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What supplements to take when you have no appetite

Answered on February 21, 2015
Created November 10, 2011 at 4:00 AM

I'm trying to eat a mostly high fat and high protein diet, but ever since I started it I have no appetite. I'm often nauseous and can only eat once a day. I feel a ton of pressure in my gut, to the point where I have to lay on my stomach to relieve it. This may sound weird, but when I do that I literally can feel heat going to my legs from my gut, so it feels like I have an intestinal blockage somewhere. A stomach/upper gut barium xray came back normal, but I haven't had a colonoscopy since I can't afford it. I don't have a good memory anymore and am tired all day. What supplements might specifically help increase my appetite to the point where I can eat more healthy food and get the benefits? I'm already taking l-glutamine, betaine hydrochloride, enzymes, krill oil, and probiotics (which increase my bloating). Also, what are all the nutrients needed for the nerves of the gut to function properly and for peristalsis to occur?

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on November 10, 2011
at 09:42 PM

There are lots of good posts on gut problems -I should know, I read them all. Good luck!

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on November 10, 2011
at 09:41 PM

Chris, if you are eating meat (especially muscle meat) try eating it in combination with gelatin (great lakes) or homemade bone broth. It will make it easier to digest. See http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/gelatin.shtml

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on November 10, 2011
at 07:04 PM

I will check out your previous posts on gut problems. Thanks for the advice.

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on November 10, 2011
at 07:03 PM

Yea I actually read that article, so it seems like there's conflicting advice because many doctors and nutrition experts recommend taking l-glutamine to heal the gut. It hasn't been helping me though so it's possible it is feeding the bad bacteria. I will probably try reducing the amount of meat I eat and see if I feel any better. It may be that my body simply can't handle that amount of meat at this point.

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on November 10, 2011
at 05:56 PM

I gave up dairy and wheat years ago because I had a blood test showing I was allergic to gluten and dairy. I eat veggies but not enough cause I only eat one meal a day at this point so I just don't have the appetite to eat more of anything throughout the day, including veggies. I do eat berries when I can so I will continue to do that.

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on November 10, 2011
at 05:43 PM

I had a standard blood test done, everything came back normal, but that only tells you the very basic stuff. I agree I def need more work done, including an organic acids test, gut permeability test, cortisol levels, and more. I do take a B complex right now but I'm wondering if I'm absorbing the B12 in it since you need intrinsic factor for that and if the stomach lining is damaged which is possible in my case then I might not be.

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on November 10, 2011
at 12:51 PM

How much protein do you have a day - protein kills the appetite- via B is a good sup to stimulate appetite (b 12 to be exact ). But all that said I think you need some more work done to find the root of your problem - more so your lack of appetite and fuzziness ! did you have bloods done also ?

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on November 10, 2011
at 06:46 AM

I'm all of the above, that's how I was able to get the barium xray and endoscopy done, I could never afford that or the insurance that covers it. The doctors I've been to only give the standard blood test which tells me very little, I need more extensive testing which the hospital program for low income people such as myself doesn't cover. That's one of the reasons I'm here asking questions, I can't afford the blood tests that would give me a much better picture of what exactly is wrong with me.

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on November 10, 2011
at 06:33 AM

Of course. But Chris--if you are ill, poor and uninsured, do due diligence on finding free clinics, county hospitals, etc, that will see you.

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on November 10, 2011
at 05:21 AM

Yea a few people have told me this also, but I'm not sure which supplements to stop taking and which ones are essential for someone in my condition. It's ironic because I always had a huge appetite when I was younger. The reason I've restricted myself is that I suspect I have dysbiosis and so I worry that if I eat things that are higher in sugar I'll feed the bad bacteria and worsen my symptoms. But at this point not eating those things hasn't really helped either so your point is well taken.

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on November 10, 2011
at 04:25 AM

It's good you are seeing a doctor. I agree with Nance. Another thing you have to do is STOP being on a restrictive diet. You have to eat and if it's non-paleo food that's better than starving. Ice cream, milk shakes, anything.

Have you ever thought that the supplements might not be the cure, that they might be the issue? I can't count the number of times I've had a weird stomach issue and stopping supplements fixed it.

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on November 10, 2011
at 05:21 AM

Yea a few people have told me this also, but I'm not sure which supplements to stop taking and which ones are essential for someone in my condition. It's ironic because I always had a huge appetite when I was younger. The reason I've restricted myself is that I suspect I have dysbiosis and so I worry that if I eat things that are higher in sugar I'll feed the bad bacteria and worsen my symptoms. But at this point not eating those things hasn't really helped either so your point is well taken.

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on November 10, 2011
at 01:16 PM

It sounds as if you're saying that everything was fine, then you started the high fat/high protein diet and the result was the feeling of 'heaviness' in your gut and the lack of appetite:

"but ever since I started it I have no appetite. I'm often nauseous and can only eat once a day. I feel a ton of pressure in my gut, to the point where I have to lay on my stomach to relieve it."

It would seem prudent to consider the possibility that this level of fat and protein is not acceptable to your body, is not acceptable in general, or that you have not yet adapted to it.

A beneficial course of action could be reducing the amount of muscle meat you're taking it, increase/start bone stock and soups made from bone stock. Culture some veggies. Eat some starches.

I wouldn't take glutamine in a case such as yours where there is likely gut dysbiosis. Intersting tidbit from Paul Jaminet, http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=2998

Glutamine, a supplement frequently recommended for gut ailments, can also enhance glutathione production [5]. However, I would generally avoid this, because it can promote proliferation of pathogenic bacteria.

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on November 10, 2011
at 07:03 PM

Yea I actually read that article, so it seems like there's conflicting advice because many doctors and nutrition experts recommend taking l-glutamine to heal the gut. It hasn't been helping me though so it's possible it is feeding the bad bacteria. I will probably try reducing the amount of meat I eat and see if I feel any better. It may be that my body simply can't handle that amount of meat at this point.

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(4090)

on November 10, 2011
at 09:41 PM

Chris, if you are eating meat (especially muscle meat) try eating it in combination with gelatin (great lakes) or homemade bone broth. It will make it easier to digest. See http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/gelatin.shtml

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on November 10, 2011
at 04:10 AM

I'm glad you're talking to doctors because this is a little beyond what unqualified strangers can/should offer advice about.

That said, how about trying 1 or 2 carbs, ones you like and find soothing? How about some soup or broth? Go to only 1 kind of meat for a few days--your favorite--and see if you feel better; if you do, start adding 1 food at a time and see what's disagreeing with you.

I don't think supplements are the important thing here.

BTW, the heat rushing down your legs is probably caused by lying on your stomach, which changes the tension on spinal muscles. I get that all the time, particularly if there's a pillow under my stomach.

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on November 10, 2011
at 02:00 PM

You can't really listen to people that know nothing about supplements.

You need to use alcohol, cannabis/melatonin, perhaps iron (you need to check level first), vitamin C, magnesium, piracetam, coenzime Q10 and exercise. Supplements are not your problem for sure, you need different kind of supplements. Stop probiotics. For the peristalis take Mg and MSM. You may want to do C flush to wash your intestines. You may also want to experiment with various levels of coffee. You also need good vitamin B complex to support your nerves. Some of those are especially important in persitlis, like B5.

I would offer you extensive explanation of each of those but I wont be posting much here from now on and you could find some of my previous posts related to gastrointestinal problems which cover some of those topics.

You may consider implementing something from Kahterine's answer too.

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on November 10, 2011
at 07:04 PM

I will check out your previous posts on gut problems. Thanks for the advice.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on November 10, 2011
at 09:42 PM

There are lots of good posts on gut problems -I should know, I read them all. Good luck!

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on November 10, 2011
at 12:15 PM

If you are taking the supplements on an empty stomach you may/will get an upset stomach and it will be daily. You may want to cut back on the protein a bit (I eat Paleo myself so I understand the desire to eat like that). But you really need to eat veggies. Are you eating any? I would not take anything except the probiotics on an empty stomach and they should be of very high quality. Perhaps you should eat, take your other supplements and then take the probiotic before bed.

Green, leafy vegetables, preferably raw. And cruciferous veggies like broccoli and cauliflower. And try adding a 1/2 cup (ideally a cup) of berries like strawberries and raspberries. The little seeds in them help with digestion and moving your bowels. I have a friend who was always constipated and the berries helped her immensely. If you are worried about the sugar just stay away all other fruit except berries and stay away from sugary or starchy veggies like carrots, beets, sweet potatoes. Also, are you eating dairy? If so, that should go too.

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on November 10, 2011
at 05:56 PM

I gave up dairy and wheat years ago because I had a blood test showing I was allergic to gluten and dairy. I eat veggies but not enough cause I only eat one meal a day at this point so I just don't have the appetite to eat more of anything throughout the day, including veggies. I do eat berries when I can so I will continue to do that.

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on November 10, 2011
at 05:13 AM

To answer the question "What supplements to take when you have no appetite"

The paleo answer IS.... "Marijuana"

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on November 10, 2011
at 06:33 AM

Of course. But Chris--if you are ill, poor and uninsured, do due diligence on finding free clinics, county hospitals, etc, that will see you.

Medium avatar

on November 10, 2011
at 06:46 AM

I'm all of the above, that's how I was able to get the barium xray and endoscopy done, I could never afford that or the insurance that covers it. The doctors I've been to only give the standard blood test which tells me very little, I need more extensive testing which the hospital program for low income people such as myself doesn't cover. That's one of the reasons I'm here asking questions, I can't afford the blood tests that would give me a much better picture of what exactly is wrong with me.

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on February 21, 2015
at 12:55 PM

Try yogurt. If you have trouble digestin,My recommendation is  to ,before anything else--make a place in your diet for Activia.I have found this to be a part of a miracle, sn answer to prayer for extreme fatigue following a meal,caused by serious digestive difficulty. Imo yogurt is underestimated I think because some yogurt -eg store brands -give it a bad name.Big. surprise that although those yogurts look like the real thing, they do not contain anything beneficial that is the reason to even get yogurt for a health purpose.

 

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on April 17, 2013
at 12:09 AM

I smoke marijuana and I still have no appetite. Stress out depress

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on November 10, 2011
at 04:51 AM

Whoa Whoa, slow down. They didn't do a regular X-Ray first and foremost? So much for Dr's. Go buy a bunch of dried prunes. Soak in water for a few hours. Eat them all, not the pit though. In about an hr our two, they SHALL come out, I promise. And by a 'bunch' I don't mean 100.

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