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Drinking "vitamin" waters with stevia?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 19, 2012 at 11:30 AM

I used to be a big diet soda drinker. Since starting Paleo, I've cut out all drinks except for water, decaf tea, the (very infrequently) occasional small glass of whole fat milk (not pure Paleo, I know), and my flavored vice...SoBe Lifewater 0 calories.

The ingredients are (erythritol and stevia highlighted):

Filtered Water, Erythritol, Natural Flavor, Citric Acid, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Xanthan Gum, Calcium Lactate, Potassium Citrate, REB A (Purevia Brand), Modified Food Starch, Cochineal Extract (Color), Vitamin E Acetate, Calcium Phosphate, Gum Arabic, Ginseng Extract, Dandelion Root Extract, Calcium Pantothenate, Niacinamide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12)

Are there any major negatives to drinking one (at most two) 20oz bottles per day?

They don't make me hungry, and I take about an hour to sip one bottle. (Diet Coke and foods with artificial sugar alcohols definitely DID make me hungry.)

I also understand that stevia probably does not induce an insulin response: http://paleohacks.com/questions/1457/artificial-sweetners-is-stevia-primal#axzz1yEkcPXZU

The rest of my diet is 95% Paleo, and I can't help but have a drink in my hand throughout the day (usually water, but that gets boring).

Any advice is appreciated! (This is my first question on Paleohacks)

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on April 06, 2013
at 10:34 PM

I need to put raw honey in my tea. Otherwise my honey jars will never be empty like Matthew's honey jars.

20aee218ca5bce816122348144db9792

(122)

on July 26, 2012
at 10:04 PM

Hallelujah, Karen! This is supposed to be a supportive community where people help each other.

20aee218ca5bce816122348144db9792

(122)

on July 12, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Actually, erythritol starves out oral bacteria, so good for your teeth, and EVERYTING feeds fecobacteria, so that's a moot point. Erythritol is actually one of the few to NOT cause digestive issues. I don't think you should be eating it by the pound, but it is a better sweetener than cane sugar. It is also found in fruit.

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on June 20, 2012
at 02:55 PM

That's fair - thanks for explaining a bit about the structure!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on June 20, 2012
at 01:37 PM

None of those are "proven" things. Stevia was disapproved by the FDA because of some carcinogen studies, reb a has similar, suspect but not proven type science around it. Its a question mark. It is a steriod like molecule, reb a. That doesnt need proving, its the shape of the molecule. As for immune system, thats what steriods do, they increase or decrease immune responses. So this particular suspicion is based on the chemical structure. Id point you to more detail, but meh, but I am sure you could search it as well as I did when i was looking into stevia.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on June 20, 2012
at 01:36 PM

None of those are proven things. Stevia was disproven by the FDA because of carcinogen studies, reb a has similar, suspect but not proven type science around it. It is a steriod like molecule, reb a. That doesnt need proving, its the shape of the molecule. As for immune system, thats what steriods do, they increase or decrease immune responses. So this suspicion is based on the chemical structure. Id point you to more detail, but meh, but I am sure you could search it as well as I did when i was looking into stevia..

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 19, 2012
at 10:41 PM

No, that will suffice Karen. :) I think we all tend to stumble upon various paradigm shifts, ie-grains are not all they're cracked up to be, etc... And we all tend to see the world from our new perspective, projecting our own issues onto everyone else. I just think the interwebs could be a little more useful if people did a little less proselytizing and more sympathizing.

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on June 19, 2012
at 02:20 PM

Can you back up your statements on stevia please?

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on June 19, 2012
at 02:18 PM

Insect based coloring seems pretty paleo.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 19, 2012
at 01:38 PM

Dave S. No changes. Sorry, but I won't insult perfectly good body parts.

3ab5e1b9eba22a071f653330b7fc9579

(2262)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:36 PM

I leave it in, it makes for an awfully nice presentation in clear glass

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:28 PM

And that's my SHORT rant on needs versus desires. Want the LONG version? (-:

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:18 PM

A lot of people have gone deeply into debt because they needed the bigger flashier car or house. Identifying things as desired makes it simpler to make informed choices. You can still choose to add that sugar if you desire to.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:17 PM

Learning to differentiate needs from desires has made some huge changes in my life, including making it much, much easier to go paleo. I think we all are sold by marketing so heavily everyday on things that they identify as needs that we have trouble telling the difference. A teaspoon of sugar may not be much to you, but to me as an insulin resistant person it's a big deal and it helps to ID it as a desire, not a necessity. Cable tv access when identified as a desire by someone with a limited income can free up a lot of cash for good meat.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 19, 2012
at 12:48 PM

Well granted it is a desire and not a *need* but really, if it is a little; do we *really need to learn the difference?* I mean other than to make unproductive points on internet forums of course.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on June 19, 2012
at 12:43 PM

But I like my coffee hot, sweet and blonde!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on June 19, 2012
at 12:40 PM

I'm not totally against chemical vitamins, but Paul Jaminet has been talking about potential problems of too much niacin. See the Perfect Health Diet blog for more details. And Dr. Wahl's story seems to prove that it is better to vitamins/minerals/nutrients from food rather than from pills. (She tried both and food was much more helpful in reversing her symptoms of MS.)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on June 19, 2012
at 12:36 PM

+1 for Karen! (Patsy was too nice, change it to p**sy.)

707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

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on June 19, 2012
at 12:32 PM

I drop it in and, much like sangria, I eat the fruit pieces--not the limes and lemons-- but most definitely the raspberries, blueberries, etc-- if I don't have fresh fruit, I use frozen (organic) fruit. :)

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:24 PM

'a little sugar, honey, or other sweetener" is a desire, not a need. We all really must learn the difference.

D19fa7b7fc8b5430c7d62447ed155fd7

(35)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:15 PM

Do you use a filter (like cheesecloth) or just drop it in and fish it out?

3ab5e1b9eba22a071f653330b7fc9579

(2262)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:09 PM

I agree, fruit infused water is the way to go! I like mixing herbs and fruit in a pitcher, like watermelon and sage or pineapple and basil, and letting it steep overnight. Delicious flavored water cheaper and healthier!

D19fa7b7fc8b5430c7d62447ed155fd7

(35)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Thanks for keeping me in line. I'm in denial about this product (rationalizing) and realize I should give it up. It's more a habit/flavor thing than marketing (or so they'd have me believe!). Plus you have the same name as my wife, so I'm practically programmed to listen (in a good way)! Water (flavored or otherwise) it is from now on.

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 19, 2012
at 11:44 AM

Ewwwww. Read that ingredient list again. Read it AGAIN. Does that look healthy?

Not to mention the pile of plastic you discard each week! And the transportation costs in oil of shipping WATER.

Get a stainless steel water bottle. They look really cool. Keep it filled with chilled water. Or get fancy and flavor your water with mint leaves, hibiscus tea, lemon or lime slices, cucumber slices or other real foods.

Added: "water, but that gets boring" This is your brain on marketing. Don't be a corporate advertising patsy.

D19fa7b7fc8b5430c7d62447ed155fd7

(35)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Thanks for keeping me in line. I'm in denial about this product (rationalizing) and realize I should give it up. It's more a habit/flavor thing than marketing (or so they'd have me believe!). Plus you have the same name as my wife, so I'm practically programmed to listen (in a good way)! Water (flavored or otherwise) it is from now on.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:38 PM

Dave S. No changes. Sorry, but I won't insult perfectly good body parts.

3ab5e1b9eba22a071f653330b7fc9579

(2262)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:09 PM

I agree, fruit infused water is the way to go! I like mixing herbs and fruit in a pitcher, like watermelon and sage or pineapple and basil, and letting it steep overnight. Delicious flavored water cheaper and healthier!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:36 PM

+1 for Karen! (Patsy was too nice, change it to p**sy.)

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on June 19, 2012
at 12:28 PM

I chill my water. Sometimes ill drop in some unsweetened cranberry juice into the water, or some lemon. Tart does a similar job to sweet in drinks. +1 on the fruit and water thing too...

Sweetners used:

Erythritol - sugar alcohol. Feeds gut bacteria, and causes digestive problems like gas and diarehha.

REB A (Purevia Brand) - potential carcinogen. Steroid like chemical from stevia. May impact on the immune system.

IMO, you better off having a low level/moderate amount of sweet, like a touch of fruit or honey than you are having alot of sweet from substances without a history of study or consumption.

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

(4875)

on June 19, 2012
at 02:20 PM

Can you back up your statements on stevia please?

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

(4875)

on June 20, 2012
at 02:55 PM

That's fair - thanks for explaining a bit about the structure!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on June 20, 2012
at 01:37 PM

None of those are "proven" things. Stevia was disapproved by the FDA because of some carcinogen studies, reb a has similar, suspect but not proven type science around it. Its a question mark. It is a steriod like molecule, reb a. That doesnt need proving, its the shape of the molecule. As for immune system, thats what steriods do, they increase or decrease immune responses. So this particular suspicion is based on the chemical structure. Id point you to more detail, but meh, but I am sure you could search it as well as I did when i was looking into stevia.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on June 20, 2012
at 01:36 PM

None of those are proven things. Stevia was disproven by the FDA because of carcinogen studies, reb a has similar, suspect but not proven type science around it. It is a steriod like molecule, reb a. That doesnt need proving, its the shape of the molecule. As for immune system, thats what steriods do, they increase or decrease immune responses. So this suspicion is based on the chemical structure. Id point you to more detail, but meh, but I am sure you could search it as well as I did when i was looking into stevia..

20aee218ca5bce816122348144db9792

(122)

on July 12, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Actually, erythritol starves out oral bacteria, so good for your teeth, and EVERYTING feeds fecobacteria, so that's a moot point. Erythritol is actually one of the few to NOT cause digestive issues. I don't think you should be eating it by the pound, but it is a better sweetener than cane sugar. It is also found in fruit.

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34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 19, 2012
at 12:15 PM

I sympathize with you, especially as it's your first question and quite honestly I don't think it is going to kill you. If your primary goal is weight loss then considering what you've said I don't think it will prevent you from reaching your goals. That said I don't think it's optimal and I also think making it a daily habit seems like a bit much. I'd favor tea as an alternative to plain water when necessary and a little sugar, honey, or other sweetener if you feel it's needed.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 19, 2012
at 12:48 PM

Well granted it is a desire and not a *need* but really, if it is a little; do we *really need to learn the difference?* I mean other than to make unproductive points on internet forums of course.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:17 PM

Learning to differentiate needs from desires has made some huge changes in my life, including making it much, much easier to go paleo. I think we all are sold by marketing so heavily everyday on things that they identify as needs that we have trouble telling the difference. A teaspoon of sugar may not be much to you, but to me as an insulin resistant person it's a big deal and it helps to ID it as a desire, not a necessity. Cable tv access when identified as a desire by someone with a limited income can free up a lot of cash for good meat.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:24 PM

'a little sugar, honey, or other sweetener" is a desire, not a need. We all really must learn the difference.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:43 PM

But I like my coffee hot, sweet and blonde!

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 19, 2012
at 10:41 PM

No, that will suffice Karen. :) I think we all tend to stumble upon various paradigm shifts, ie-grains are not all they're cracked up to be, etc... And we all tend to see the world from our new perspective, projecting our own issues onto everyone else. I just think the interwebs could be a little more useful if people did a little less proselytizing and more sympathizing.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:18 PM

A lot of people have gone deeply into debt because they needed the bigger flashier car or house. Identifying things as desired makes it simpler to make informed choices. You can still choose to add that sugar if you desire to.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:28 PM

And that's my SHORT rant on needs versus desires. Want the LONG version? (-:

20aee218ca5bce816122348144db9792

(122)

on July 26, 2012
at 10:04 PM

Hallelujah, Karen! This is supposed to be a supportive community where people help each other.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on April 06, 2013
at 10:34 PM

I need to put raw honey in my tea. Otherwise my honey jars will never be empty like Matthew's honey jars.

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8b6b983b58bfa8910e52c60fbedbd155

on June 19, 2012
at 01:36 PM

Started the whole30 may 1st, part paleo now.... grabbed a bottle of vitamin water the 1st week on whole30 and thought I was going to get sick. Had my husband take me home, I had to lay down. It took about 3 hours to pass that sick feeling.... My thought is the same, look what is in there....

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707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

on June 19, 2012
at 12:14 PM

Add some fresh fruit to water and let it "marinate" in your fridge for a few hours-- watermelon and mint; blueberry and lemon; raspberry and lime-- whatever combination makes you happy-- now you have something that's similar to vitamin water, albeit cheaper AND healthier

D19fa7b7fc8b5430c7d62447ed155fd7

(35)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:15 PM

Do you use a filter (like cheesecloth) or just drop it in and fish it out?

3ab5e1b9eba22a071f653330b7fc9579

(2262)

on June 19, 2012
at 01:36 PM

I leave it in, it makes for an awfully nice presentation in clear glass

707342e3cb97e0fc088917919a154b8a

(1657)

on June 19, 2012
at 12:32 PM

I drop it in and, much like sangria, I eat the fruit pieces--not the limes and lemons-- but most definitely the raspberries, blueberries, etc-- if I don't have fresh fruit, I use frozen (organic) fruit. :)

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20aee218ca5bce816122348144db9792

on July 12, 2012
at 07:43 PM

Have you tried some fruit oil flavored club soda? When I stopped drinking sugar soda WAY before I went Paleo, I started drinking just club soda with lemon when I went out and La Croix at home.

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