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Do you now or have you taken a statin?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 23, 2011 at 3:46 PM

I take one now, Crestor, but am debating stopping it, given that my cholesterol numbers have plummeted because (in my opinion) of the paleo. Not convinced anyway of the deleterious effects of a high cholesterol number. Has anyone come off them because your numbers rebounded, possibly due to your diet? If you take one do you not worry about its side effects v benefit?

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on February 19, 2011
at 03:23 PM

Thank you so much for sharing, Chris. I think your numbers look gtreat! If mine were that good I would stop taking the statin. I'm having my blood checked in May. That would be 7 months after resuming statins and about 10 months after being paleo. I do take only 10mm. You have probably done yourself a great service, but not taking the statin.

7a1d67d93f254b982e0be4e54086cb4a

(415)

on February 19, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Hi Doris: as promised, here are my numbers (they finally showed up last week): Triglycerides: 48 Total Cholesterol: 198 Cholesterol to HDL ratio: 3.5 HDL Cholesterol: 56 LDL Cholesterol (Friedewald Equation): 132 LDL Cholesterol (Iranian Equation): 103 (I calculated the last one myself using an on line calculator) I don't think I'll be changing anything. I'll stay off the statins. Total cholesterol is reasonable, triglycerides are very low, HDL is good, LDL is mildly elevated...I think I'll take my chances.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on January 26, 2011
at 04:26 PM

Chris before you start taking niacin please check it out. I believe it works a lot like statins with the same endangering of muscles. One still needs to be montitored while taking niacin. I hope you keep your promise and reports your readings on this thread.

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(2682)

on January 26, 2011
at 01:50 PM

I worked at a medical plaza where the head doctor would not allow any drug company vendors or paraphernalia with any drug names on it because he did not want to encourage any of his staff to lean one way or the other with prescriptions based on "freebies."

7a1d67d93f254b982e0be4e54086cb4a

(415)

on January 25, 2011
at 03:28 AM

So what conclusions do you draw? Take statins, which may have terrible side effects? I'm not sure...I think if I see it skyrocket, and after reading everything I can about cholesterol and the risks associated, and if I'm still worried about it, I'll try the niacin route rather than the statin route to control it.

7a1d67d93f254b982e0be4e54086cb4a

(415)

on January 25, 2011
at 03:22 AM

I thought I would get a reading today after the blood draw, but they just took the blod sample. It'll be 2 to 3 weeks before I see the results. FWIW: BP: 109/67 (which is probably the lowest it has ever been---though it has always been in the normal range) and BMI is 26.6---but I'm down almost 100 lbs since 12/2008. I'm not sure what I'll do if the cholesterol comes back extremelt elevated. Ny native common sense says: I've lost about 45 lbs since going paleo, without a huge struggle/ Furthermore: I feel better, mentally, physcially, really for the first time in my life...

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on January 24, 2011
at 08:34 PM

A lot of that has changed, because of that perspective. For instance, where I work, doctors are no longer allowed to have dinner bought for them or other perks like that. I can't testify that the rule is everywhere, but it has changed a lot. But she said "each time they [prescribe a statin] they get a kickback", which is a bit different than "once a year, a drug company may come in and provide some chinese food and hand out pens", which was the reality. But as I said, the big reason doctors prescribe statins is because they get poor ratings on their "report cards" if they don't.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on January 24, 2011
at 02:42 PM

I'm looking forward to your posts. After taking myself off statins April 1, 2010 my cholesterol levels skyrocketed. I'm now taking 10 mm of generic Zocor and was tested 11/9/2010 after 6 wks bck on meds and although still high at total 279, my HDL is 79. I was starting to get those little yellow tags under my eyes which are pockets of cholesterol. Since I got back on low dose statin they are gone. Everything that Eva says is most likely true, but all is not proven yet about the value of statins. We each have to make our own decisions. I am very interested in what yours will be.

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(1299)

on January 24, 2011
at 03:15 AM

They are invited to dinners and recive other perks from the companies. Not all, but many. And it has been shown to affect doctors' prescription-writing.

2b4f887f5fd32a37c6038eb0aaaf3bf5

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on January 23, 2011
at 08:15 PM

Eva, while I do agree with you on a lot of your points, and am really glad you said them (statins have only been shown to work in middle aged men who have heart disease), I do have to call you out on one point! Doctors DO NOT get kick backs from drug companies when they prescribe a drug. I believe that is actually illegal, and certainly unethical. I work with heart surgeons, and I can tell you that none receive $ from prescribing. THE REAL ISSUE is that they are judged by national orgs like Medicare if they don't prescribe a statins, it affects their hospital rating.

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62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 23, 2011
at 05:32 PM

I would not take a statin. I am a woman and statins have never been shown to increase longevity in women nor in the elderly. THey have have only been shown to slightly improve chances in middle aged men with pre existing heart disease and even then, the trials went only for a few years. One was even halted prematurely, maybe because those on statins were expperiencing a statistically significant rise in cases of diabetes. Statins also cause muscle damage which is sometimes even permanent. And many have experienced cognitive disfunction and/or impairment. When you think about it, cholesterol is needed throughout the body for proper function. The brain needs lots of cholesterol and so do the muscles, so it's no surprise that a drug that impairs production of cholesterol will have side effects throughout the body. These days, doctors are happy to prescribe statins because each time they do, they get a kick back from the manufacturer. Also consider that although cholesterol is correlated with some diseases, a causal link has never been found. Just as white blood cells are correlated with infection, that does not mean white blood cells cause infection. The white blood cells are actually there to help. It may well be the same cholesterol as cholesterol has also been found to actually fight germs in the bloodstream. I personally would not take a statin unless there was more credible evidence for them actually working effectively. But as it is, diet, exercise, and healthful living have been found to have far more influence on health and longevity than do statins and also statins have serious and sometimes lifethreatening side effects over time.

2b4f887f5fd32a37c6038eb0aaaf3bf5

(1648)

on January 23, 2011
at 08:15 PM

Eva, while I do agree with you on a lot of your points, and am really glad you said them (statins have only been shown to work in middle aged men who have heart disease), I do have to call you out on one point! Doctors DO NOT get kick backs from drug companies when they prescribe a drug. I believe that is actually illegal, and certainly unethical. I work with heart surgeons, and I can tell you that none receive $ from prescribing. THE REAL ISSUE is that they are judged by national orgs like Medicare if they don't prescribe a statins, it affects their hospital rating.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on January 26, 2011
at 01:50 PM

I worked at a medical plaza where the head doctor would not allow any drug company vendors or paraphernalia with any drug names on it because he did not want to encourage any of his staff to lean one way or the other with prescriptions based on "freebies."

2b4f887f5fd32a37c6038eb0aaaf3bf5

(1648)

on January 24, 2011
at 08:34 PM

A lot of that has changed, because of that perspective. For instance, where I work, doctors are no longer allowed to have dinner bought for them or other perks like that. I can't testify that the rule is everywhere, but it has changed a lot. But she said "each time they [prescribe a statin] they get a kickback", which is a bit different than "once a year, a drug company may come in and provide some chinese food and hand out pens", which was the reality. But as I said, the big reason doctors prescribe statins is because they get poor ratings on their "report cards" if they don't.

7767e05a8c4504f6be03f13ee40815cd

(1299)

on January 24, 2011
at 03:15 AM

They are invited to dinners and recive other perks from the companies. Not all, but many. And it has been shown to affect doctors' prescription-writing.

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on January 23, 2011
at 04:01 PM

There was a meta-reasearch study released this week stating that statins should probably not be prescribed for those not obviously at risk for cardiovascular disease.

http://www.cardiologytoday.com/view.aspx?rID=79704

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Wonder-Drug-Statins-May-Be-Dangerous-6659/

If you no longer have high cholesterol, you should talk to your doctor about getting off them safely.

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on January 23, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Yes. I was on Lipitor for a while. Then I went Paleo and my cholesterol levels fell off a cliff, so I discontinued it with my doctor's blessing.

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on January 23, 2011
at 06:02 PM

Statins like Crestor affect the level of different lipids, and also seem to have a positive effect against inflammation. There are risks associated with statin therapy specially in large doses, specially problems at the muscles. Since I am not a doctor and moreover I know nothing about your particular risk factors I would never advise you one way or another. But you should also know that sometimes statins are overprescribed, I mean that often the effect that you are looking for could be attained either by a much better diet (like Paleo) or by lower levels (dose) of statin, which are often effective with less secondary effect.

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on January 23, 2011
at 04:58 PM

You've probably already read enough about statins if you're considering coming off of Crestor. If not, here is a great article by Dr. Mercola that discusses why we think "high" cholesterol means a total over 200, what statins do, and the likelihood that they'll actually help anyone.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/the-cholesterol-myth-that_b_676817.html

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0325d10660a6c05f071106812108ce84

on June 21, 2011
at 12:07 PM

I was taking statins and it has really bad side effects. i was suffering from memory loss. you can read more about statins side effects at: http://statinssideeffects.co.uk

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on February 19, 2011
at 02:31 AM

If you do take a statin, be sure to take lots of CoQ10 (statins deplete it).

If you have not started to take a statin, please get a second and third opinion.

Statins can also wreck your memory.

Check out http://www.spacedoc.net/ The site is run by Dr. Duane Graveline, MD (a former astronaut who was on a statin, and stopped taking it. Any alleged benefit can be far out weighed by the side effects. This site has lots of good information.

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7a1d67d93f254b982e0be4e54086cb4a

(415)

on February 19, 2011
at 01:45 AM

Hi Doris (above): As promised, here are my numbers (they finally showed up last week):

-Triglycerides: 48 -Total Cholesterol: 198 -Cholesterol to HDL ratio: 3.5 -HDL Cholesterol: 56 -LDL Cholesterol (Friedewald Equation): 132 -LDL Cholesterol (Iranian Equation): 103 (I calculated the last one myself using an on line calculator)

I think a statin in this circumstance is probably over doing it.

I don't think I'll be changing anything. I'll stay off the statins. Total cholesterol is reasonable, triglycerides are very low, HDL is good, LDL is mildly elevated...I think I'll take my chances.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on February 19, 2011
at 03:23 PM

Thank you so much for sharing, Chris. I think your numbers look gtreat! If mine were that good I would stop taking the statin. I'm having my blood checked in May. That would be 7 months after resuming statins and about 10 months after being paleo. I do take only 10mm. You have probably done yourself a great service, but not taking the statin.

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7a1d67d93f254b982e0be4e54086cb4a

(415)

on January 23, 2011
at 04:02 PM

I was taking Crestor until November of this past year and decided to take myself off to see what happens.

-I should find out in the next week since I'm due for a biometric screening at work.

I decided to stop taking it since:

-My diet has vastly improved since going paleo in March 2010.

-I've dropped 45 lbs since going Paleo (Approx 215 to approx 170).

-I've added muscle at the same time.

-My cardio conditioning has vastly improved in that time (via HIIT).

-I think a lot of the statins may have really negative side effects...worse than the effects of having elevated LDL cholesterol (which may or may not be a bad thing...still appears debateable---my intuition tells me it isn't a bad thing, by itself, but then again I had $50 bucks riding on the Pats...).

My biometric screen is tommorrow so I'll post my stats here tomorrow evening.

7a1d67d93f254b982e0be4e54086cb4a

(415)

on January 25, 2011
at 03:28 AM

So what conclusions do you draw? Take statins, which may have terrible side effects? I'm not sure...I think if I see it skyrocket, and after reading everything I can about cholesterol and the risks associated, and if I'm still worried about it, I'll try the niacin route rather than the statin route to control it.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on January 26, 2011
at 04:26 PM

Chris before you start taking niacin please check it out. I believe it works a lot like statins with the same endangering of muscles. One still needs to be montitored while taking niacin. I hope you keep your promise and reports your readings on this thread.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on January 24, 2011
at 02:42 PM

I'm looking forward to your posts. After taking myself off statins April 1, 2010 my cholesterol levels skyrocketed. I'm now taking 10 mm of generic Zocor and was tested 11/9/2010 after 6 wks bck on meds and although still high at total 279, my HDL is 79. I was starting to get those little yellow tags under my eyes which are pockets of cholesterol. Since I got back on low dose statin they are gone. Everything that Eva says is most likely true, but all is not proven yet about the value of statins. We each have to make our own decisions. I am very interested in what yours will be.

7a1d67d93f254b982e0be4e54086cb4a

(415)

on January 25, 2011
at 03:22 AM

I thought I would get a reading today after the blood draw, but they just took the blod sample. It'll be 2 to 3 weeks before I see the results. FWIW: BP: 109/67 (which is probably the lowest it has ever been---though it has always been in the normal range) and BMI is 26.6---but I'm down almost 100 lbs since 12/2008. I'm not sure what I'll do if the cholesterol comes back extremelt elevated. Ny native common sense says: I've lost about 45 lbs since going paleo, without a huge struggle/ Furthermore: I feel better, mentally, physcially, really for the first time in my life...

7a1d67d93f254b982e0be4e54086cb4a

(415)

on February 19, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Hi Doris: as promised, here are my numbers (they finally showed up last week): Triglycerides: 48 Total Cholesterol: 198 Cholesterol to HDL ratio: 3.5 HDL Cholesterol: 56 LDL Cholesterol (Friedewald Equation): 132 LDL Cholesterol (Iranian Equation): 103 (I calculated the last one myself using an on line calculator) I don't think I'll be changing anything. I'll stay off the statins. Total cholesterol is reasonable, triglycerides are very low, HDL is good, LDL is mildly elevated...I think I'll take my chances.

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02e538ab33b5d65de224cd7b2325a1ef

(0)

on July 25, 2012
at 12:39 AM

I had a stroke early this year (age = early 30s) and have been on simvastatin since then.

I had a horrible diet for many years leading up to this but had been eating low carb / paleo diet for a couple of years since turning 30. My cholesterol numbers were fine even without the drug (total < 200, ldl < 100) according to the doc but he wants me on it because of some alleged reduction in inflammation. They weren't able to find a clear cause of the stroke to point to.

He referred to studies that show decreased chance of 2nd stroke in people like me when they take statins. It sure doesn't seem to make sense when reading the counterarguments against statins, but I'm scared shitless to go against his instructions.

Both my neurologist and primary care doc want me on it. I've talked to a family friend who's a cardiologist and he wants me on one as well.

I haven't noticed any negative side effects yet but I worry quite a bit about the talk of memory/cognitive problems.

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on January 27, 2011
at 09:16 AM

Really good articleon Cholesterol posted on twitter by Chris Kresser - http://chriskresser.com/blog/5-reasons-not-to-worry-about-your-cholesterol-numbers/

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5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

(1781)

on January 27, 2011
at 09:12 AM

It sounds, judging by the weightloss at least, that you have made some very positive changes to your diet. If you are following the Paleo model and eliminating sugar, grains etc I'm sure your blood profile will come back much improved. But regardless, don't get railroaded into taking a statin, the dangers far outweigh the perceived benefits. IMO. Good luck..

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3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on January 26, 2011
at 04:46 AM

uberbulldog,

Statins s*ck. They don't do what the drug manufacturers purport that they are supposed to do -- prevent heart attacks. Crestor is highly associated with increasing risk of diabetes Type 2 and kidney failure.

http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2011/01/20/bad-news-for-statins-is-good-news/

Additionally they affect cognition and testosterone (which like all sex hormones and cortisol and vitamin D, is a cholesterol derivative). Low sex hormones are associated with all-cause mortality, cancer, depression, boys-becoming-girls and heart disease.

-G

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95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on January 24, 2011
at 02:47 AM

I took one several years ago and I had to quit taking it because it was raising my CPK level too high and causing muscle fatigue and soreness. This was well before I became a paleo eater. I'm glad I quit taking it back then after all I've learned about statins in the last year or so. It wasn't doing anything to improve my numbers. Eating lots of animal products and staying away from sugar and grains has done the trick.

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