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Is there a Phosphatidyl-Serine that is not made of SOY LECITHIN?

Commented on August 03, 2013
Created August 01, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I would like to ask if any of you knows of any PS NOT MADE of, or from Soy (Soy Lecithin is still Soy) because I have a tendency to have high Estrogen levels and since I eliminated Soy milk and Soy Lecithin Spray non fat spray butter, my estrogen level is normal

I would like to try this PS but I cant eat Soy, is there an alternative, like I read Cabbage? Pls help Thanks

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regarding this bit "Phosphatidylserine Complex 500mg (providing 100mg Phosphatidylserine from Non-GMO Soybean)"...what they are trying to say is that each capsule only contains 100mg phosphatidylserine in a complex, the other 400mg of the complex is likely something like Phosphatidylcholine and Phosphatidylethanolamine. & it is all sourced from soy. full ingredients are "Gelatin (capsule), glycerin, non-GMO-soybean oil, water"

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Wouldn't touch brains nowadays, not even grass-fed stuff.

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Yes i have found some, thanks for the link, I apprecaite it, unofrtunately Sunflower oil is even more phytoestrogen than Soy, so it is evenn worse anyone would by any chance know if the Phosphatidylserine derived from Soy is an isolate and has lost all the phytoestrogens contained in the soy? Or does it still contain the same properties as soy? Thanks a lot

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on August 02, 2013
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_you_get_phosphatidylserine_from_food_sources http://www.askdrmao.com/natural-health-dictionary/phosphatidylserine-ps/

What foods are good sources of Phosphatidylserine? cow brains are a good source of it...and lamb's kidneys apparently.

Also, eel, mackerel, herring, tuna, chicken heart (yum! Grilled and fresh this is delicious), pig spleen and kidney. Not sure what has more or less than what, these are not in any particular order.

Also white beans? Of course I question how bioavailable this is, but something to consider.

I know in mexico they make brain tacos, and perhaps you could find some here if you search really hard...

I asked my farmer about getting brains, glands, etc. from his cows and he said that they shoot them in the head and considers it the most humane way of killing them, so no, they couldn't sell me glands, but I didn't ask around to my other farmers in my area... You kind of get funny looks for asking to eat those parts.

It's a shame because in other countries (Italy, France, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, England) that I've seen their cookbooks, or eaten there, or both- and perhaps this is old school cooks, but anyway from what I've seen they definitely elevate those parts and make some awesome things with them. England seems to enjoy calf's brains.

If you live near new york, perhaps you could try searching these places out:

http://www.seriouseats.com/talk/2007/07/fried-brain-sandwich.html http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2008/11/off-the-beaten-path-veal-brains-at-astoria-montenegro-grille-queens.html http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2012/10/m-wells-dinette-dufour-obraitis-ps1-moma-cafe-long-island-city-opening-review.html

Or Montana perhaps:

http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermail/ar-news/Week-of-Mon-20030714/003492.html

I suspect if I got to know a farmer, I'd get a chance to eat eggs and brain.

Matt raises a good point about eating brains, and all foods it should be noted- have risks inherent in consuming them. And many of these foods (like wheat, for example) may take a long time to show negative effects. To be honest, it would be interesting to consider the cases of sickness from consuming brains of a cow versus E. Coli/Ground beef recalls versus issues from sushi, or other body parts.

I think brain is something americans used to consume fairly regularly (I have two cookbooks from the 70's which calls for brain-and-eggs, much like the article in montana) and I would consider it very paleo/traditional way of eating, and finally it's something I'd like the experience of eating, at my own risk, but there are a lot of pathogens that we are exposed to via our food supply, especially if you take raw milk, rare meat, raw cheeses, or even forget to wash your vegetables grown with manure, even if they are local from the farmer's market.

Thanks for pointing that out matt, and understand that by no means I am minimizing the risk that eating brains poses. I am not sure if the risk from cows is greater than that from other animals. Just saying that if I were in France, spain, italy, mexico, or had a great source of lamb brains, pig brains, sheep brains in the US, etc that I would actually be willing to eat brains. Perhaps Andrew Zimmerman will die of mad cow disease in 50 years, the time it takes for the disease to show up- who knows!

Anyway, for your original question - Nature's way says 100 mg from soy, out of a 500 mg pill.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2II70O2ZFE3BE/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00020HQ00&channel=detail- glance&nodeID=3760901&store=hpc#wasThisHelpful

i.e the bottle says, "Phosphatidylserine Complex 500mg (providing 100mg Phosphatidylserine from Non-GMO Soybean)"

You can call them and see where the remaining 400 mg comes from - but I presume it is animal? only they can tell you.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on August 02, 2013
at 02:32 PM

Wouldn't touch brains nowadays, not even grass-fed stuff.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on August 03, 2013
at 02:54 AM

regarding this bit "Phosphatidylserine Complex 500mg (providing 100mg Phosphatidylserine from Non-GMO Soybean)"...what they are trying to say is that each capsule only contains 100mg phosphatidylserine in a complex, the other 400mg of the complex is likely something like Phosphatidylcholine and Phosphatidylethanolamine. & it is all sourced from soy. full ingredients are "Gelatin (capsule), glycerin, non-GMO-soybean oil, water"

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on August 01, 2013
at 11:48 PM

is Seriphos any good to you, as a potential alternative, it's labelled as Phosphorylated Serine (not Phosphatidyl Serine).

...according to the blurb, it's a proprietary blend of 'Phosphorylated Serine/Ethanolamine'.
& is dairy, soy, egg & gluten free.

google Seriphos if you've never heard of it

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on August 01, 2013
at 09:54 PM

Now Foods has some made from Sunflower lecithin.

Edit: Brenjin has the link for it.

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B256a08990009c752e41d3e998d24f8d

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on August 01, 2013
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Yes i have found some, thanks for the link, I apprecaite it, unofrtunately Sunflower oil is even more phytoestrogen than Soy, so it is evenn worse anyone would by any chance know if the Phosphatidylserine derived from Soy is an isolate and has lost all the phytoestrogens contained in the soy? Or does it still contain the same properties as soy? Thanks a lot

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