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I am so sore it's not even funny. Please fix me.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Okay, so- my whole body is sore. Ridiculously so. Especially my legs and joints.

Both of my jobs are physically demanding (decorative painting and Lowe's). I am climbing up and down ladders constantly, lifting 'heavy things', and am in pretty much constant motion (walking around helping customers and such). Because of all this, I have finally started to feel my body resisting. This past week it's reached a new level. My legs and joints won't stop. It's like a pulsing inflammation of sorts and I no longer get restful sleep it's bothering me so much.

I've stretched, taken hot showers, used some arnica... etc but to no avail. I won't really have day off until next week (presently work 7 days a week) so I don't have a 'rest' day which I would think would be a contributing factor but nonetheless:

Do you know of any natural pain relief for aches, muscle soreness, joint pain, etc? If so, please share! :)

EDIT: I'm poor, so please don't advise something expensive, if possible.

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

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on October 29, 2011
at 10:39 PM

Thanks for the tip. I actually regularly eat sauerkraut and kombucha.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:18 PM

BTW, all those stuff are inexpensive.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:16 PM

I understand. However, you could get away without prescription with little involvement, and there are probably ways to control for tests. If it works, its just a matter of what is more important to you I guess - that risk or well-being.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:13 PM

Nikken- a Japanese company. Call me crazy, but I swear it works.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:12 PM

Notice the doses. You will either have to use larger doses if supplement set is small or smaller doses with bigger set. Remember that you not do it for supplementation, but therapeutically - doses should be much higher.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:11 PM

Epsom salts ... people usually bath legs in it, as skin absorption is great. You should try to find some other form also, like citrate.

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on October 29, 2011
at 09:10 PM

All of that is fine but if I don't have a prescription and test positive for it in a random UA I'm out of a job. Like I said not a fan.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:10 PM

By reducing inflammation and stress from too much activity. Its used for exactly the same purpose with exercise: speed up recovery [from collagen and muscle breaks] and reduce system stress by providing antioxidant services and improving fat oxidation.

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

(3159)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:06 PM

Thanks for commenting Dragonfly. I do take the first three (the latter I'm going to use via epsom salt bath) but haven't tried the last one.... I'll look into it.

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

(3159)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:03 PM

o.O Magnetic mattress?

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

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on October 29, 2011
at 09:03 PM

Thanks for the tips Majkinetor. :) I do take fish oil and Mg, the latter occasionally. But I did pick up some epsom salts on my way home from work. Upping my vitamin C will be next. But how does this influence aches and pains? What's the mechanism?

0a0c8c37d3a56738dc017e4ff09f21ee

(480)

on October 29, 2011
at 07:06 PM

If you don't have muscle pain because of it, then there wouldn't be any that would be amplified. This is the reasoning behind it: http://www.4hourlife.com/alpha-lipoic-acid-the-a-in-pagg/

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 06:47 PM

That's unrealistic in this situation.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 06:47 PM

ALA is great supplement and it is used for peripheral neurophaty which means muscle pain among other things. Its sold as pharmaceutical and supplement, ofc, in first variant multiple times more expensive.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 06:46 PM

Zinc is indeed implicated in some pain scenarios. I didn't notice any improvement on my back pain after starting 50mg gluconate daily.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:21 PM

I don't know what are you implying but weed is not addictive and non toxic substance, it can even be used in pregnancy unlike almost all pharmaceuticals.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:20 PM

@Affine: smoke weed yes, before the sleep. If that doesn't work, eating weed in cookies could give much more pronounced effect for longer time (~ 6 hours)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Ifs its good for chronic pain, its good for acute pain. It also reduces stress tremendously, and improves sleep unbeatably. All those things are required by Allie.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:24 PM

It's not that bad of an idea, but I'd say more so for chronic pain problems, especially MS and other neuropathic pain. Soreness is more easily combated.

0a0c8c37d3a56738dc017e4ff09f21ee

(480)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Smoke weed? Sounds like a great idea.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:30 PM

I.E. probable PUFA munches.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on October 29, 2011
at 02:25 PM

+1 one for the great tag!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:54 PM

I.E. marijuana munches.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:53 PM

And this is the reason why I think reward hypothesis in obesity is real and it involves reward to sugar: Anandamide is also important in the regulation of feeding behavior, and the neural generation of motivation and pleasure. In addition, anandamide injected directly into the forebrain reward-related brain structure nucleus accumbens enhances the pleasurable responses of rats to a rewarding sucrose taste, and enhances food intake as well.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:52 PM

From wiki: Paracetamol (or acetaminophen in the U.S.A.) is metabolically combined with arachidonic acid by FAAH to form AM404.[18] This metabolite of paracetamol is a potent agonist at the TRPV1 vanilloid receptor, a weak agonist at both CB1 and CB2 receptors, and an inhibitor of anandamide reuptake. As a result, anandamide levels in the body and brain are elevated. In this fashion, paracetamol acts as a pro-drug for a cannabimimetic metabolite. This action may be partially or fully responsible for the analgesic effects of paracetamol.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:52 PM

Being fun or not of cannabis is irelevant. It does what it does - its antiinflamatory [thats why MS patients take it] and reduces pain similarly to paracetamol.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 29, 2011
at 11:45 AM

Oh and make sure you take in enough protein to repair the muscle you damage.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:51 PM

I used to do a physically demanding job too- I was a cleaning and restoration technician and carried an 84 lb. piece of equipment up and down stairs amongst other things like moving and blocking furniture. (Paleo before I knew what that meant!)

I found soaking in a tub full of warm/hot water with Epsom salts in helped as did sleeping on a magnetic mattress.

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

(3159)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:03 PM

o.O Magnetic mattress?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:13 PM

Nikken- a Japanese company. Call me crazy, but I swear it works.

1
34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 29, 2011
at 11:44 AM

I mostly agree with Majkinetor (not a fan of cannibis personally though)but add ice baths to reduce inflamation. That and improving your conditioning through your work should help.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:53 PM

And this is the reason why I think reward hypothesis in obesity is real and it involves reward to sugar: Anandamide is also important in the regulation of feeding behavior, and the neural generation of motivation and pleasure. In addition, anandamide injected directly into the forebrain reward-related brain structure nucleus accumbens enhances the pleasurable responses of rats to a rewarding sucrose taste, and enhances food intake as well.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 29, 2011
at 11:45 AM

Oh and make sure you take in enough protein to repair the muscle you damage.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on October 29, 2011
at 09:10 PM

All of that is fine but if I don't have a prescription and test positive for it in a random UA I'm out of a job. Like I said not a fan.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:54 PM

I.E. marijuana munches.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:30 PM

I.E. probable PUFA munches.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:16 PM

I understand. However, you could get away without prescription with little involvement, and there are probably ways to control for tests. If it works, its just a matter of what is more important to you I guess - that risk or well-being.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:52 PM

Being fun or not of cannabis is irelevant. It does what it does - its antiinflamatory [thats why MS patients take it] and reduces pain similarly to paracetamol.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:52 PM

From wiki: Paracetamol (or acetaminophen in the U.S.A.) is metabolically combined with arachidonic acid by FAAH to form AM404.[18] This metabolite of paracetamol is a potent agonist at the TRPV1 vanilloid receptor, a weak agonist at both CB1 and CB2 receptors, and an inhibitor of anandamide reuptake. As a result, anandamide levels in the body and brain are elevated. In this fashion, paracetamol acts as a pro-drug for a cannabimimetic metabolite. This action may be partially or fully responsible for the analgesic effects of paracetamol.

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 10:34 AM

  1. Fish oil, 2g DHA/EPA
  2. Magnesium, 6mg/kg.
  3. MSM, 2 - 6 g
  4. Vitamin C, 6-10 g
  5. Mentol cremes are good to help with pain, like Bangay
  6. Capsaicinoids
  7. Cannabis [best at night + you will sleep like baby]
  8. Cold shower rises endorphins which attenuate pain

  9. LDN [not natural]

You may also consider taking Q10 and Creatinine. I would do all above except LDN which you can take if above fails.

0a0c8c37d3a56738dc017e4ff09f21ee

(480)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Smoke weed? Sounds like a great idea.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:21 PM

I don't know what are you implying but weed is not addictive and non toxic substance, it can even be used in pregnancy unlike almost all pharmaceuticals.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:11 PM

Epsom salts ... people usually bath legs in it, as skin absorption is great. You should try to find some other form also, like citrate.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Ifs its good for chronic pain, its good for acute pain. It also reduces stress tremendously, and improves sleep unbeatably. All those things are required by Allie.

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

(3159)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:03 PM

Thanks for the tips Majkinetor. :) I do take fish oil and Mg, the latter occasionally. But I did pick up some epsom salts on my way home from work. Upping my vitamin C will be next. But how does this influence aches and pains? What's the mechanism?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:10 PM

By reducing inflammation and stress from too much activity. Its used for exactly the same purpose with exercise: speed up recovery [from collagen and muscle breaks] and reduce system stress by providing antioxidant services and improving fat oxidation.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 04:20 PM

@Affine: smoke weed yes, before the sleep. If that doesn't work, eating weed in cookies could give much more pronounced effect for longer time (~ 6 hours)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:24 PM

It's not that bad of an idea, but I'd say more so for chronic pain problems, especially MS and other neuropathic pain. Soreness is more easily combated.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:18 PM

BTW, all those stuff are inexpensive.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:12 PM

Notice the doses. You will either have to use larger doses if supplement set is small or smaller doses with bigger set. Remember that you not do it for supplementation, but therapeutically - doses should be much higher.

0
1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

on October 29, 2011
at 09:39 PM

Oddly, I've lately found that gut health is critical to managing aches and pains. Eating fermented foods like sauerkraut every day has helped with joint pain and recovery from exercise.

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

(3159)

on October 29, 2011
at 10:39 PM

Thanks for the tip. I actually regularly eat sauerkraut and kombucha.

0
Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on October 29, 2011
at 03:57 PM

REST YOUR BODY!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 06:47 PM

That's unrealistic in this situation.

0
0a0c8c37d3a56738dc017e4ff09f21ee

(480)

on October 29, 2011
at 03:21 PM

I have found that ALA have helped tremendously with me. The only times I get sore are if I exercise for several hours (on average I do for 1.5h, both cardio and weights.) Research PAGG and you'll see the ALA helps carbohydrates and free energy go to your muscles instead of fat. I personally think it is working. You can even find L-Carnitine pills with 200mg or so of ALA with it - great for a post-meal supplement. I don't even drink protein shakes and am always trying to both build muscle and lose fat (my focus between the two switch, but I maintain a well-rounded workout.)

Good luck.

0a0c8c37d3a56738dc017e4ff09f21ee

(480)

on October 29, 2011
at 07:06 PM

If you don't have muscle pain because of it, then there wouldn't be any that would be amplified. This is the reasoning behind it: http://www.4hourlife.com/alpha-lipoic-acid-the-a-in-pagg/

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 06:47 PM

ALA is great supplement and it is used for peripheral neurophaty which means muscle pain among other things. Its sold as pharmaceutical and supplement, ofc, in first variant multiple times more expensive.

0
Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on October 29, 2011
at 02:30 PM

I don't know that this will help short-term, but long-term it has appeared to improve my recovery:

Vitamin D to sufficiency (50-80 ng/ml, per the Vitamin D Council.)

Omega 3 100 mg (I use Krill oil)

Magnesium 300-600 mg of a chelate

Zinc Picolinate 50 mg to sufficiency (zinc taste in mouth--this could take some time)

The Zinc especially has seemed to speed up my muscle/skin healing time dramatically.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 29, 2011
at 06:46 PM

Zinc is indeed implicated in some pain scenarios. I didn't notice any improvement on my back pain after starting 50mg gluconate daily.

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

(3159)

on October 29, 2011
at 09:06 PM

Thanks for commenting Dragonfly. I do take the first three (the latter I'm going to use via epsom salt bath) but haven't tried the last one.... I'll look into it.

0
E751dbb140aecc9479b9248891edf584

(101)

on October 29, 2011
at 12:18 PM

What do you do for exercise? If you know that your job is going to be this demanding, you could train to a level of intensity just beyond it. Eventually you won't need to recover as much.

0
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(12857)

on October 29, 2011
at 11:26 AM

how much carbs do you eat? if you don't eat enough this will prevent you from recovering right.

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