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Soy info from non-WAPF sources

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 02, 2010 at 5:32 PM

I'm looking for some information on soy from reputable sources. I enjoy reading the Weston Price Foundation's information, but in the mainstream media, they are frequently portrayed as

  • a "dangerous" and "fringe" group
  • that advocates for unpasteruized dairy <gasp> (obviously reckless and ignorant!)
  • that is based on the writings of some crazy dentist who didn't do any real research, and so lacks any credibility whatsoever.

Now all of this makes me sad, but I'll let that go for now. What I would like from y'all is some resources I can turn to for (relatively) unbiased information about soy. Peer-reviewed articles are especially welcome.

Mega bonus points if you can point me to human studies (not just mice studies) or if you can explain to me how likely it is that mice/rat studies would be applicable to humans!

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on April 11, 2011
at 08:58 PM

+1 for the spot-on description of Mercola.

4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on November 15, 2010
at 03:59 AM

I don't think most whole foods are the worst thing in the world. Sorry if the Paleo-heads on here freak out at the sound of that. Do I eat soybeans? No. Do I think eating a few organic edamame here or there is awful for the average person who may or may not follow Paleo? Not really... but I don't do it. I would eat organic edamame before I ate a piece of gluten-containing bread though. We all have priorities. That said, they don't even taste good- I used to eat edamame before sushi back in the day- without the salt, they're worthless to my palate ;o)

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on November 03, 2010
at 04:51 AM

You think organic soybean is not bad? But my understanding is unprocessed soy is toxic and rather unedible. The Chinese used to use it only to rehab the soil. It wasn't until fermentation was developed that they used it as a food crop.

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on November 03, 2010
at 03:06 AM

-- most commonly by claiming that "humans didn't eat much meat historically" or that "saturated fat is the worst kind of fat"....

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

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on November 03, 2010
at 02:39 AM

Thanks. I will look into it.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

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on November 03, 2010
at 02:39 AM

There is nothing wrong with being a vegan or vegetarian, but it is sometimes frustrating to work with them when they have health issues that might improve with certain dietary choices (eliminating wheat and soy, avoiding processed food, and yes, eating meat and fish). In these cases, the frustration is often not so much that they won't do it, but that they will try to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about.

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on November 02, 2010
at 10:52 PM

ha, i love your assessment of Mercola. He started on me on a better way of living though for sure. Due to the nature of his blog though (which you accurately portray) ive taken to calling him my spacedoctor.

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on November 02, 2010
at 08:49 PM

If it is in response, I'm still unclear on the close minded part. Diane was being pretty open minded, in my opinion.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 02, 2010
at 08:25 PM

The citations in that one are gold too "Occurrence of goiter in an infant on a soy diet."

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 02, 2010
at 08:23 PM

Here is another free full text http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1241182/

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on November 02, 2010
at 08:18 PM

Pretty sure this answer was in response to Diane.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

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on November 02, 2010
at 07:31 PM

I'm having trouble understanding you. Who is being narrow-minded? I'm looking for information, and I phrased that in the broadest way possible so as to include studies that show possible benefits of soy, and studies that show that soy is unfit for human consumption. Personally, I don't eat any type of soy, and I think most people on here don't, but I'm interested in finding evidence for **and against** things I think are likely to be true.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:10 PM

Also, I would think there would be studies of soy in humans precisely because soy is/was thought to be beneficial.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:09 PM

Yeah, I thought of Mercola. I haven't read much of his stuff, but the impression that I get is that the good info is mixed in with some wild ideas + questionable supplement hawking. I did find a couple articles from Stephan's blog but nothing definitive. Yes, I do know what you mean about vegetarians. Sigh.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 02, 2010
at 08:18 PM

Have you tried http://scholar.google.com ? If any papers interest you post them here and I can get you full text. There are TONS of studies on Soy.

IMHO WAPF is more reputable than Mercola. At least WAPF has some scientists working for them. Doctors aren't really scientists, though they are trained in it. All Mercold's articles read to me like "OMG I AM HERE TO EXAGGERATE ABOUT THIS THING! HERE ALSO BUY SOME SUPPLEMENTS AND ALGAE MICROBEAD [email protected]!"

For men, I think this free paper has quite enough info. The take home point is that soy provides biologically active plant estrogen that your body treats as estrogen in many ways, for better or worse. Given the glut of estrogen-mimicking chemicals in our environment, I think that's the last thing anyone (but particularly men) need.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 02, 2010
at 08:23 PM

Here is another free full text http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1241182/

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 02, 2010
at 08:25 PM

The citations in that one are gold too "Occurrence of goiter in an infant on a soy diet."

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on November 02, 2010
at 10:52 PM

ha, i love your assessment of Mercola. He started on me on a better way of living though for sure. Due to the nature of his blog though (which you accurately portray) ive taken to calling him my spacedoctor.

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on April 11, 2011
at 08:58 PM

+1 for the spot-on description of Mercola.

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4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on November 02, 2010
at 05:56 PM

You can look on mercola.com - and FYI on studies with this stuff... it's basically unethical to conduct studies that are possibly known to be harmful to humans on humans, hence why it's normally on mice. I think there's a prison study going on though- but it's WAPF related... google it though- "prison soy study" or something.

Other than lectin concerns that are typical of legumes, a whole, organic soybean isn't the devil necessarily, but when it's processed down to protein isolates or made into other products, then we're looking at problems. I always question why a person is using soy products before bothering to educate them on why they're not healthy. Typically it's soymilk in cereal... well, drop the cereal and you're all set. If it's a vegetarian replacing meat, I quietly step backwards and then turn and run ;o) Kidding, but you know what I mean.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on November 03, 2010
at 04:51 AM

You think organic soybean is not bad? But my understanding is unprocessed soy is toxic and rather unedible. The Chinese used to use it only to rehab the soil. It wasn't until fermentation was developed that they used it as a food crop.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

(6157)

on November 02, 2010
at 06:09 PM

Yeah, I thought of Mercola. I haven't read much of his stuff, but the impression that I get is that the good info is mixed in with some wild ideas + questionable supplement hawking. I did find a couple articles from Stephan's blog but nothing definitive. Yes, I do know what you mean about vegetarians. Sigh.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

(6157)

on November 02, 2010
at 06:10 PM

Also, I would think there would be studies of soy in humans precisely because soy is/was thought to be beneficial.

4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on November 15, 2010
at 03:59 AM

I don't think most whole foods are the worst thing in the world. Sorry if the Paleo-heads on here freak out at the sound of that. Do I eat soybeans? No. Do I think eating a few organic edamame here or there is awful for the average person who may or may not follow Paleo? Not really... but I don't do it. I would eat organic edamame before I ate a piece of gluten-containing bread though. We all have priorities. That said, they don't even taste good- I used to eat edamame before sushi back in the day- without the salt, they're worthless to my palate ;o)

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95601768ec9cb75cc3a9cbcd2271ed14

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on November 02, 2010
at 08:57 PM

Thanks for this question. I know Kaayla Daniel is WAPF-affiliated, but as far as I remember her "The Whole Soy Story" book cited a lot of cited studies in the endnotes that you might be able to find. (I wish she listed them on her website instead of shilling products.)

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

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on November 03, 2010
at 02:39 AM

Thanks. I will look into it.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 11, 2011
at 07:12 PM

Mercola and WAPF are quacks. Soy is healthy.

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:58 PM

Really? No, I don't know what you mean. I have been a vegan, a veggie and a paleo. I eat what my body needs. Let's not be so close minded here please.

95601768ec9cb75cc3a9cbcd2271ed14

(2206)

on November 02, 2010
at 08:49 PM

If it is in response, I'm still unclear on the close minded part. Diane was being pretty open minded, in my opinion.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

(6157)

on November 03, 2010
at 02:39 AM

There is nothing wrong with being a vegan or vegetarian, but it is sometimes frustrating to work with them when they have health issues that might improve with certain dietary choices (eliminating wheat and soy, avoiding processed food, and yes, eating meat and fish). In these cases, the frustration is often not so much that they won't do it, but that they will try to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

(6157)

on November 03, 2010
at 03:06 AM

-- most commonly by claiming that "humans didn't eat much meat historically" or that "saturated fat is the worst kind of fat"....

0d2dec01a5ed9363a9915e111ae13f7e

(4583)

on November 02, 2010
at 08:18 PM

Pretty sure this answer was in response to Diane.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

(6157)

on November 02, 2010
at 07:31 PM

I'm having trouble understanding you. Who is being narrow-minded? I'm looking for information, and I phrased that in the broadest way possible so as to include studies that show possible benefits of soy, and studies that show that soy is unfit for human consumption. Personally, I don't eat any type of soy, and I think most people on here don't, but I'm interested in finding evidence for **and against** things I think are likely to be true.

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