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One bad weekly cheat

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 26, 2013 at 1:04 PM

I've been paleo going on a month and I've found that, no matter what, once a week I have a cheat meal. Not on purpose, it just works out that way. Anyway, I was wondering what kind of an effect these cheats could have? They're usually all out cheats too. I always feel kind of sick the next day, but then I'm right back on track, until the next weekend when something else comes up. Is once a week too often for a bad cheat?

And please don't tell me not to have cheat meals. I'm a college student and it's summer time and it's going to happen. Its the regularity I'm trying to figure out.

Thanks!

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on August 02, 2013
at 03:34 AM

If the goal is to "get sex", then "cheating on your SO" fits CD's definition more than not.

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on July 26, 2013
at 04:18 PM

@Axial, I definitely live by the "everything in moderation" principal. Certainly if you have a lactose or gluten sensitivity, if you are an alcoholic, etc avoid completely. crossing a threshold, even minimally, I would categorize as high-intensity exposure.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on July 26, 2013
at 03:43 PM

How do you know what health conditions the author is dealing with? How do you know how far cheats set her back?

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on July 26, 2013
at 03:42 PM

I actually don't know about that. It could be that occasional, high-intensity exposure to stuff that's bad for you is better than continuous low-grade exposure (though in your example, if you eat dairy daily and it doesn't cause you problems then I wouldn't consider it a cheat, I'd consider it part of your diet).

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on July 26, 2013
at 03:34 PM

CD - I see your point, but I think "cheat" in this context is more akin to cheating on your significant other than cheating on a test.

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on July 26, 2013
at 02:14 PM

I think this comes down to trying to balance enjoying oneself while keeping a healthy lifestyle. I'm in grad school and also like going out for drinks with friends and pigging out after a test. I think your goal should be setting limits for yourself. For instance, I have my "cheat" meals when I go out to eat a couple times a week but these meals never include gluten. I get frozen yogurt for dessert for example instead of a brownie Sunday. I find that this is a great way to enjoy life while not feeling sick the next day. I would find boundaries and try to stick to them.

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on July 26, 2013
at 01:43 PM

carbs are not equal to cheats. carb-loading and carb-refeeds do not make one un-Paleo

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on July 26, 2013
at 01:07 PM

I hate the term "Cheat" in this context. When you cheat, you are trying to take a short-cut to get a better result. Here you are purposefully doing harm to your body and impeding your progress. Who would "cheat" on a test to purposefully get a worse score?

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on July 26, 2013
at 01:29 PM

???Is once a week too often for a bad cheat????

"I was wondering what kind of an effect these cheats could have????

From your questions - I always feel kind of sick the next day???

From what you???ve asked and from what information you???ve volunteered, I???d say you???ve answered your own questions.

My question is - You've been doing Paleo for only a month? You have cheated the whole time...if Paleo were a 12 step program, I think it's pretty safe to say, you'd only have 12 more steps to go?

Truth.

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on July 26, 2013
at 04:12 PM

What is more useful...

Realising that once or twice a week at most, you are eating not particularly useful food-stuffs, but you don't worry at all since you are pretty much eating more and more useful foods overall, and your health is improving. Eating that icecream, cake or pizza is no big deal, it all gets digested into the same things anyway albeit along with some less useful things which your body can deal with since your overall health is good. Lots of sugar? No real issues there since it was actually equivalent to eating 2 large sweet potatoes, it just had no vitamins or minerals.

or

You habitually worry about food out of proportion to the actual effect that which you ate actually has on you. You misrepresent the actual nutritional content of less useful foods, and assume a lot more damage then is actually there. Eating a pizza, bag of chips and a coke is not experienced as simply a meal albeit heavy on the sugar, it is seen as something that will effect your health for the rest of your life rather than merely producing gas in the next few hours. Your constant worrying makes you categorise foods into good and bad which have a positive or negative effect on your view of yourself. This thinking drives you to stress so much about failure that rather than seeing a nice tub of icecream as something to enjoy, you feel guilty about it which leads you to just go nuts since now that you failed you might as well go the whole way.

I apologise for sounding so direct about this, but honestly what is easier to manage? If you are constantly worrying about foods, you will make them into more then what they are. Just eat the damn foods and use them.

You going to be eating pizza and icecream later, go do something physical with it, go out dancing. If you are worried about calories, why? It's not like you are eating icecream everyday and can't stop, nor will eating that one bowl going to suddenly make you gain weight over and above your healthy habits across the next days, weeks, years.

And gluten... honestly I am not sure health is like a game of snakes and ladders and hat bagel will cause you to slide backwards further then you had improved your health so far.

Stop stressing, you are in college and have about a billion better things to be concerned about. :)

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on July 26, 2013
at 01:14 PM

Given the soapbox above in the comment section. The issue is two-fold.

(1) How frequent

(2) Magnitude

Having a glass of wine three times a week is low frequency, low magnitude -- That is a sensible cheat

Having dairy daily is high frequency, low magnitude (assuming you are not intolerant) -- That is sensible.

Going out to dinner once a week and getting an awesome blossom, followed by bowl of spaghetti with garlic bread, while drinking three beers, and then having a milk shake -- Is low frequency high magnitude and probably not a good idea.

Everybody has their own threshold -- you need to find yours. If weight loss is your goal, then fix your priorities to meet those goals.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on July 26, 2013
at 04:18 PM

@Axial, I definitely live by the "everything in moderation" principal. Certainly if you have a lactose or gluten sensitivity, if you are an alcoholic, etc avoid completely. crossing a threshold, even minimally, I would categorize as high-intensity exposure.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on July 26, 2013
at 03:42 PM

I actually don't know about that. It could be that occasional, high-intensity exposure to stuff that's bad for you is better than continuous low-grade exposure (though in your example, if you eat dairy daily and it doesn't cause you problems then I wouldn't consider it a cheat, I'd consider it part of your diet).

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72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on July 26, 2013
at 03:47 PM

We don't know what your health is like now or what you're trying to accomplish on paleo.

If you're trying to lose excess fat or put on muscle, it should be pretty easy to figure out whether these meals are setting you back.

If you're dealing with a chronic health problem, are you tracking your symptoms carefully? You can find out whether they gradually get better over the week and then worse after a cheat meal.

Or, just steel yourself and go 2 or 3 weeks without cheating. If you feel a lot better than you do on day 2 or 3 after a cheat, then yes, those meals were continuously setting you back. If you feel about the same, then they were probably not good for you, but also probably not doing lasting harm.

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on July 26, 2013
at 01:38 PM

I don't know if it's necessarily bad. John Kiefer (Carb Night, Carb Backloading), among others, fully endorses a weekly sugar-carb load, especially if you lift heavy, to replenish glycogen and to confuse your metabolism (of course, highly more technical than that). I'd check out his website. I do it every Saturday and continue to see composition improvements.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on July 26, 2013
at 01:43 PM

carbs are not equal to cheats. carb-loading and carb-refeeds do not make one un-Paleo

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on August 02, 2013
at 09:18 AM

It just comes with being young, short memory and quick recovery. I did the same thing with booze every Saturday until I was nearly 30, and at some point I started to think, "Gee, I could actually do something with that recovery day." That and the recovery starts to take longer as you get older. At some point feeling well will become the luxury you never knew it was, but for now that isn't your reality, so don't sweat it yet.

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on July 26, 2013
at 03:09 PM

I used to cheat and have some grains or gluten every fews weeks to a month. I realized it was setting me back in terms of my goals. Which was to heal my skin and gluten intolerance rashes. I've been gluten free, dairy free, processed foods free for almost a year now and FINALLY have reached my goals. Cheating sets you back further then you know. When I want something to treat myself, I just make paleofied treats ;)

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on July 26, 2013
at 03:43 PM

How do you know what health conditions the author is dealing with? How do you know how far cheats set her back?

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on July 26, 2013
at 02:53 PM

I'm also a college student. Paleo is SOOOO hard, I know. All my peers invite me out to dinner, and some events kind of require you to eat without being rude (like a formal banquet).

What I did: Went strictly paleo for two months during summer vacation. Whew. Only my parents to worry about. I kind of persuaded my mom and bro to try paleo for one month, so it's less nagging for me to eat "normally."

During college days, I would just go out and order a salad. I'd tell the waiter to switch up the dressing to olive oil and salt. I'd also tell them that I'm allergic to gluten and dairy. This really gained their attention, making them more wary of what they served me.

Just tell your friends that you are on the diet. Yeah, most of them won't appreciate it, but you'll be surprised that some of your own friends are paleo, and some will accept it.

As for the sickness, if you're feeling sick right after, I think once a week for that particular type of food may be too much. Is it the dairy? Is it the high carbs? Is it the oils? Cheating once a week is obviously not ideal, but that's what works. Just try to locate what exactly caused you to feel uneasy during the cheat, and be careful next time.

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