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I don't understand why diet coke is not allowed on the diet plan.

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Created October 11, 2013 at 5:09 AM

I don't understand why diet coke is not allowed on the diet plan.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on October 24, 2013
at 07:33 AM

What I have observed with diet Coke is that because it doesn't contain sugar people drink it ad libitum in place of water, most people I know who are into it drink at least 1-2 liters/day (I was once one of them and drank 5-6 cans per day). If someone wants to have a small diet soda with a meal once a day, that is probably not an issue, but I have rarely seen it consumed modestly by those who partake.

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on October 24, 2013
at 07:28 AM

While diet soda may or may not lead to obesity I agree it is no good for your bones (I also agree the insulin response and stress response to sweet taste without sugar to back it up is problematic long term), short term my waistline expands a good 2-4 inches, and I just feel bloated for about a day after drinking a can of diet soda. I used to think it was the bubbles, but I think it must be related to the sweetener because that doesn't happen when I drink mineral water or normal soda.

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on October 12, 2013
at 04:47 PM

jmdogg70 Don't expect instantaneous results. I went from 220 to 190 (not a straight line down) and it took ~6 months. I made a lot of mistakes along the way. Trial & error, before I developed "a paleo for me". WRT to fat loss, I made huge progress with 4 Hour Body techniques...not strictly paleo but at times, I lost 2 to 3 pounds per week. The book is a bit daunting (~500 pages) but the fat loss related stuff is only ~100 pages. You didn't gain all this weight overnight & you need to be patient with the process. Try something, watch for results, make adjustment.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on October 12, 2013
at 04:30 PM

The OP is a total newbie...plus based on his physical state he's probably not "up on" even basic nutrition. It would be better that folks with more expericnece guide him rather than beat him up. Is it not better to educate than chase him away?

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on October 12, 2013
at 04:24 PM

Drink only water and get to bed by 9pm, every night. You need to get your body back into a healthy routine and sleep will help you loose weight FASTER.

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on October 12, 2013
at 02:12 PM

@Dave S.What part of the chemical shit storm do you find redeeming?

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on October 12, 2013
at 08:55 AM

there is no (one) diet plan

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on October 12, 2013
at 08:33 AM

Link to an abstract, might shed some light.... side references to additonal papers.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23850261 My feeling... diet soda chemical soup can't be good for you. But like with everything, the dose makes the poison. One can a day going to kill you? Probably not.... 1 six pack? 2 six packs?

BTW, had a colleague who always had a full leaded Coke in hand during the work day, I assume he continued this on weekends. Teeth were a mess & he died of brain cancer. Causation??? But surely not an endorsement for that practice. :(

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on October 12, 2013
at 08:29 AM

Here is a link to an abstract that might shed some light.... side references to additonal papers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23850261

My feeling... diet soda chemical soup can't bee good for you. But like with everything, the dose makes the poison. Is one can a day going to kill you? Probably not.... a six pack? two six packs? BTW, had a colleague who was seldom without a full leaded Coke during the day, his teeth were a mess & he died of brain cancer. Causation? who knows but sure not an endorsement for that practice. :(

680d8bf6dbbb956837a719f43da702f5

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on October 11, 2013
at 08:20 PM

Try cutting it out completely if you can. Regular or Diet...either or aren't good for you. I used to be heavy and drank a ton of pop every day. I cut it out and noticed I was losing weight right away.

Good luck!

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on October 11, 2013
at 07:50 PM

Keep at it! It's awesome that you've made the decision to get healthier!

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on October 11, 2013
at 07:24 PM

What I don't understand is why anyone would downvote this question. It appears to be an honest question from a newbie. The mainstream media equates Loren Cordain with paleo and he says diet sodas are fine. I understand the arguments against, but I do not understand the negativity toward the poster. I happen to think it is a very good question the answer to which, many people will want to know.

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on October 11, 2013
at 04:51 PM

If diet sodas are replacing regular sodas, I think that's probably a step in the positive direction for you. Paleo or not.

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on October 11, 2013
at 04:51 PM

At best, non-nutritive sweeteners do nothing for you; and at worst, they do nothing to you.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 11, 2013
at 04:48 PM

Sanity??? or sacrilege? haha.

C2fefd191418f9a7bd691077ab9b527a

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on October 11, 2013
at 04:41 PM

Good luck :)

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on October 11, 2013
at 04:26 PM

the most obvious offender would be aspartame or any other artifical sweetners

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on October 11, 2013
at 04:07 PM

Are you mixing up Paleo with Low Carb? Just because something has no sugar in it doesn't mean it is healthy. And just because something contains sugar (such as fruits) doesn't imply tht it is unhealthy. I think your basic understandings are mixed up.

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:56 PM

no, the paleo rules are pretty simple; eventually youll understand.

C2fefd191418f9a7bd691077ab9b527a

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:54 PM

I like this answer, I hadn't thought of it this way, and I suppose you are right with the scare mongering thing. Aspartame isn't good for you, but I guess that doesn't mean it's bad for you either...

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:27 PM

There is no "one true paleo". Do what works for you. If you can drink diet coke and still get the results you want, don't worry about it. It may have certain drawbacks that only you can evaluate for yourself. Try not to be crazy restrictive unless you need to be. (It can lead to psychological food issues.)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:23 PM

Thank you for bringing the sanity, Matt. As always.

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:17 PM

I voted you up based on the hunger thing. Obese people tend to drink diet soda, I doubt anyone has shown that diet soda causes obesity - unlike sugar sweetened beverages which have been demonstrated to do so in clinical studies. Association is not (necessarily) causation.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:09 PM

I was not aware of this paleo rule. Can we have fewer rules please?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:08 PM

What are you afraid of?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:07 PM

Can you back up the "many ingredients are detrimental" statement with any actual references or studies?

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3d58b5fb4f9780e2f47d4dcc53338a5a

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on October 11, 2013
at 12:31 PM

In addition to all the artificial sweetener and chemicals, there are other problems. One is the phosphoric acid, which can leech calcium from you body and bones. Another issue is how it affects your hormones, especially gherlin and leptin. When your body tastes the sweetness, it gets ready for the caloric payoff and nutrients it's expecting and starts pumping out and supressing certain hormones as it's programmed to do. The only problem is that it never gets the payoff, and it ramps up hunger and other hormones to try to get them. Most studies have shown that diet soda drinkers gain MORE weight than regular soda drinkers and have just as many diabetic issues.

It's not nice to fool mother nature!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:17 PM

I voted you up based on the hunger thing. Obese people tend to drink diet soda, I doubt anyone has shown that diet soda causes obesity - unlike sugar sweetened beverages which have been demonstrated to do so in clinical studies. Association is not (necessarily) causation.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on October 24, 2013
at 07:28 AM

While diet soda may or may not lead to obesity I agree it is no good for your bones (I also agree the insulin response and stress response to sweet taste without sugar to back it up is problematic long term), short term my waistline expands a good 2-4 inches, and I just feel bloated for about a day after drinking a can of diet soda. I used to think it was the bubbles, but I think it must be related to the sweetener because that doesn't happen when I drink mineral water or normal soda.

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9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on October 24, 2013
at 12:07 AM

Studies have shown that eating and drinking foods that taste sweet, even if they have no calories by virtue of artificial sweeteners, provoke the same insulin response as foods with actual sugars. You might notice that people that drink a lot of diet coke aren't any healthier or thinner than those that drink sugary drinks.

Also some artificial sweeteners have proven to be toxins. Google "aspartame neurotoxin" for some information.

I personally found that when I cut out grains and sugars but kept drinking Diet Coke, I did not notice much of a change, but when I dropped Diet Coke, a lot of changes happened. My metabolism increased and I lost weight, and my tastes changed so that after a while (not long, a few weeks), I didn't even want sweet foods any more. At this point about 18 months into the Paleo diet, I can't even drink coke, it tastes way too sweet and sticks to my teeth, and Diet Coke tastes like strange chemicals.

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on October 23, 2013
at 08:40 PM

The artificial sweeteners used in diet coke are much worse for you than actual sugar, which isn't exactly good for you itself.

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on October 14, 2013
at 12:44 PM

I don't understand the need of diet coke (or plain coke for what's matter).

I am not paleo nor following paleo. I just like to eat healthy and simple and there is a healthier and simpler alternative to diet/plain coke: water.

Whatever you reasons for being on a diet, consider if you really need coke.

: )

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C0237fd9e277fcef496d538beda1f35b

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on October 14, 2013
at 12:14 PM

I don't understand how anyone can say okay to drink it on "paleo". If you are following it then anything with artificial chemical sweeteners is a no no.

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on October 13, 2013
at 08:23 AM

jgcinhb. I have been able to follow and enjoy everything I eat, except my diet coke (the decaf one) I have each day. I have tried and tried...lol it's been pathetic and not worth it. I rather enjoy all of the other wonderful new recipes I have been trying. Makes sense to me. And...doesn't cause cravings in case you are wondering. I drink iced green tea, water.

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on October 12, 2013
at 04:54 PM

If you want to drink diet drinks, then drink them. No harm, no foul. No, it is not all natural at all and too much is probably bad for you. However, you will still lose weight on paleo if you drink diet sodas.@Tommy123

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on October 12, 2013
at 04:50 PM

We are adults here. If you want to drink diet soda, then for Pete's sake drink your fill. It will not hurt your paleo living. Don't you get sick of folks who make up their own rules and push them on everybody like they are an expert on health.@Tommy123

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on October 11, 2013
at 08:27 PM

Chemical/hormonal discussions aside I don't think that diet soda does you any culinary favors either. There are so many wonderful flavors out there but it seems as though 3/4 of the grocery store is focused on 'sweet' and its derivations. I've often thought that paleo provides a wonderful context in which to rediscover all of those other flavors that we seem to have shunned. Salty, savory, fatty, bitter, sour, etc.. Sweet is an awesome flavor, but it's not the only one.

Besides, if you want the flavor 'sweet' eat something that is actually sweet. No need to trick your tastebuds. Trying to fool your body rarely turns out in your favor.

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on October 11, 2013
at 04:18 PM

I appreciate all the feedback thank you. I am doing paleo for one reason only and that is to lose weight. I am a 350 pound guy trying to lose some lbs. Thanks again.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 11, 2013
at 04:51 PM

If diet sodas are replacing regular sodas, I think that's probably a step in the positive direction for you. Paleo or not.

680d8bf6dbbb956837a719f43da702f5

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on October 11, 2013
at 08:20 PM

Try cutting it out completely if you can. Regular or Diet...either or aren't good for you. I used to be heavy and drank a ton of pop every day. I cut it out and noticed I was losing weight right away.

Good luck!

C2fefd191418f9a7bd691077ab9b527a

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on October 11, 2013
at 04:41 PM

Good luck :)

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on October 12, 2013
at 04:24 PM

Drink only water and get to bed by 9pm, every night. You need to get your body back into a healthy routine and sleep will help you loose weight FASTER.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on October 12, 2013
at 04:47 PM

jmdogg70 Don't expect instantaneous results. I went from 220 to 190 (not a straight line down) and it took ~6 months. I made a lot of mistakes along the way. Trial & error, before I developed "a paleo for me". WRT to fat loss, I made huge progress with 4 Hour Body techniques...not strictly paleo but at times, I lost 2 to 3 pounds per week. The book is a bit daunting (~500 pages) but the fat loss related stuff is only ~100 pages. You didn't gain all this weight overnight & you need to be patient with the process. Try something, watch for results, make adjustment.

91453a003ff70606fc44ca2ea697048f

on October 11, 2013
at 07:50 PM

Keep at it! It's awesome that you've made the decision to get healthier!

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A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:21 PM

Actually, Paleo Jesus Cordain says diet sodas are fine. Considering how much PH'ers tend to disagree with Cordain, that might be reason enough to be suspicious of them.

They are associated with obesity. I've always suspected that it is because once you are fat, you stop drinking regular soda in an effort to lose weight. Dr. Harris suggests that they may make you hungry and he also states that you want to train yourself not to crave sweets, then avoiding sweet things is a good idea.

I'm frankly not down with the scare mongering over the ingredients in diet sodas. To those who say that phosphoric acid, aspartame, caramel color, etc are problematic, I say PROVE IT! I've looked at plenty of evidence and it is not conclusive. On the other hand, water is generally regarded as safe (GRAS) to drink.

I wouldn't worry so much about it, but if you can wean yourself off of them, so much the better.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on October 12, 2013
at 08:33 AM

Link to an abstract, might shed some light.... side references to additonal papers.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23850261 My feeling... diet soda chemical soup can't be good for you. But like with everything, the dose makes the poison. One can a day going to kill you? Probably not.... 1 six pack? 2 six packs?

BTW, had a colleague who always had a full leaded Coke in hand during the work day, I assume he continued this on weekends. Teeth were a mess & he died of brain cancer. Causation??? But surely not an endorsement for that practice. :(

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

(720)

on October 12, 2013
at 08:29 AM

Here is a link to an abstract that might shed some light.... side references to additonal papers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23850261

My feeling... diet soda chemical soup can't bee good for you. But like with everything, the dose makes the poison. Is one can a day going to kill you? Probably not.... a six pack? two six packs? BTW, had a colleague who was seldom without a full leaded Coke during the day, his teeth were a mess & he died of brain cancer. Causation? who knows but sure not an endorsement for that practice. :(

C2fefd191418f9a7bd691077ab9b527a

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:54 PM

I like this answer, I hadn't thought of it this way, and I suppose you are right with the scare mongering thing. Aspartame isn't good for you, but I guess that doesn't mean it's bad for you either...

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on October 24, 2013
at 07:33 AM

What I have observed with diet Coke is that because it doesn't contain sugar people drink it ad libitum in place of water, most people I know who are into it drink at least 1-2 liters/day (I was once one of them and drank 5-6 cans per day). If someone wants to have a small diet soda with a meal once a day, that is probably not an issue, but I have rarely seen it consumed modestly by those who partake.

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on October 11, 2013
at 02:05 PM

Is it paleo? No. Is it not paleo? No. Doesn't really help or hurt, so consume if you "need" to.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:23 PM

Thank you for bringing the sanity, Matt. As always.

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91453a003ff70606fc44ca2ea697048f

on October 11, 2013
at 12:30 PM

like everyone else said, it has to do with the processes and synthetic nature of it. A guideline that I try to follow is: if it has more than 5 ingredients give it up. If you're craving soda, try naturally flavored seltzer water.

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on October 11, 2013
at 11:38 AM

Paleo is about going back to natural, whole foods. Artificial sweeteners are neither.

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on October 11, 2013
at 11:24 AM

if something is advertised as diet/weight loss, then you shouldnt be consuming it.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:09 PM

I was not aware of this paleo rule. Can we have fewer rules please?

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C2fefd191418f9a7bd691077ab9b527a

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on October 11, 2013
at 08:45 AM

One word: Aspartame.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:08 PM

What are you afraid of?

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on October 11, 2013
at 06:54 AM

Because it has synthetic chemicals that do not promote health, and many ingredients have been found to even be detrimental to your health. The only redeeming quality of diet soda is what it isn't, and that is full of high fructose corn syrup, it has nothing in it that will aid you in weight loss. Paleo isn't just about the calories, it is about nourishment and finding homeostasis by only injesting things the body has evolved to recognize as food.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 11, 2013
at 03:07 PM

Can you back up the "many ingredients are detrimental" statement with any actual references or studies?

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