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The Starch Solution

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 04, 2012 at 9:41 PM

No, I'm not kidding. It is a new book by Dr. McDougall. Anybody read it?

http://www.amazon.com/The-Starch-Solution-Regain-Health/dp/1609613937/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338845875&sr=8-1

He also has a talk on youtube about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ3hS9jpmm0

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 16, 2012
at 02:13 AM

Korion - Fructoses role in NAFLD is pretty well established. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20368739

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 12, 2012
at 10:23 PM

If you plug 2000kcal into FitDay you'll see that both have you over 100% in a lot of your RDA. Where eggs fail miserably are minerals which are essential, while potatoes are decidedly low in fat soluable vitamins. That said resistant starch will generate butyrate in the colon. No culture has lived of just eggs but cultures have lived off primarily potato. Now put your penis away, this isn't a fuckin contest.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on July 27, 2012
at 06:39 PM

Noticing how Cliff never responded to what I said.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on June 14, 2012
at 10:38 PM

I plug 200 g of potato into Cronometer and get 13% of nutritional targets achieved. I plug 200 g of egg into Cronometer and get 43% of nutritional targets achieved.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on June 05, 2012
at 05:17 PM

I dunno if you look at cronometer they are a pretty complete food, maybe your dogma prevents you from seeing that?

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

(345)

on June 05, 2012
at 02:35 PM

Sugar (and excess sugar) is more far-reaching than vegetable oils in developing countries. Many such countries stick to their native methods of frying, using ghee, cocnut oil, than using vegetable oils as in the U.S. This is why to assume that vegetable oils are responsible for the diabetic epidemic in such countries is unreasonable.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 05, 2012
at 09:08 AM

Mambo, I don't understand your comment at all. You seem to assume fructose causes fatty liver disease? *"Plus, my understanding is that seed oils are not as prevalent as sugar-landen foods in countries such as the Philippines."* That's just an assumption, dude.

5e63e3fa78e998736106a4a5b9aef58c

on June 05, 2012
at 07:21 AM

I've been browsing McDougall's website, and the diet he's describing is pretty much the exact same low-fat vegan diet I was on in my early-mid 20s. And yeah, I was skinny then, but that's about the only good I experienced. I can remember how hungry, cranky, depressed, cold, and tired I was all the time, despite eating huge amounts of healthy, whole foods--and I can also remember how much better when I gave up and went back to eating meat and fat again.Some folks might be able to sustain that way of eating; I'm definitely not one of them.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on June 05, 2012
at 05:42 AM

Potatoes aren't even close to perfect.

8dbe73235f73c615f20d3d0f34b4852a

(1365)

on June 05, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Agreed. Once you knock out the big contenders of autoimmunity, it's hard NOT to be relatively healthy on a diet. They last 5% of diet tweaking may favor more meat with some people and more veggies with some people. Looks like the Doog has had some luck with starch.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on June 05, 2012
at 01:35 AM

That is essentially how I eat...A McDougal-Paleo type diet.

5e63e3fa78e998736106a4a5b9aef58c

on June 05, 2012
at 01:12 AM

@miked: Yeah, I've changed my attitude toward starches, thanks to reading other Paleohackers' experiences. My metabolism is busted after decades of sugar abuse, so starches are OUT if I want to lose weight, and probably won't be a regular part of my diet if I want to maintain weight loss. But for someone who *hasn't* wrecked themselves? The idea of a high-starch paleo diet doesn't make me recoil in horror anymore, LOL.

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

(345)

on June 05, 2012
at 01:04 AM

If the fructose in sugar/HFCS is not the problem, then why would the precursor to diabetes be liver derangement, i.e., fatty liver? If trans fat or PUFA in seed oil is the problem, would they similarly affect your liver? I don't think so. Plus, my understanding is that seed oils are not as prevalent as sugar-landen foods in countries such as the Philippines. It's hard to believe seed oils being responsible for diabetes when the most likely culprit is sugar and hyperglycemic effect being magnificed by a pre-existing multiple-starch diet.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 05, 2012
at 12:27 AM

Starch is also more likely to cause hypoglycemia than sugar but it really isn't an issue if you don't eat PUFA with it or have a high concentration of PUfa in your tissue

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:26 AM

@mambo- Those countries suffer so badly from diabetes because they have replaced traditional fats with seed oils. Seed oils prevent the glucose from be metabolized by the cells and damage the mitochondria which causes even more severe hypoglycemia and blood sugar issues. This is the only correlation that holds true and why cultures can often avoid diabetes and degenerative diseases by using saturated fat sources.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:22 AM

The problem is definitely not fructose imo. I've had no issues eating over 300g of fructose everyday and I feel a lot better than I ever did eating the equivalent in potatoes. My brother has had the same experience. Fyi you don't want to keep insulin low if your looking to build muscle or tissue.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:21 AM

I think the main problem with starches is relying to heavily on grains due to the phosphorus and fiber. Potatoes and tubers are generally safe, fruits are probably even better imo. @foreveryoung my comment was in regards to neil, I'm saying there are plenty of anecdotes of people healing autoimmune condition s on mcdougall's forum.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:18 AM

Not to mention all the nutrients eggs are missing. Milk is probably the best food if you want to eat only one food(that's a pretty dumb thing to do though imo), potatoes are probably pretty high up there too due to there high quality protein and nutrients.

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:17 AM

If you doubt, just take a gander at those denizens of countries whose traditional diets are hyperglycemic to begin with (e.g., India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Singapore). These countrie are now the diabetic hub of the wheel. Why? Starch + Western Hyperpalatability (most of ten in the form of sugar/HFCS) = Immediate Insulin Resistance. It's not just the sguar. It's the sugar AND pre-existing hyperglycemic diet: these countries eat multiple forms of starch (wheat, rice, potatoes, millet, etc.) not just one (rice, as in East Asia).

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Starch + hyperpalatable foods (chips, soda, candies, cakes) = metabolic derangement due to hyperglycemic load. Starch + hypopalatable foods (kale, collard greens, bone broth, veggies) = perfect health. Low reward foods do not magnify the hyperglycemic effect of starchy foods. Hyperglycemic + Hyperpalatability = Metabolic Doom.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:12 AM

You would likely die of renal failure if tried to survive on eggs alone.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:08 AM

I'm happy to see his book. I'm not saying vegan diets are good but the sooner everyone stops blaming carbs for things the quicker we can move forward. SAD blaming saturated fat and demonizing it is very similar to LC and many paleo folks' fear of carbohydrate.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:06 AM

Eggs are good yeah but they have no sugar, no carbohydrate. Eating them alone would be terrible. Your digestion would take a dive.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:49 PM

If I am not mistaken, McDougall is all about cutting out all processed foods, yes? I think we pound on whole foods vegan diets more than we maybe need to. Sure, I don't think it's by any means optimal, but you could do a lot worse. Plenty of traditional cultures eat high starch.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:46 PM

I wouldn't agree with eggs. Granted, a lot of people are sensitive to nightshades, but eggs are problematic to far more people than are potatoes.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:12 PM

We're the most adaptable species on the planet and I do not think starch alone is killing us. I think that if you do not have a damaged metabolism from obesity/fructose/seed oils it can be a healthy addition to a diet that includes animal products.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:09 PM

I'd also definitely wanting to be standing far upwind, should you decide to start subsiding off eggs.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:06 PM

Vitamin A is toxic. You would die or get very sick eating maintenance calories from just eggs. That would not be the case with potatoes.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:03 PM

Also, I would not want to be within 100 yards of you from the wind you'd be letting loose eating 2000+ calories from just eggs.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:02 PM

retinol is toxic in high doses, is it not?

Medium avatar

(3259)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:59 PM

Depends what your disorder is. Starch has been implicated in a few autoimmune diseases - ankylosing spondylitis, Crohn's, IBS. I came to the paleo diet indirectly through the work of Dr. Ebringer and a book by Carol Sinclair ("IBS Low Starch Diet").

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 04, 2012
at 10:58 PM

p.s. your profile picture is best I've seen on here. BAMF.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on June 04, 2012
at 10:54 PM

The perfect single food? Surely the word you were looking for was "eggs"?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:50 PM

For sure. McDougall says potatoes are the perfect SINGLE food. I would have to agree on that count. However, I do think that adding in additional sources of calories/nutrients would make for a better overall diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:49 PM

yeah, man for sure. He says potatoes are the perfect SINGLE food, and I would have to agree on that count. That doesn't mean that one can't add additional sources of calories/nutrients to make a better overall diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 04, 2012
at 10:48 PM

Cliff, I'm not saying that a paleo diet has not helped anyone. It has helped tons and I have no doubt about that.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:45 PM

I've a hidden agenda knocking the orthorexia out of this place. People can thrive on practically anything as long as it's predominantly real food.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:43 PM

There was also this adamant very low carber who had a site called cutthecarb.com. He began adding more starch in his diet and found that his body composition and mood improved dramatically. Soon after he dropped the domain and the site no longer exists.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:42 PM

Word. I'm pretty sure we're the most adaptable species on the planet and that potatoes are not killing us. I've said before I'm pretty sure if you've never damaged your metabolism by becoming obese or eating seed oils/fructose, then starch is an extremely healthy part of the diet. I don't personally eat a starch based diet, but I don't really eat an animal based on either. It's a pretty mixed bag.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20888)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:39 PM

Most of the curing autoimmune stuff comes from getting rid of the wheat.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:36 PM

Plenty of anecdotes of just that on his forum

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:26 PM

http://www.drmcdougall.com/video/diet_ms.html

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qlab5btPP4&feature=email&email=comment_received

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 05, 2012
at 04:57 AM

I did basically a diet he would approach of (cooked starch-based unprocessed diet, though McDougall does allow a fair amt of wheat and soy, which I didn't eat) when I did a vegan paleo experiment and while it wasn't like all my problems from before paleo came back, I was depressed all the time and my period ended up irregular. Similar to plain old raw veganism. I think it lacks a lot of bad stuff, but McDougall honestly believes animal products aren't very good for you. I think the lack of that, in the long-term is not good, particularly for active fertile young people.

This is a good review on amazon, though it's a little sad because I think this person would have done much better without McDougall's diet.

5e63e3fa78e998736106a4a5b9aef58c

on June 05, 2012
at 07:21 AM

I've been browsing McDougall's website, and the diet he's describing is pretty much the exact same low-fat vegan diet I was on in my early-mid 20s. And yeah, I was skinny then, but that's about the only good I experienced. I can remember how hungry, cranky, depressed, cold, and tired I was all the time, despite eating huge amounts of healthy, whole foods--and I can also remember how much better when I gave up and went back to eating meat and fat again.Some folks might be able to sustain that way of eating; I'm definitely not one of them.

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on June 04, 2012
at 10:38 PM

You can easily turn his diet into a paleo diet with tubers and other paleo approved starches. Dropping the vegan aspect and getting some liver, gelatin, dairy and meat could make it even better.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:06 PM

Vitamin A is toxic. You would die or get very sick eating maintenance calories from just eggs. That would not be the case with potatoes.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:49 PM

yeah, man for sure. He says potatoes are the perfect SINGLE food, and I would have to agree on that count. That doesn't mean that one can't add additional sources of calories/nutrients to make a better overall diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:50 PM

For sure. McDougall says potatoes are the perfect SINGLE food. I would have to agree on that count. However, I do think that adding in additional sources of calories/nutrients would make for a better overall diet.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 05, 2012
at 12:06 AM

Eggs are good yeah but they have no sugar, no carbohydrate. Eating them alone would be terrible. Your digestion would take a dive.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:54 PM

The perfect single food? Surely the word you were looking for was "eggs"?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 05, 2012
at 12:12 AM

You would likely die of renal failure if tried to survive on eggs alone.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:03 PM

Also, I would not want to be within 100 yards of you from the wind you'd be letting loose eating 2000+ calories from just eggs.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:02 PM

retinol is toxic in high doses, is it not?

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

(4347)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:46 PM

I wouldn't agree with eggs. Granted, a lot of people are sensitive to nightshades, but eggs are problematic to far more people than are potatoes.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on June 05, 2012
at 01:35 AM

That is essentially how I eat...A McDougal-Paleo type diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 11:09 PM

I'd also definitely wanting to be standing far upwind, should you decide to start subsiding off eggs.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 05, 2012
at 05:17 PM

I dunno if you look at cronometer they are a pretty complete food, maybe your dogma prevents you from seeing that?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 05, 2012
at 12:18 AM

Not to mention all the nutrients eggs are missing. Milk is probably the best food if you want to eat only one food(that's a pretty dumb thing to do though imo), potatoes are probably pretty high up there too due to there high quality protein and nutrients.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on June 05, 2012
at 05:42 AM

Potatoes aren't even close to perfect.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on June 14, 2012
at 10:38 PM

I plug 200 g of potato into Cronometer and get 13% of nutritional targets achieved. I plug 200 g of egg into Cronometer and get 43% of nutritional targets achieved.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on July 27, 2012
at 06:39 PM

Noticing how Cliff never responded to what I said.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 12, 2012
at 10:23 PM

If you plug 2000kcal into FitDay you'll see that both have you over 100% in a lot of your RDA. Where eggs fail miserably are minerals which are essential, while potatoes are decidedly low in fat soluable vitamins. That said resistant starch will generate butyrate in the colon. No culture has lived of just eggs but cultures have lived off primarily potato. Now put your penis away, this isn't a fuckin contest.

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8dbe73235f73c615f20d3d0f34b4852a

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on June 04, 2012
at 10:15 PM

When we start seeing the "I cured my autoimmune disorder on the Starch Diet", I'll listen.

8dbe73235f73c615f20d3d0f34b4852a

(1365)

on June 05, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Agreed. Once you knock out the big contenders of autoimmunity, it's hard NOT to be relatively healthy on a diet. They last 5% of diet tweaking may favor more meat with some people and more veggies with some people. Looks like the Doog has had some luck with starch.

Medium avatar

(3259)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:59 PM

Depends what your disorder is. Starch has been implicated in a few autoimmune diseases - ankylosing spondylitis, Crohn's, IBS. I came to the paleo diet indirectly through the work of Dr. Ebringer and a book by Carol Sinclair ("IBS Low Starch Diet").

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:48 PM

Cliff, I'm not saying that a paleo diet has not helped anyone. It has helped tons and I have no doubt about that.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qlab5btPP4&feature=email&email=comment_received

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:36 PM

Plenty of anecdotes of just that on his forum

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20888)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:39 PM

Most of the curing autoimmune stuff comes from getting rid of the wheat.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 05, 2012
at 12:21 AM

I think the main problem with starches is relying to heavily on grains due to the phosphorus and fiber. Potatoes and tubers are generally safe, fruits are probably even better imo. @foreveryoung my comment was in regards to neil, I'm saying there are plenty of anecdotes of people healing autoimmune condition s on mcdougall's forum.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:26 PM

http://www.drmcdougall.com/video/diet_ms.html

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5e63e3fa78e998736106a4a5b9aef58c

on June 05, 2012
at 03:47 AM

Okay, I'm watching the video you linked to, because I wasn't terribly familiar with McDougall's particular take on things.

There's way too many things I'd like to pick apart. One that stood out, however, was his description of a trip to Lake Titicaca (~22:45) where, having not seeing many fat people while on his Peruvian vacation, he noticed that all the women there were fat. And he asked why.

The people he observed live on huge rafts in the lake, and they told him that most of their diet was made up of fried fish. Fried fish. "Fried in exactly what kind of fat?" would be my first question (and I'd bet I can guess the correct answer), but McDougall blames their fatness on the fact that they eat fish, selectively ignoring the "fried" part.

He also doesn't say what else these people ate (did they eat wheat flour? sugar?), or whether the women got to eat more or less fish/starches than the men (for instance, if they got less fish and ate more starch than the men, as well as seed oils, I'd expect them to be fatter).

And, of course, at no point does he suggest that sugar and highly-refined starches might be a problem--all of our ills are solely due to eating animal products.

[facepalm]

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20888)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:39 PM

I've been coming around to the idea that starch (glucose polymers) isn't that bad. I still prefer a low carb solution to keep insulin low for the benefits of having low insulin. But I'm thinking that it's mainly the fructose that's the toxic part of sugar. As a result, I've been playing around with more starch PWO and have been feeling good and not putting on weight. I think as we learn more, we'll be able to figure out better what is bad for us. I'm thinking that it's mainly the fructose and seed oils that are the main thing and that in general there is no single macronutrient that's "bad".

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

(345)

on June 05, 2012
at 01:04 AM

If the fructose in sugar/HFCS is not the problem, then why would the precursor to diabetes be liver derangement, i.e., fatty liver? If trans fat or PUFA in seed oil is the problem, would they similarly affect your liver? I don't think so. Plus, my understanding is that seed oils are not as prevalent as sugar-landen foods in countries such as the Philippines. It's hard to believe seed oils being responsible for diabetes when the most likely culprit is sugar and hyperglycemic effect being magnificed by a pre-existing multiple-starch diet.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 05, 2012
at 12:26 AM

@mambo- Those countries suffer so badly from diabetes because they have replaced traditional fats with seed oils. Seed oils prevent the glucose from be metabolized by the cells and damage the mitochondria which causes even more severe hypoglycemia and blood sugar issues. This is the only correlation that holds true and why cultures can often avoid diabetes and degenerative diseases by using saturated fat sources.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:43 PM

There was also this adamant very low carber who had a site called cutthecarb.com. He began adding more starch in his diet and found that his body composition and mood improved dramatically. Soon after he dropped the domain and the site no longer exists.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:42 PM

Word. I'm pretty sure we're the most adaptable species on the planet and that potatoes are not killing us. I've said before I'm pretty sure if you've never damaged your metabolism by becoming obese or eating seed oils/fructose, then starch is an extremely healthy part of the diet. I don't personally eat a starch based diet, but I don't really eat an animal based on either. It's a pretty mixed bag.

5e63e3fa78e998736106a4a5b9aef58c

on June 05, 2012
at 01:12 AM

@miked: Yeah, I've changed my attitude toward starches, thanks to reading other Paleohackers' experiences. My metabolism is busted after decades of sugar abuse, so starches are OUT if I want to lose weight, and probably won't be a regular part of my diet if I want to maintain weight loss. But for someone who *hasn't* wrecked themselves? The idea of a high-starch paleo diet doesn't make me recoil in horror anymore, LOL.

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

(345)

on June 05, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Starch + hyperpalatable foods (chips, soda, candies, cakes) = metabolic derangement due to hyperglycemic load. Starch + hypopalatable foods (kale, collard greens, bone broth, veggies) = perfect health. Low reward foods do not magnify the hyperglycemic effect of starchy foods. Hyperglycemic + Hyperpalatability = Metabolic Doom.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 05, 2012
at 09:08 AM

Mambo, I don't understand your comment at all. You seem to assume fructose causes fatty liver disease? *"Plus, my understanding is that seed oils are not as prevalent as sugar-landen foods in countries such as the Philippines."* That's just an assumption, dude.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:58 PM

p.s. your profile picture is best I've seen on here. BAMF.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:45 PM

I've a hidden agenda knocking the orthorexia out of this place. People can thrive on practically anything as long as it's predominantly real food.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:12 PM

We're the most adaptable species on the planet and I do not think starch alone is killing us. I think that if you do not have a damaged metabolism from obesity/fructose/seed oils it can be a healthy addition to a diet that includes animal products.

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:27 AM

Starch is also more likely to cause hypoglycemia than sugar but it really isn't an issue if you don't eat PUFA with it or have a high concentration of PUfa in your tissue

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:17 AM

If you doubt, just take a gander at those denizens of countries whose traditional diets are hyperglycemic to begin with (e.g., India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Singapore). These countrie are now the diabetic hub of the wheel. Why? Starch + Western Hyperpalatability (most of ten in the form of sugar/HFCS) = Immediate Insulin Resistance. It's not just the sguar. It's the sugar AND pre-existing hyperglycemic diet: these countries eat multiple forms of starch (wheat, rice, potatoes, millet, etc.) not just one (rice, as in East Asia).

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:22 AM

The problem is definitely not fructose imo. I've had no issues eating over 300g of fructose everyday and I feel a lot better than I ever did eating the equivalent in potatoes. My brother has had the same experience. Fyi you don't want to keep insulin low if your looking to build muscle or tissue.

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on June 05, 2012
at 02:35 PM

Sugar (and excess sugar) is more far-reaching than vegetable oils in developing countries. Many such countries stick to their native methods of frying, using ghee, cocnut oil, than using vegetable oils as in the U.S. This is why to assume that vegetable oils are responsible for the diabetic epidemic in such countries is unreasonable.

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on August 16, 2012
at 02:13 AM

Korion - Fructoses role in NAFLD is pretty well established. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20368739

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