'd be better to kill sugar first and then move on to zero-carb; going whole-hog is going to give you some really fun headaches, tiredness etc!

I've found the best way to stop eating things I shouldn't be (especially sugar) is to use one very powerful word.

No.

Don't piss about with "oh I shouldn't...." 'cause then you'll inevitably end up taking whatever you've been offered anyway. Just say "No, I don't eat that" and move on. If people challenge why you're refusing sweet sugary goodness, you can tell them that you're not eating sugar because it's not good for you, you feel you eat too much of it and you want it out of your life!

My work colleague hosts a blog which is part her getting ready for a trip around Europe with her boyfriend and part sugar-free diary. I highly recommend you check her out!

http://www.dancinginbarefeet.com

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on June 03, 2011
at 09:39 PM

Might work. Some people will continue to have sugar cravings until all carbs are out.

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560821f3e7352455c3ebc2283d424f2e

on June 03, 2011
at 09:28 PM

This sounds all too familiar to me! Sugar, binge, tiredness. Last weekend I started to crawl back out of the sugar pit. Sunday was hellish, tired and cranky. Monday wasn't much better but by some miracle I started to turn the corner on tuesday and I actual went to the gym. I had went very very low carb and zero carb for most meals. Zero carbs is new to me but I wanted to give it a go. Keep us posted on how your doing.

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on August 27, 2013
at 08:14 PM

@Tracey....take a breath! It is very overwhelming to begin with. Just breathe and read on. This is by far one of the best web sites I have found with such informed and helpful peeps. I would suggest you visit the FAQ section or just enter key words like "beginner" to get you to a few good posts. Good luck! You can do it!

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on August 27, 2013
at 07:52 PM

Was just told I have to go on a no carb no sugar diet. Well that was so easy for the Dr to tell me but gave me no help in the matter.

I went online and now I'm confused at all to tell on what to eat. I thought Oatmeal was good for breakfast..well something online told me to avoid.

High protien. OK. So chicken?? I don't eat any fish except Tuna. I can't have sweet fruits because of the natural sugars.

I'm just so confused. I'm searching online but every website contradicts the other and then I think I have an incurable disease!!

Can someone else me with some kind of diet plan?!? If I sound desperate it is because I am.

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on May 26, 2013
at 05:56 PM

When I first started paleo, I went from high-carb to zero carb straight: Day 1, 2: I felt okay. Day 3, 4: Wanted to give up and eat some carbs, felt weak physically and psychologically. Ate about 4000 calories/day, didn't consume any carbs, none. Had a terrible headache. Day 5, 6 and 7: Craved carbs really bad. My brain went into emergency mode and started generating thousands of excuses to eat carbs. I couldn't sleep at night, felt anxious, couldn't breathe very well and had my heart rate well over the normal range. Those three days were the toughest. Day 8: I didn't eat any food at all. Day 9: I could eat some food, felt very satisfied. Day 10: Back to normal.

On day 20 I felt lonely and binged on carbs. Ha-ha.

Through multiple adaptation experiences I can tell: Supplementing with L-glutamine helps with cravings. Drinking bone broth is even better. Cocoa powder+cinnamon helps with sugar cravings. (cinnamon is the key) Headaches you can't cure. Just eat no carbs. If you binge on carbs your adaptations will almost vanish. I can't emphasize that enough. It is a good idea to reduce carbs gradually. From high carb to 80g/day, then to 60, 30, and "zero". It's just too much stress for your body.

Anyway, to get rid of the cravings you need about a week.

Hope it helps, good luck.

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on May 26, 2013
at 05:14 PM

Taking out sugar can cause tiredness. I had not expected this this time as I was only having it (chocolate) immediately after lunch each day and have regular good wholefood meals at other times. However now on day 2 I feel absolutely drained. I slept yesterday afternoon. I was tired after 9 hours of sleep last night. I have dozed in the garden this morning. I nearly gave in at the 48 hour mark today but stopped myself buying chocolate. I suspect days 3 and 4 will be even harder and then I will come through it. Hoping so anyway. I could substitute with nuts and raisins or loads of fruit but that does not really help me either.

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on January 29, 2013
at 11:33 AM

Even Finney eats some carbs from veg and berries. You can still stay keto from 200-600g of carbs. My carb flu lasted 2 days. Definitely feel better getting some small amount of safe starch. No sugar and no fake settener eliminates cravings for sugar entirely. No sugar crashes anymore. As everyone said eat more good fat.

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on January 29, 2013
at 02:41 AM

Try the hcg diet I lost 6 pounds in a couple of days! It's not to difficult and the food is very good.

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on June 04, 2011
at 01:12 AM

i was under estimating my caloric intake by a lot when i tried zero carb. what i was guestimating at 1400-1500 a day was closer to 800 and i was exhausted.

i went back to low carb last week and bought a kitchen scale. it helps immensely and provides yet another crazy mom story for my kids to tell their friends :D

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(147)

on June 04, 2011
at 04:46 AM

don't eat so little, just eat lots of fat.

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