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Do you actively focus on improving your Spiritual Health?

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Created November 01, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I'm not entirely sure why, but spiritual activities such as meditation, Bikram yoga, deep-breathing exercises, and maybe even ritual psychedelic use (Ayahuasca expeditions in the Amazon) are routinely utilized in the vegetarian nutri-noosphere. Unfortunately, I don't hear of too many traditional nutrition (Paleo & WAPF) followers adopting these beneficial Spiritual Activities. Is this because Paleo/WAPF people tend to focus on quantitative science, and there isn't much science done in these "spiritual" fields? Do YOU trance meditate and enter altered states of consciousness?

I'm tired of vegetarianism/veganism being associated with spirituality, because if traditional diets are so great and healthy, surely they would (and SHOULD) focus on the spiritual aspect of our physiology as well. I used to be one of those people who thought meditation was just some New Wave bullshit invented by hippies.

It's even been described by people on this site as:

"I don't buy into the hoodo-voodo-ghosty-ghouly-godly nonsense.

and

"I've done the opposite. Was highly spiritual when doing raw vegan and fruitarianism. Was very much into Pantheism and Buddhism... Now that I have been eating paleo, not so much. My views have changed. If I had to classify, I would say Humanism would best fit. I feel as tho there isn't much to this life other than what we see in the here and now."

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I can't help but think that those 2 people simply haven't tried the spiritual thing correctly. There IS a right and wrong way to meditate and if you do it the wrong way you'll get nothing out of it except "holy shit when is this over I can't handle just sitting here doing nothing, I want to get up and make bone broth." I personally believe that a viewpoint such as that is quite dangerous, not only for your physical and emotional well-being, but for how it projects back onto society when we reintegrate with the public at large.

I also used to think that meditation was just a method of relaxing. WRONG. Honestly, that couldn't be further from the truth. Relaxation is the LAST thing you should be getting from meditation - if you can properly separate your spiritual consciousness from your physical body, you can do some pretty interesting things with trance meditation that I'm surprised is even physiologically possible. When I first broke what I call the "threshold" during a meditation session, I thought I was having a heart attack or something. I won't go into too much detail, but suffice it to say that I had to stop because I was afraid I was about to rip a hole in the space-time continuum or something that would get me arrested.

Science-based Nutrition and Biochemistry won't ever catch up to this, but your Spiritual Health is just as important as your physical health. You know how physical exercise makes your body stronger and able to endure more? Spiritual activities such as meditation or ritualistic entheogen use (not everyone's cup of tea, but there is science in this area that shows it to be beneficial) are exercise for your emotions. I don't even remember the last time I've legitimately felt sadness or stress after improving my spiritual health.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 04, 2012
at 12:47 AM

Bone - You can't pretend to be "spiritual", Mr. Loving, Mr. Happy-go-lucky and then pick fights with strangers. Yeah, I'm pretty irritable and I have a pet peeve of people trying to espouse magical nonsense. So how exactly are you superior to me? Because honestly I don't see myself as some sort of peace-love-guru but honestly I see you as a lot worse in spite of your vaunted superiority. Seriously, feel free to PM me via e-mail or FB. I sort of suspect without the audience you'd be less confrontational and obnoxious.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 04, 2012
at 12:43 AM

Paleotype - We believe in things because we have a reason to, not because we lack a reason not to. I don't think it is being mean or nasty to say "It's a great idea, I wish it were true, I don't see any reason to believe it is though, can you give a reason?" If the answer is yes I'd be happy to believe it but I've never seen anything that would lead me to believe anything exists beyond the physical world. Certainly looking at Bone here, trying to start fights I don't see any evidence that believing in magic makes you a nicer person.

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on November 04, 2012
at 12:41 AM

Who said anything about intellect or research unless you mean n=1. It's a paleo fanfest

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 04, 2012
at 12:40 AM

Bone - It's interesting...is that what you see, or is that what you want to see? This seems a little like you are fishing for negative attention.

E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on November 04, 2012
at 12:36 AM

Just because you cant (yet) measure it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 03, 2012
at 11:40 PM

All I see is "VINDICTIVERAGEEEEE" when you post. You sure you meditate?

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 03, 2012
at 11:33 PM

I've come to the unfortunate conclusion that this website truly is hopeless. For a site dedicated to intellect and research-backed nutrition, the people here are incredibly ignorant.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 03, 2012
at 11:32 PM

You didn't have to tell me you still get irritable, LLIM. :P

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 03, 2012
at 03:15 AM

If it is what you already are then you don't need to return to anything. You need to just be. When you build lactate in a muscle you learn how to move it. Learning to concentrate (for instance, on the breath) is the same. You learn to focus so you can learn to stop. Meditation as isometric mental practice. Equilibrium. Just a different way of thinking about it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 03, 2012
at 03:04 AM

I've been meditating for 15+ years. I still get irritable, I still get disgusted with talk of the supernatural when we should be focusing on the mind. The difference is I know my flaws are flaws and I don't wave them around as if my flaws make me better than others. You edited my words and when called on it you can't even be man enough to fix your mistake. Either remove the edited quote or quote me in full, and use my name. Those are MY words, or a selective version of my words.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 03, 2012
at 03:00 AM

Firstly, quote mining is easy to google. I suggest you do it. You edited my comment and then personally attacked me for things I don't actually believe. I have no issue with meditation, I've been an active practitioner for 15+ years. Which has nothing to do with your idiotic use of the word spirit. I can't help if you are using the word wrong. I even quoted the definition for you. Meditation has nothing to do with "the spirit" and has everything to do with the mind. See, mindfulness.

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on November 02, 2012
at 06:31 AM

3) How can you say that the internet is a feminine force? You speak as if instilling knowledge and wisdom is just a feminine force, not masculine. And even if it were true, how is that information useful? ~~~ I don't need you to answer these questions, in fact I would prefer you didn't. Just know that you, like everyone else, think that your way is the right way. Your behavior right now is not unlike a born-again evangelical Christian, just with different terminology and beliefs. In the end, spirituality/philosophy is a personal journey, and should remain so.

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on November 02, 2012
at 06:30 AM

3) How can you say that the internet is a feminine force? You speak as if instilling knowledge and wisdom is just a feminine force, not masculine. And even if it were true, how is that information useful? ~~~ I don't need you to answer these questions, in fact I would prefer you didn't. Just know that you, like everyone else, think that their way is the right way. Your behavior right now is not unlike a born-again evangelical Christian, just with different terminology and beliefs. In the end, spirituality/philosophy is a personal journey, and should remain so.

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on November 02, 2012
at 06:26 AM

BBF, I have a number of qualms with what you're saying: 1) The "mind" or ego in and of itself is not a bad thing. A dysfunctional one is. We need our mind. 2) To be like we were when we were babies is only part of picture. Yes, to achieve that level of innocence is good, but if we just did that, we'd be ineffective, reactive, overly-emotional lazy consumers. We need our egos to function, and work together in this society. Don't be another ego-hater, someone who proclaims that enlightenment is the "Death" of the ego. If the ego could actually die, that would be a very bad thing.

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on November 02, 2012
at 06:20 AM

BoneBrothFast, with all due respect, you have a long way to go. Darwin wants you to distinguish between who now? Plus, you can have pride in your virtue without feeling superior to people, or at least without using that illusion of superiority to fuel preaching of some kind.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 02, 2012
at 05:59 AM

Also what do you mean by quote-mining? I simply looked up Spirituality on Paleohacks and saw the topic with your ignorant post.

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on November 02, 2012
at 05:55 AM

I forgive you. It was not my intent to upset you. And you know very well that the reason I didn't use your name is because you would throw a fit, sort of like you're doing now.

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on November 02, 2012
at 03:48 AM

bonebroth, if you could answer my question please! do you use binural beats or just use no sound! how do you meditate!

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:46 AM

And TV/technology isn't all bad. Just the mindless stuff. Technology can be an extremely positive force. Just the other day, I was reading some blog and someone mentioned how the Internet is actually a feminine forces because it instills knowledge and wisdom, if you use it properly. As far as "focusing" during meditation goes, I say focus on using your Ajna (you probably heard the term Third Eye, this is your Ajna. It's right between your eyebrows about 2 inches up. You know the red dot Hindus wear sometimes? That's your Ajna.) rather than quieting your inner chatter.

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:40 AM

^Your "mind" is kind of an inner antagonizing force that's working against you. Your true self/consciousness is what you ALREADY are. You're just trying to return to that original, pure state. It's what you were when you were a baby. Your goal should be to get back to that stage, except with more life experience obviously and thus more maturity.

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:38 AM

Actually reading a book on Taoism right now and it's remarkable how many of these ancient Eastern philosophies overlap in terms of beliefs and the message they invoke. The precursor religions to Judaism and some of the South American religions all have remarkably similar messages. It's definitely a progressive message.

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:36 AM

I have something similar. I assume you've heard of binaural beats. They really do work in getting you into the zone.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:35 AM

Absolutely. It's all interconnected. The way I see it, there are 3 types of health: Physical, Spiritual and Emotional/Mental. All 3 are intertwined. Basically what you do to one affects the other two. Since about 2005, there's been a fair amount of science coming out linking the state of our digestive tract to psychological issues. I know for a fact when I meditate, my poop comes out nicely formed.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:31 AM

^To answer your query, OF COURSE I DO feel spiritually superior to spiritually unenlightened people. As well I should. Having pride in one's virtue is nothing to be ashamed of. However, I love all of Mother Nature's creatures, regardless of their many flaws. Even you. I feel nothing but sympathy for you, I assure you. But I'm pretty sure there's "God," Mother Nature or if you prefer, Darwin, wants me to use my ability to distinguish between the unenlightened and the potentially hopeful. There's nothing written in the code of man that says we have to save EVERYONE. Some people are beyond help.

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:21 AM

I am not my mind? Who am I then?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 02, 2012
at 12:31 AM

Can I just add that if your "Spiritual Practice" exists to make you feel superior to those who don't share your view just how "spiritual" is it? Shouldn't Metta make you feel sympathy for people like me? Shouldn't you be willing, out of love, to share the evidence for this truth? I don't know you, but I don't think Avalokiteśvara is at risk of losing their job.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 02, 2012
at 12:07 AM

You trolled. You quote-mined someone and then rather than asking their opinion, or researching it you decided to speak for them and imply they were anti-meditation and living their life wrong. Support that with evidence. Oh, wait you can't. If you had looked at the conversations I've taken part in regarding this subject you'd see my posts on meditation. None of which says anything about anything "spirit" related.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 02, 2012
at 12:02 AM

Misquoted. Also, as far as " but I can't help but think that those 2 people simply haven't tried the spiritual thing correctly. " I've been a meditator for 15 years. However, altering your brainwaves with Anapanasati says nothing about the existence of a Spirit. It is mental practice, rooted in neurology and I've seen no indication that it is anything else. Perhaps you'd like to show me evidence to the contrary, I am more than open to it.

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:56 PM

bonebrothfast, can you please refer me to a website or anything like that shows me how to properly meditate? i have been trying to meditate for the past month but all i can get from it is "relaxation" and i really want to know how to properly do it!!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:52 PM

You blind-quoted, edited the text, changed the point and meaning and then ignored the several other messages ON THE SAME COMMENT, where I and another poster talked about the benefits of meditation. In short, you lied.

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:16 PM

Atheist too, but religion and spirituality are two different things that hardly ever overlap. Especially in the modern age.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:15 PM

You sound upset.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:11 PM

^I didn't want to stir up drama by quoting you, but looks like you want to start some. @Paleo Del "Do you actively focus on Spiritual Health?" is the question. There's another follow up question: "Do you meditate?"

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:30 PM

So, in essence the mind is irrelevant, it can wander off, do crazy stuff, you as in your consciousness just observes, and you don't do anything to the mind while meditating because it's not "you".

153c4e4a22734ded15bf4eb35b448e85

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:26 PM

It's not about bringing the mind back to focus, it's about understanding that you are not your mind, that you are consciousness, and that's when meditation happens, when you realize that you are not your mind, not your feelings etc.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:23 PM

Also, site your sources if you are going to quote...or quote mine.

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:09 PM

meditation revolves around the mind wandering off and the practice is all about gently bringing the mind back to focus on a stimulus, often the breath. we all have wandering monkey minds, and embracing that is part of meditation

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on November 01, 2012
at 08:33 PM

This seems to be more of an essay than a question. Just sayin'.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:19 PM

This is probably one of the most frustrating part of my life right now. Let's just say I've moved from more certain, to less certain. This does not, however, have anything to do with what I want, which is to know God. I have tried various things to little avail- I stick to the Christian tradtion, largely because I suspect Ayahuasca (and other things) is sound and fury that either signifies nothing, or signifies some questionable entities trying to get us humans to hold what we've got with disregard so that they can take it or buy it cheaply. The idea that we are just spirit, for example, seems to me an attempt to take what is unique about the human condition and trivialize it. We are whole- we can describe ourselves as spirit, body, mind, but we shouldn't forget for a second that these aspects of ourselves are integrated. I may not be happy with my current situation, but it is better than the deceptions that I had under the influence of SAD.

Which brings me to another issue. How do you figure out if your practice is actually helping you improve? I am more frustrated than I was, but perhaps I am less deceived. I suppose I could be deceived and happy. How, objectively, could one go about extricating oneself from questionable practices? Currently, I figure if there are strong scientific, evolutionary, and traditional (religious) reasons for it, it's probably okay. I am tempted to try that emwave thing, though it is really hard to drop $200+ on a little plastic box with a light on it.

But the heartwave stuff kinda dovetails with some of hesychastic observations on how to meditate, so who knows?

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:35 AM

Absolutely. It's all interconnected. The way I see it, there are 3 types of health: Physical, Spiritual and Emotional/Mental. All 3 are intertwined. Basically what you do to one affects the other two. Since about 2005, there's been a fair amount of science coming out linking the state of our digestive tract to psychological issues. I know for a fact when I meditate, my poop comes out nicely formed.

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194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 01, 2012
at 10:41 PM

Paleo gets me more in touch with the part of me that is animal. Of course, that part is inseparable from the rest of me. But we must become aware of our animal side if we are to develop our spiritual side. If you neglect the non-spirit part of you while trying to develop your spirituality, it's like building a tower with a faulty base.

Paleohacks has strengthened my connection with the more mundane aspects of reality, which has, in turn, provided a more solid foundation, and a more sensible direction, for my spiritual growth.

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76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:11 PM

I am an atheist but I like mindfulness, meditation, and contemplating my place in the world and my animal-ness. I tend to think a lot of religion/spirituality is due to placebo effect/expectation, which I also embrace: how much one's perceptions both color and shape one's world.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:16 PM

Atheist too, but religion and spirituality are two different things that hardly ever overlap. Especially in the modern age.

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on November 02, 2012
at 12:56 AM

I use a product called Holosync by Centerpointe Research Institute. It's basically a CD with relaxing, natural sounds and carrier tones in the background. When listened to with stero headphones the carrier tones put you into a state of meditation. There are several scientific studies which appear to support their claims.

I had recently retired from the military and the doctors at the VA suggested meditation to help with PTSD symptoms. I just couldn't get the hang of it. I stumbled on one of these CDs and gave it a try. I gotta say, it worked for me. I can now sit quietly for an hour or so with ease...

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:36 AM

I have something similar. I assume you've heard of binaural beats. They really do work in getting you into the zone.

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:31 PM

I practice and teach qi gong which has a spiritual side to it, particularly the more advanced you get. Developing my qi has been important to me and has profoundly changed the way I view my life. I would say that qi has led me to Paleo, but that would not be typical. Lots of people who practice the soft or internal Eastern arts are vegetarian or even vegan.

My spirituality may be influenced by Taoism but I'm not a Daoist. I practice meditation and I find it reduces my stress levels, improves my life choices and has profoundly affected the way I conduct myself. But in and of itself it's not directly related to eating paleo.

There's a lot of overlap between many spiritual modalities and ancestral or primal living in the sense that to regain or maintain health you need to focus on exercise, sleep, eating healthily, destressing and lots of those lead to a simpler less materialistic existence, but it's certainly possible to be paleo and not spiritual or spiritual and not paleo.

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:38 AM

Actually reading a book on Taoism right now and it's remarkable how many of these ancient Eastern philosophies overlap in terms of beliefs and the message they invoke. The precursor religions to Judaism and some of the South American religions all have remarkably similar messages. It's definitely a progressive message.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:22 PM

I stand by my hoodo-voodo comment. Though you might include the context instead of cherry-picking.

The word spiritual is defined as - "Of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things."

That is what the word means. Doing drugs effects your brain. Breathing effects your body and brain. Exercise effects your body and brain. None of these effect some immaterial, and I'd argue non-existent, bit of ecto-plasm that primitive man created because they either couldn't fathom, comprehend or cope-with the notion of death.

I've no issue with meditation, it is a big part of my life. I have no issue with mind-altering drugs or deep experience. I do have a problem with suggesting that diet and exercise have something do with magic and ghosts/spirits/an after-life.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:52 PM

You blind-quoted, edited the text, changed the point and meaning and then ignored the several other messages ON THE SAME COMMENT, where I and another poster talked about the benefits of meditation. In short, you lied.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 03, 2012
at 03:00 AM

Firstly, quote mining is easy to google. I suggest you do it. You edited my comment and then personally attacked me for things I don't actually believe. I have no issue with meditation, I've been an active practitioner for 15+ years. Which has nothing to do with your idiotic use of the word spirit. I can't help if you are using the word wrong. I even quoted the definition for you. Meditation has nothing to do with "the spirit" and has everything to do with the mind. See, mindfulness.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 02, 2012
at 12:07 AM

You trolled. You quote-mined someone and then rather than asking their opinion, or researching it you decided to speak for them and imply they were anti-meditation and living their life wrong. Support that with evidence. Oh, wait you can't. If you had looked at the conversations I've taken part in regarding this subject you'd see my posts on meditation. None of which says anything about anything "spirit" related.

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on November 02, 2012
at 05:55 AM

I forgive you. It was not my intent to upset you. And you know very well that the reason I didn't use your name is because you would throw a fit, sort of like you're doing now.

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on November 04, 2012
at 12:36 AM

Just because you cant (yet) measure it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:15 PM

You sound upset.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 02, 2012
at 05:59 AM

Also what do you mean by quote-mining? I simply looked up Spirituality on Paleohacks and saw the topic with your ignorant post.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on November 03, 2012
at 11:40 PM

All I see is "VINDICTIVERAGEEEEE" when you post. You sure you meditate?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 04, 2012
at 12:43 AM

Paleotype - We believe in things because we have a reason to, not because we lack a reason not to. I don't think it is being mean or nasty to say "It's a great idea, I wish it were true, I don't see any reason to believe it is though, can you give a reason?" If the answer is yes I'd be happy to believe it but I've never seen anything that would lead me to believe anything exists beyond the physical world. Certainly looking at Bone here, trying to start fights I don't see any evidence that believing in magic makes you a nicer person.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 04, 2012
at 12:40 AM

Bone - It's interesting...is that what you see, or is that what you want to see? This seems a little like you are fishing for negative attention.

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on November 01, 2012
at 08:52 PM

Spiritual health... I wish I knew how to meditate, but every time I start, my mind wonders off.

Watching Colbert Nation and laughing with my friends while making sex jokes pretty much takes care of my spiritual health. Oh, and I watch Korean dramas. When I see those hot Korean guys - it really helps my spiritual healing. Although I would not call it entirely spiritual.

At one time I was considering joining Korean Buddhist monastery, but then I was told that women cannot live with male monks and that put the end to my dream. Plus Buddhist cannot eat meat, which is unacceptable to me.

Oh, and I keep Darwin's portrait on my wall - I use it as a shrine and I pray to him when somebody expects something unrealistic from me.

Sorry if my spiritual health is not as healthy as yours... but it has been working for me so far.

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:09 PM

meditation revolves around the mind wandering off and the practice is all about gently bringing the mind back to focus on a stimulus, often the breath. we all have wandering monkey minds, and embracing that is part of meditation

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:21 AM

I am not my mind? Who am I then?

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 02, 2012
at 06:31 AM

3) How can you say that the internet is a feminine force? You speak as if instilling knowledge and wisdom is just a feminine force, not masculine. And even if it were true, how is that information useful? ~~~ I don't need you to answer these questions, in fact I would prefer you didn't. Just know that you, like everyone else, think that your way is the right way. Your behavior right now is not unlike a born-again evangelical Christian, just with different terminology and beliefs. In the end, spirituality/philosophy is a personal journey, and should remain so.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on November 02, 2012
at 06:30 AM

3) How can you say that the internet is a feminine force? You speak as if instilling knowledge and wisdom is just a feminine force, not masculine. And even if it were true, how is that information useful? ~~~ I don't need you to answer these questions, in fact I would prefer you didn't. Just know that you, like everyone else, think that their way is the right way. Your behavior right now is not unlike a born-again evangelical Christian, just with different terminology and beliefs. In the end, spirituality/philosophy is a personal journey, and should remain so.

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:26 PM

It's not about bringing the mind back to focus, it's about understanding that you are not your mind, that you are consciousness, and that's when meditation happens, when you realize that you are not your mind, not your feelings etc.

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on November 02, 2012
at 06:26 AM

BBF, I have a number of qualms with what you're saying: 1) The "mind" or ego in and of itself is not a bad thing. A dysfunctional one is. We need our mind. 2) To be like we were when we were babies is only part of picture. Yes, to achieve that level of innocence is good, but if we just did that, we'd be ineffective, reactive, overly-emotional lazy consumers. We need our egos to function, and work together in this society. Don't be another ego-hater, someone who proclaims that enlightenment is the "Death" of the ego. If the ego could actually die, that would be a very bad thing.

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on November 01, 2012
at 09:30 PM

So, in essence the mind is irrelevant, it can wander off, do crazy stuff, you as in your consciousness just observes, and you don't do anything to the mind while meditating because it's not "you".

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:46 AM

And TV/technology isn't all bad. Just the mindless stuff. Technology can be an extremely positive force. Just the other day, I was reading some blog and someone mentioned how the Internet is actually a feminine forces because it instills knowledge and wisdom, if you use it properly. As far as "focusing" during meditation goes, I say focus on using your Ajna (you probably heard the term Third Eye, this is your Ajna. It's right between your eyebrows about 2 inches up. You know the red dot Hindus wear sometimes? That's your Ajna.) rather than quieting your inner chatter.

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on November 02, 2012
at 02:40 AM

^Your "mind" is kind of an inner antagonizing force that's working against you. Your true self/consciousness is what you ALREADY are. You're just trying to return to that original, pure state. It's what you were when you were a baby. Your goal should be to get back to that stage, except with more life experience obviously and thus more maturity.

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on November 03, 2012
at 03:15 AM

If it is what you already are then you don't need to return to anything. You need to just be. When you build lactate in a muscle you learn how to move it. Learning to concentrate (for instance, on the breath) is the same. You learn to focus so you can learn to stop. Meditation as isometric mental practice. Equilibrium. Just a different way of thinking about it.

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