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Bananas VS tubers and safe starches

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 17, 2012 at 5:07 AM

I am currently trying RAW Paleo. I eat all my vegetables raw, occasionally raw sashimi, but I also have some cooked meat as well.

I felt like I needed some starch because eating raw cucumbers and raw carrots does not fill me up. So I have been eating at least 10 bananas each day for their starch content in addition to other raw vegetables and berries. This is the only starchy fruit I know. I do not know anything else starchy and raw.

So far so good, but I have a question: are there any benefits of eating bananas vs tubers/safe starches or visa versa?

What is more nutritionally dense - bananas or cooked pumpkins? Do you know any other sources of raw starch?

Thanks in advance!

8634d4988ced45a68e2a79e69cc01835

(1617)

on October 03, 2012
at 03:54 PM

Uh oh. Why are cashews bad?

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 19, 2012
at 12:48 PM

Be careful with the fermentation though, you do not want to eat problematic bacteria or fungus. If the fermented food looks bad or smells bad, or you have a bad feeling throw it out.

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 19, 2012
at 12:47 PM

If your problem is digestive, then you should consider consuming a lot of fermented foods. They will help aid the digestion. Actually if you fermented the vegetables with their own bacteria, ie ferment them without cooking, then you will gain the ability to digest them. I agree you should avoid things that cause problems.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 18, 2012
at 05:18 AM

@Matt - you are probably right. For now I eat things that do not bother my stomach and it seems to be working. I used to have stomach pains after everything I ate. My stomach does not hurt now when I eat many things.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 17, 2012
at 09:06 PM

@VB. I have to wonder if all your experiments were worth anything. It takes weeks to do proper elimination diets. If you're swapping variables willy-nilly then you're very likely to get a confused result. Not sure you're doing your gut any good with your current diet. It's likely just holding the status quo.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Not a starch, but you could eat coconuts for calories if they don't bother your digestion. Pretty common for raw eaters to get lots of calories from coconut.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:20 PM

Sunchokes? Also called Jerusalem artichokes. I believe you can eat them raw. And jicama? They're ok raw I believe too. Don't know if they're well concentrated for starch like potato but better than all-bananas perhaps.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:17 PM

I cannot have oil, chili flakes and lemon juice - not sure why they bother my stomach, maybe because of my gastritis. However, I continue to eat cooked kale (raw is a bit bitter) and other cooked vegetables on occasions even though they make me feel a bit tired. Thanks for all the suggestions.

9426eec8c8385c90bdf843aa44bd5a4b

(200)

on July 17, 2012
at 06:12 PM

The Kale can be eaten raw. I oil it up and use red chili flakes and lemon juice. Sorta forgot about the Sweet potatoes needing to be cooked, sorry. However, they are supposed to be good for blood sugar stability as are bananas if eaten in suitable quantities. If you can get a to a point where you're not tired from eating cooked food, that's the next thing I'd go for.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 17, 2012
at 05:37 PM

I was thinking about fermented foods but I am a bit scared. Both of my doctors told me that if I don't continue with PPI, I will end up with an ulcer, and I stopped taking it because I felt so much worse. I feel better without PPI. I will wait till I feel my stomach can handle more foods and re-introduce fermented foods. It is definitely on my "favorite foods" list.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Oh Gosh - I forgot that Paleo people have elevated levels of testosterone... Nola - thank you for your answer, but the bottom line is: I can only eat what my stomach can handle, and there are not a lot of foods it can handle right now so... bananas are in!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:32 PM

I have tried to have lemon juice and thought I would die. That's a no-no for me. Bananas give me energy, so do cucumbers, carrots, etc. However, cucumbers do not fill me up, bananas do. Especially the combination of both - I get tired of eating just bananas.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 17, 2012
at 05:30 PM

Ashley, thank you for your comment - I am looking for RAW foods. I will try your suggestions to wean myself off bananas. Raw foods are fine and they do not slow me down. I made tons of experiments, and raw foods (even bananas) give me tons of energy whether cooked foods (even cooked kale) makes me sleepy. I believe I have a problem digesting so I am looking into RAW foods that fill me up.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on July 17, 2012
at 04:32 PM

^Depends on what the meal is. VB, it's very obvious to me that you have low stomach acid. Even more so after I just read you used a PPI.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on July 17, 2012
at 04:30 PM

Cashews aren't exactly a "good" food.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on July 17, 2012
at 03:40 PM

Would you consider adding fermented food to your personal list of "allowed" foods? Could help open up some options (and nutrition) to you.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on July 17, 2012
at 03:32 PM

Yeah, NOLA...didn't you know we feed on nuances and one upping each other here? Don't try to offer a simple answer or you'll be pounced on like an injured baby separated from the herd ;).

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 17, 2012
at 02:41 PM

Yep, lets make sure we don't use farmer's markets either since they weren't around then. For that matter, maybe we should just use foods found in subsahara Africa. Man, this paleo stuff is quite complicated.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

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on July 17, 2012
at 02:28 PM

I think Dave was referencing this: http://www.30bananasaday.com/

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 17, 2012
at 01:36 PM

Also, who's to say that being sleepy/lazy after a meal isn't normal?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 17, 2012
at 12:41 PM

My hormones are fine, but I am not sure how to check whether it is psychosomatic or not. I don't think it is, but I am not sure. I have never heard of anyone who would get sleepy after eating cooked food, especially cooked protein.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 17, 2012
at 12:22 PM

I can only eat 8-10 for some reason, sometimes less. I eat a lot of other vegetables - zucchini (raw), carrots, cucumbers, parsley, spinach, etc.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 12:20 PM

It began when I started taking PPIs for the second time. I got really bad pains after eating. Maybe PPIs screwed up my enzymes somehow. I think it is very odd myself and hope it will get better since I stopped taking PPIs (I felt better right away).I think it is a digestive issue and hope it is going to resolve itself since I no longer take PPIs.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 17, 2012
at 12:16 PM

I agree the moratorium and intolerance for cooked foods is odd. Don't know what to make of that. Sounds psychosomatic, or some serious hormonal issues…

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 12:14 PM

I cannot eat a variety of fruit - my stomach hurts. I have already tried everything. I fall asleep after eating cooked meat and fish too, but I try to eat them in the evening anyway. I know, it does not make much sense but this is the reality of my life - I have to deal with it.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on July 17, 2012
at 12:12 PM

10 bananas per day are not enough. Try 30.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 17, 2012
at 12:09 PM

There are better reasons to criticize a 10 banana/day habit than it's not reenactment worthy.

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

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on July 17, 2012
at 10:11 AM

I don't usually disagree with someone stating their N=1 but to put a blanket on cooked food making you feel 'worse' and fall asleep seems well, ridiculous. You said in your original post you eat some cooked meat, so I don't know what that says about your strange logic in sentence no2.. I'm sure you have your reasons for hunting down starch but considering some peat principles you might find some relief/ satiety from eating a variety of fruits and then some energy benefits over time from the sugars (provided you aren't too insulin resistant and you don't crank the sugars too hard in one hit).

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:47 AM

Yeah, because fruit doesn't exist in the wild right? And of why would paleolithic humans eat fruit, fruit tastes gross! lol @ this answer.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 17, 2012
at 06:56 AM

@Primal NOLA - here is the proof that bananas are Paleo: 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_acuminata 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_balbisiana

9e3bf43de29f66e5bb7be9c7d176b5e1

(539)

on July 17, 2012
at 06:43 AM

I still need to read Cordain's books. I am really more primal than Paleo. Sisson seems to be ok with moderate quantities of squash, sweet potatoes, yams, etc., but 1) recommends limiting fruit and 2) doesn't include bananas on his "OK" list.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 06:11 AM

@Primal NOLA - by the way, sweet potatoes are not exactly Paleo - check with Cordain's book. Bananas are more Paleo than sweet potatoes.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 06:09 AM

@Primal NOLA - Nothing that you buy in the store now, even organic, existed during Paleolithic times. Carrots did not have as much sugar, just as apples and even cranberries - a garden variety is different from a wild one. So if you want to be true Paleo you have to actually hunt wild game and gather wild roots and leaves. Everything else has been bred, cross-pollinated and selected for most sugar content. So it is not fair to apply those rules to bananas only.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 17, 2012
at 06:05 AM

Cashews are full of starch, if you want an uncooked source of starch. Most nuts have some level of starch, but it varies.

9e3bf43de29f66e5bb7be9c7d176b5e1

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on July 17, 2012
at 05:58 AM

Actually poultry and apples aren't really all that desirable on a true hunter gatherer diet either, anand srivastava. And VB, I'm talking about the type of bananas you find in the grocery store. True wild bananas are different, and in paleolithic times, you would not have find modern bananas that were as high in sugar. They did not exist.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:39 AM

I do not do well with cooked foods. Maybe cooked food is more nutritious, but I fall asleep after eating cooked food. I can only eat what makes me feel better and cooked food is not what makes me feel better, it makes me feel exhausted.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:37 AM

I can digest fish and meat, but avocado and olives do not agree with me. I can only eat what I can.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:36 AM

First of all, bananas did exist and they still do exist in the wild. I went on a botanical tour and we actually had wild bananas. They are smaller and have more seeds, but they still exist in the wild. Yams and sweet potatoes need to be cooked. I cannot digest cooked food well.

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 17, 2012
at 05:27 AM

Yeah we know that we had chickens in the paleolithic :-). Or that there were apples.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 17, 2012
at 05:08 AM

Tubers generally need to be cooked.

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4fb235246d1cdbebd25c02d20b5b1a89

(30)

on October 03, 2012
at 12:58 PM

Jicama (a tuber) is excellent raw, and if you really want to wake up your taste buds squeeze some lime juice on it and add a little salt and chili powder!

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34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 17, 2012
at 05:30 AM

If you are restricting yourself to Raw foods, obviously raw pumpkin is not edible, so you need to eat the bananas for the carbs. Anyway cooked foods are more nutritious than uncooked foods, because the nutrients are more bio available.

But you still need a decent amount of uncooked foods because some nutrients get destroyed in the cooking process.

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

(720)

on July 17, 2012
at 10:11 AM

I don't usually disagree with someone stating their N=1 but to put a blanket on cooked food making you feel 'worse' and fall asleep seems well, ridiculous. You said in your original post you eat some cooked meat, so I don't know what that says about your strange logic in sentence no2.. I'm sure you have your reasons for hunting down starch but considering some peat principles you might find some relief/ satiety from eating a variety of fruits and then some energy benefits over time from the sugars (provided you aren't too insulin resistant and you don't crank the sugars too hard in one hit).

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 12:14 PM

I cannot eat a variety of fruit - my stomach hurts. I have already tried everything. I fall asleep after eating cooked meat and fish too, but I try to eat them in the evening anyway. I know, it does not make much sense but this is the reality of my life - I have to deal with it.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on July 17, 2012
at 04:32 PM

^Depends on what the meal is. VB, it's very obvious to me that you have low stomach acid. Even more so after I just read you used a PPI.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 12:41 PM

My hormones are fine, but I am not sure how to check whether it is psychosomatic or not. I don't think it is, but I am not sure. I have never heard of anyone who would get sleepy after eating cooked food, especially cooked protein.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 17, 2012
at 01:36 PM

Also, who's to say that being sleepy/lazy after a meal isn't normal?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:39 AM

I do not do well with cooked foods. Maybe cooked food is more nutritious, but I fall asleep after eating cooked food. I can only eat what makes me feel better and cooked food is not what makes me feel better, it makes me feel exhausted.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 17, 2012
at 12:16 PM

I agree the moratorium and intolerance for cooked foods is odd. Don't know what to make of that. Sounds psychosomatic, or some serious hormonal issues…

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 12:20 PM

It began when I started taking PPIs for the second time. I got really bad pains after eating. Maybe PPIs screwed up my enzymes somehow. I think it is very odd myself and hope it will get better since I stopped taking PPIs (I felt better right away).I think it is a digestive issue and hope it is going to resolve itself since I no longer take PPIs.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:32 PM

I have tried to have lemon juice and thought I would die. That's a no-no for me. Bananas give me energy, so do cucumbers, carrots, etc. However, cucumbers do not fill me up, bananas do. Especially the combination of both - I get tired of eating just bananas.

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 19, 2012
at 12:47 PM

If your problem is digestive, then you should consider consuming a lot of fermented foods. They will help aid the digestion. Actually if you fermented the vegetables with their own bacteria, ie ferment them without cooking, then you will gain the ability to digest them. I agree you should avoid things that cause problems.

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 19, 2012
at 12:48 PM

Be careful with the fermentation though, you do not want to eat problematic bacteria or fungus. If the fermented food looks bad or smells bad, or you have a bad feeling throw it out.

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78964c5cc470f86a5897db8e1ce8e6f9

on July 17, 2012
at 05:25 AM

Some tubers can be eaten raw, but they're pretty nasty, imho.

If you're going with a raw diet, your main calorie sources are going to be (1) sweet fruit or (2) fat. I'd recommend the latter. Avocado, nuts, seeds, olives, and associated oils.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:37 AM

I can digest fish and meat, but avocado and olives do not agree with me. I can only eat what I can.

2
9e3bf43de29f66e5bb7be9c7d176b5e1

on July 17, 2012
at 05:19 AM

If you're eating 10 bananas a day, you're not eating paleo. Not by any definition I know of. Bananas are not considered a fruit that paleolithic man would have had access to, because they didn't exist. Also, eating 10 servings a day of ANY fruit is really not paleo by even the most liberal definition.

I stick with sweet potatoes and yams. Yams are arguably the very best that I know of, because they're a very slow carb and tasty.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on July 17, 2012
at 03:32 PM

Yeah, NOLA...didn't you know we feed on nuances and one upping each other here? Don't try to offer a simple answer or you'll be pounced on like an injured baby separated from the herd ;).

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:36 AM

First of all, bananas did exist and they still do exist in the wild. I went on a botanical tour and we actually had wild bananas. They are smaller and have more seeds, but they still exist in the wild. Yams and sweet potatoes need to be cooked. I cannot digest cooked food well.

9e3bf43de29f66e5bb7be9c7d176b5e1

(539)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:58 AM

Actually poultry and apples aren't really all that desirable on a true hunter gatherer diet either, anand srivastava. And VB, I'm talking about the type of bananas you find in the grocery store. True wild bananas are different, and in paleolithic times, you would not have find modern bananas that were as high in sugar. They did not exist.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Oh Gosh - I forgot that Paleo people have elevated levels of testosterone... Nola - thank you for your answer, but the bottom line is: I can only eat what my stomach can handle, and there are not a lot of foods it can handle right now so... bananas are in!

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on July 17, 2012
at 05:27 AM

Yeah we know that we had chickens in the paleolithic :-). Or that there were apples.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 06:09 AM

@Primal NOLA - Nothing that you buy in the store now, even organic, existed during Paleolithic times. Carrots did not have as much sugar, just as apples and even cranberries - a garden variety is different from a wild one. So if you want to be true Paleo you have to actually hunt wild game and gather wild roots and leaves. Everything else has been bred, cross-pollinated and selected for most sugar content. So it is not fair to apply those rules to bananas only.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 06:11 AM

@Primal NOLA - by the way, sweet potatoes are not exactly Paleo - check with Cordain's book. Bananas are more Paleo than sweet potatoes.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 17, 2012
at 12:09 PM

There are better reasons to criticize a 10 banana/day habit than it's not reenactment worthy.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 17, 2012
at 02:41 PM

Yep, lets make sure we don't use farmer's markets either since they weren't around then. For that matter, maybe we should just use foods found in subsahara Africa. Man, this paleo stuff is quite complicated.

9e3bf43de29f66e5bb7be9c7d176b5e1

(539)

on July 17, 2012
at 06:43 AM

I still need to read Cordain's books. I am really more primal than Paleo. Sisson seems to be ok with moderate quantities of squash, sweet potatoes, yams, etc., but 1) recommends limiting fruit and 2) doesn't include bananas on his "OK" list.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on July 17, 2012
at 07:47 AM

Yeah, because fruit doesn't exist in the wild right? And of why would paleolithic humans eat fruit, fruit tastes gross! lol @ this answer.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 06:56 AM

@Primal NOLA - here is the proof that bananas are Paleo: 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_acuminata 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_balbisiana

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5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

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on October 03, 2012
at 06:12 PM

The only foods i eat raw are fruits. I cook all my vegetables, animals and tubers. I hate raw food!

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8634d4988ced45a68e2a79e69cc01835

(1617)

on October 03, 2012
at 03:57 PM

You can eat turnips and peeled white potatoes raw. They aren't the best tasting things ever, but there you go. Also: (red) beets. Beets are very tasty raw.

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9426eec8c8385c90bdf843aa44bd5a4b

on July 17, 2012
at 05:20 PM

If it's a concern of filling you up, Kale is very filling though the taste takes some time to get used to.

Small sweet potatoes are delicious cut in half and steamed for 15-20 minutes.

The bananas makes it sound like you need a lot of easy carbohydrates to stay functioning.

I was doing something similar with Mountain Dew. I'd keep drinking it to avoid a crash. Anything else I ate made me sleepy. If I ate 'healthy' stuff (vegetables, cooked meats, and whole grains) I'd get sleepy or have no energy at first. It took about 2 months of eating just regular low carb before I didn't feel sleepy after meals, and didn't feel low energy from what I was eating.

Maybe the focus should be on blood sugar stability and weaning yourself off that much carbohydrates? It's just a thought.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 17, 2012
at 05:30 PM

Ashley, thank you for your comment - I am looking for RAW foods. I will try your suggestions to wean myself off bananas. Raw foods are fine and they do not slow me down. I made tons of experiments, and raw foods (even bananas) give me tons of energy whether cooked foods (even cooked kale) makes me sleepy. I believe I have a problem digesting so I am looking into RAW foods that fill me up.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 17, 2012
at 09:06 PM

@VB. I have to wonder if all your experiments were worth anything. It takes weeks to do proper elimination diets. If you're swapping variables willy-nilly then you're very likely to get a confused result. Not sure you're doing your gut any good with your current diet. It's likely just holding the status quo.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 17, 2012
at 07:17 PM

I cannot have oil, chili flakes and lemon juice - not sure why they bother my stomach, maybe because of my gastritis. However, I continue to eat cooked kale (raw is a bit bitter) and other cooked vegetables on occasions even though they make me feel a bit tired. Thanks for all the suggestions.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 18, 2012
at 05:18 AM

@Matt - you are probably right. For now I eat things that do not bother my stomach and it seems to be working. I used to have stomach pains after everything I ate. My stomach does not hurt now when I eat many things.

9426eec8c8385c90bdf843aa44bd5a4b

(200)

on July 17, 2012
at 06:12 PM

The Kale can be eaten raw. I oil it up and use red chili flakes and lemon juice. Sorta forgot about the Sweet potatoes needing to be cooked, sorry. However, they are supposed to be good for blood sugar stability as are bananas if eaten in suitable quantities. If you can get a to a point where you're not tired from eating cooked food, that's the next thing I'd go for.

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