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Are there mineralizing and demineralizing sugars?

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Created November 08, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Are there certain sugars which are demineralizing and ones that are mineralizing?

I got this from watching the newest video from CureToothDecay. And there were a list of alternative sweeteners who are demineralizing.

How can they demineralize the teeth? And is there a good alternative?

The good sweeteners were stevia leaves, raw honey, and rapadura raw cane sugar.

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on January 02, 2012
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http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/teeth.html mentions cheese can help. These guys say fruits are fine, as long as it's not dried fruit: http://www.livestrong.com/article/443978-do-fruit-snacks-cause-tooth-decay/

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on January 02, 2012
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Mine have improved after taking out most carbs. :) I suppose it depends on how long the sugar sticks to your teeth. The stickier the stuff, the more damaging I suppose.

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on January 02, 2012
at 03:00 AM

funnier my teeth have improved eating fruit....nom nom sugar

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on January 01, 2012
at 04:44 AM

^ I've heard starch tends to cause cavities even moreso than sugar, as the complex chains stick around on your teeth for longer.

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on January 01, 2012
at 02:07 AM

"Manuka honey and chlorhexidine mouthwash reduced plaque formation significantly better than xylitol chewing gum." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22114423

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on December 31, 2011
at 07:55 PM

Yeah that makes sense, thanks. Also, I love mead.

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on December 31, 2011
at 07:52 PM

As I understand, honey doesn't spoil because it's hygroscopic and dehydrates anything that attempts to grow in/on it. Once "wet", it will spoil. Diluted honey will ferment (think: mead).

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on December 31, 2011
at 03:52 PM

Oh coconut sugar. You're magical because you come from the coconut tree. You have a paltry amount of animo acids (<1%), minerals and vitamins... C'mon folks, think critically.

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on December 31, 2011
at 02:42 PM

The funny thing is a lot of people somehow get teeth problems eating zero sugar.

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on December 03, 2011
at 10:49 PM

thank you! no, i wouldnt touch agave with a ten foot pole. unless it was fermented and body shots. ha.

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:03 PM

Grace just keep in mind that the fillers being used are usually malt, cane sugar and jack fruit. not bad in themselves - but not low GI and not the vitamin, mineral, amino acid profile of pure coconut sugar.And certainly not what you are paying for. I dont know if Agavae syrup has been discussed here - it certainly isnt what it's cracked up to be - contains more fructose than corn sugar and often extracted using solvents.

5e9cd4f9b0908b7f49934c1c56ffbe22

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:56 PM

Hard to be sure grace - main thing is to ask coconut secrets for gaurantee on purity - if it's pure coconut sugar then the nutritional profile will be similar to the one on link above - my reseach found that a lot of the thai coconut sugar was being paded with other sugars - ask for or look for a declaration of purity on their site - i think thats all you can do.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on December 03, 2011
at 12:24 PM

We use Coconut Secret raw coconut sugar... how does that compare in quality, minerals, aminos, taste, etc? thanks.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on December 31, 2011
at 02:36 PM

Sugar is sugar. Doesn't matter what it's from. The breakdown between fructose and glucose might be different, but the results on your teeth will be the same.

Coconut sugar may contain some aminos, and it contains some minerals such as potassium, magnesium, zinc and iron, some B vitamins, some glutamine, and it also has a lower Glycemic Index than table sugar. So it can certainly be considered healthier than plain old brown sugar, in the same way that brown sugar can be considered better than bleached table sugar, but why would it have a different effect on your teeth? After all, it's mostly sucrose, glucose and fructose.

The bacteria that eat it, Streptococcus mutans, and form cavities don't care if you're eating bread, table sugar, coconut sugar, banana, or an apple. They can use sucrose, glucose, fructose, or lactose to cause damage to teeth.

Sure, you could get some B Vitamins and minerals from it, but you can get those from other sources without the tooth damaging results and the (albeit lower than plain sugar) insulin spike.

Someone here mentioned Agave Syrup, if you dislike the idea of eating High Fructose Corn Syrup, you should be very afraid of Agave Syrup, as it's higher in fructose than HFCS. Me, I'd rather see Agave used to make a good Tequila. Besides, these bugs can use fructose to harm your teeth just as easily. :)

The main thing I worry about sweeteners is the insulin response. Apparently, even Stevia which effectively contains no calories from carbs at all can also cause an insulin spike. According to Robb Wolf's podcasts, it's tasting sweet that starts the process in anticipation of something with carbs in it, and if you get an insulin spike without having a blood sugar spike, you're might get in trouble as the insulin will store your blood glucose.

After all, if you remove most sweeteners, you won't damage teeth and you won't get insulin spikes. So in the end, it's a good idea to avoid sugars, and even other sweeteners, in all forms, except as a very rare occasional snack.

I used to do Stevia in coffee, and Stevia does have the added side effect of lowering blood pressure, but my blood pressure isn't high, and I got used to drinking coffee without sweeteners. We can adapt to avoiding sweeteners. It's not that hard.

I'm not saying carbs should not be part of a paleo diet, they can be, but stick to good starches such as carrots, sweet potatoes, yams, berries, and not to the point that they cause you insulin problems, or cavities.

As wit any advertised product, the folks you mention have a financial reason for putting out the "information" they do. After all, if they can't convince enough people to buy their product, they'll go out of business. So take what they say with a grain of, erm, sugar. :)

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on December 31, 2011
at 02:42 PM

The funny thing is a lot of people somehow get teeth problems eating zero sugar.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on January 01, 2012
at 04:44 AM

^ I've heard starch tends to cause cavities even moreso than sugar, as the complex chains stick around on your teeth for longer.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on January 02, 2012
at 03:15 PM

Mine have improved after taking out most carbs. :) I suppose it depends on how long the sugar sticks to your teeth. The stickier the stuff, the more damaging I suppose.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on January 02, 2012
at 03:20 PM

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/teeth.html mentions cheese can help. These guys say fruits are fine, as long as it's not dried fruit: http://www.livestrong.com/article/443978-do-fruit-snacks-cause-tooth-decay/

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on January 02, 2012
at 03:00 AM

funnier my teeth have improved eating fruit....nom nom sugar

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Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

on December 31, 2011
at 07:42 PM

Pro-teeth: Xylitol

Teeth-neutral: Artificial zero calorie sweeteners, erythritol

Bad-for-your-teeth: Sugar or any carbohydrate really.

I wouldn't put my faith in raw honey or sugar.

Raw cane sugar is slightly better for your teeth than refined last I checked. Both bad probably.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

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on December 31, 2011
at 07:55 PM

Yeah that makes sense, thanks. Also, I love mead.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on December 31, 2011
at 07:52 PM

As I understand, honey doesn't spoil because it's hygroscopic and dehydrates anything that attempts to grow in/on it. Once "wet", it will spoil. Diluted honey will ferment (think: mead).

Fab01b4dbedb2252688eb552d0071306

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on January 01, 2012
at 02:07 AM

"Manuka honey and chlorhexidine mouthwash reduced plaque formation significantly better than xylitol chewing gum." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22114423

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on May 20, 2012
at 05:27 PM

Well, if your main objective is to protect your teeth then your only real choice is xylitol. I think manuka honey is great but not sure it will avoid tooth decay and using chorhexidine, which I use on my dog to kill bacteria, is not my choice in a mouth wash. Using xylitol tooth paste and mouth wash containing xylitol after every meal, and not snacking on simple carbs during the day are the best way to protect your teeth. There are xylitol sweetened sodas and snacks available on the internet. I'm not sure we know the long term side effects of any of these products yet. We do know that acesulfame, and aspartame (equal) are dangerous chemicals and should alway be avoided. I have sjogrens disease which causes rapid decay of my teeth, so xylitol at this point is my best chance for keeping my teeth, plus dedicated dental care.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 08, 2011
at 07:58 PM

Use brown sugar:

Muscovado (also moscovado) is an unrefined, dark brown sugar that is produced without centrifuging and has much smaller crystals than turbinado sugar. The sugar cane extract is heated to thicken it and then pan-evaporated in the sun and pounded to yield an unprocessed, damp sugar that retains all of the natural minerals

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on November 08, 2011
at 08:02 PM

+1 for your great gravatar!

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on December 03, 2011
at 11:07 AM

I think Yacon root (7:1 concentrate is good) and pure coconut sugar (must be pure source as a lot of thai and other manafacturers pad coconut sugar with palm sugar malt and cane sugar as its cheaper. Pure coconut sugar is packed with vitamins, minerals and amino acids and is low GI (35)

both superior to cane sugar and stevia see link for data http://www.matakanasuperfoods.com/ms/products/pure-coconut-sugar.html

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on December 03, 2011
at 12:24 PM

We use Coconut Secret raw coconut sugar... how does that compare in quality, minerals, aminos, taste, etc? thanks.

5e9cd4f9b0908b7f49934c1c56ffbe22

(30)

on December 03, 2011
at 08:56 PM

Hard to be sure grace - main thing is to ask coconut secrets for gaurantee on purity - if it's pure coconut sugar then the nutritional profile will be similar to the one on link above - my reseach found that a lot of the thai coconut sugar was being paded with other sugars - ask for or look for a declaration of purity on their site - i think thats all you can do.

5e9cd4f9b0908b7f49934c1c56ffbe22

(30)

on December 03, 2011
at 09:03 PM

Grace just keep in mind that the fillers being used are usually malt, cane sugar and jack fruit. not bad in themselves - but not low GI and not the vitamin, mineral, amino acid profile of pure coconut sugar.And certainly not what you are paying for. I dont know if Agavae syrup has been discussed here - it certainly isnt what it's cracked up to be - contains more fructose than corn sugar and often extracted using solvents.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on December 03, 2011
at 10:49 PM

thank you! no, i wouldnt touch agave with a ten foot pole. unless it was fermented and body shots. ha.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on December 31, 2011
at 03:52 PM

Oh coconut sugar. You're magical because you come from the coconut tree. You have a paltry amount of animo acids (<1%), minerals and vitamins... C'mon folks, think critically.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 08, 2011
at 06:59 PM

There is brown sugar, high in minerals:

Muscovado (also moscovado) is an unrefined, dark brown sugar that is produced without centrifuging and has much smaller crystals than turbinado sugar. The sugar cane extract is heated to thicken it and then pan-evaporated in the sun and pounded to yield an unprocessed, damp sugar that retains all of the natural minerals,

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