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Snus, what are the community's thoughts?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 21, 2011 at 12:53 PM

So, I might get some down votes for this one...

What do you think about snus, especially the Scandinavian ones and not the crap from the US?

Anyone here who likes taking a snus when you want to relax and get a little bit comfortable dizzy?

How do you compare snus to other things like alcohol, cigarettes, weed etc? There has been some interesting research about the negative effects of snus vs. cigarettes, where snus came out quite a bit less harmful than i.e. cigarettes.

I'm looking forward to hear your opinion. Please answer seriously, not just "snus is bad for you".

Thanks.

Edit: For those of you who do not know what snus is, check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus

04f2eae4450112cdedce7235923c646d

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on November 28, 2012
at 10:00 PM

When it comes to the addictiveness, I think it differs amongst different persons. I have friends who are addicted and have big problems quitting. Others, including myself, can use it every day for a month and then just quit without using any other tobacco without any major issues.

44348571d9bc70c02ac2975cc500f154

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on October 24, 2012
at 10:44 AM

Pure nicotine is much better choice, like a patch or gum, if you need to use some drugs. Water is good for you, you die without it but i have yet to die of not using any tobacco or drugs...

Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

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on October 22, 2012
at 07:37 PM

So does water. That doesn't prove anything. The studies done so far on the subject are completely inconclusive. If the European Union would have had any evidence of any increased risk of cancer due to snus, it would have been published.

99a6e964584f20f3f69ad3a70a335353

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on September 22, 2011
at 11:18 AM

I'm sure, but I'm not doing tobacco at all anymore.

04f2eae4450112cdedce7235923c646d

(1112)

on September 21, 2011
at 09:11 PM

Camel snus can not be compared to Scandinavian Snus.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

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on September 21, 2011
at 03:12 PM

I wouldn't call it "healthy", although I think someone posted about neuro-protective effect of nicotine...I could be wrong.

04f2eae4450112cdedce7235923c646d

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on September 21, 2011
at 01:25 PM

Joan, I like to have the occasional snus as well. Preferably after a long days hike in the mountains, especially after setting up base camp somewhere with a stunning view, but also when I'm out drinking to get the nice relaxed, kind of dizzy, feeling. About the Swedish physicians; I've heard the same.

04f2eae4450112cdedce7235923c646d

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on September 21, 2011
at 01:22 PM

It is called "Snus". It is tobacco to put under your lip. There are different types of snus, some strong and some weak. For more reading, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on September 21, 2011
at 01:19 PM

I just want to add here that I have NO idea what in the world a "snu" is, much less the difference between scandinavian vs. non-scandinavian snus. Care to elucidate?

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7b494127ac67e85e572c5222aaee9b4d

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on September 21, 2011
at 01:06 PM

I ocassionally enjoy a Snus (swedish ones). Usually when drinking and out dancing. It definitely is a 'wake me up' quite similar to other, more illicit, stimulants. Sometimes it's too much though and really, if I'm using tobacco, I prefer just to smoke a cigarette (much more "harmful" than snus).

It's not comparable to weed at all (upper vs. downer).

The research out there shows it is actually not very harmful at all. As far as I understand in Sweden physicians actually recommend it to smoking.

p.s. Prepare for the down votes. (I'm ready as well).

04f2eae4450112cdedce7235923c646d

(1112)

on September 21, 2011
at 01:25 PM

Joan, I like to have the occasional snus as well. Preferably after a long days hike in the mountains, especially after setting up base camp somewhere with a stunning view, but also when I'm out drinking to get the nice relaxed, kind of dizzy, feeling. About the Swedish physicians; I've heard the same.

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on September 21, 2011
at 02:48 PM

Nicotine is bad for you. Why go to the bother eating correctly and then mess it up with the other things you do? But, if you just want to do the Paleo litmus test, I think that all moderately-processed poisons are Paleo. I can't see why our ancestors wouldn't flock to altered states as much as we like to.

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44348571d9bc70c02ac2975cc500f154

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on September 21, 2011
at 02:26 PM

Its bad for you, i rather have coffee. Enough cancer cases in Finland to prove it. Its usually high in lead and cadnium too. If you like that stuff, then go ahead.

Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

(695)

on October 22, 2012
at 07:37 PM

So does water. That doesn't prove anything. The studies done so far on the subject are completely inconclusive. If the European Union would have had any evidence of any increased risk of cancer due to snus, it would have been published.

44348571d9bc70c02ac2975cc500f154

(5853)

on October 24, 2012
at 10:44 AM

Pure nicotine is much better choice, like a patch or gum, if you need to use some drugs. Water is good for you, you die without it but i have yet to die of not using any tobacco or drugs...

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99a6e964584f20f3f69ad3a70a335353

(1334)

on September 21, 2011
at 02:04 PM

Real Scandinavian snus that's steam-cured rather than fire-cured appears not to significantly increase the risk of cancer like smoking (lung) or chewing tobacco (oral).

So if you want tobacco, snus is probably better (or rather less bad) than other dip or smoking, but personally I would still avoid it. And remember that any tobacco product carries a very strong risk of addiction.

That said, back before I quit smoking, I had tried the Camel snus a couple times, though I never really liked it that much.

04f2eae4450112cdedce7235923c646d

(1112)

on September 21, 2011
at 09:11 PM

Camel snus can not be compared to Scandinavian Snus.

99a6e964584f20f3f69ad3a70a335353

(1334)

on September 22, 2011
at 11:18 AM

I'm sure, but I'm not doing tobacco at all anymore.

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Dd74e6399ae697d8603dc9aa74fbafae

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on October 22, 2012
at 07:52 PM

There aren't really much evidence presented so far. One study suggest that snus MAY be associated with an increased cancer risk in the pancreas. One theory suggest that some chemicals in the tobacco stimulate the secretion of pancreatic juice, digestive enzymes that breaks down nutrients, which may over time stimulate the growth of the pancreas and thus increasing the chance of mutation. There are also some scientists suggesting that it may contribute to an increase in oral cancer, though little evidence has been found, and there are less oral cancer in Scandinavian countries compared to the rest of the world http://tinyurl.com/92jgjf5 That does not say that it isn't true, but it's definitely less dangerous than cigarette when comparing oral cancer risk (or any form of cancer for that matter).

It does have some positive effects though. In some individuals (including myself) it is found to lower blood pressure a lot (which is the opposite of what nicotine usually does), I have no idea how this mechanism work), and you also get some benefits from nicotine, such as an increase in metabolism, neuroprotection and increased energy. The back side of this is the addictive nature of tobacco. Not only does it increase Acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin, it also works as a MAOI. I am not very knowledgeable in this field of study, but I would assume that heavy use could drain the brain of these chemicals. This is just something I have read, so do not take it as the true. Would love if someone with more competence in this field could explain.

However, it is damn addictive, and I can't recommend it to anyone. Quitting again this week after being nearly a year tobacco-free and then starting again last month. Stupid me.

04f2eae4450112cdedce7235923c646d

(1112)

on November 28, 2012
at 10:00 PM

When it comes to the addictiveness, I think it differs amongst different persons. I have friends who are addicted and have big problems quitting. Others, including myself, can use it every day for a month and then just quit without using any other tobacco without any major issues.

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B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on October 21, 2012
at 06:24 PM

I have a Norwegian colleague that told me that, for a dare, he and some Army colleagues once put some snus under their foreskins in a sauna. Ouch.

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on October 21, 2012
at 06:06 PM

If you're into non-cigarette tobacco products, I'd recommend shisha for occasional use. Shisha is the Middle Eastern term for what we know as a water pipe. The tobacco used in these pipes does not have the chemical additives of cigarettes and often comes in cool flavors like mint or jasmine. Fruit flavors are also popular. It's a great short-term social buzz. I picked up the habit while studying in Egypt a few years back and I enjoy a good smoking session once a month or so.

Plus, when you smoke shisha you don't have to spit in a cup! Give it a try.

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Bdc4873264ec9dbec27505e678dabce0

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on October 21, 2012
at 05:53 PM

On days when my digestion becomes particularly sluggish, I'll use an organic variety under my lip. I don't use it recreationally, only as an occasional remedy as needed (once or twice a week). It works very well, but I figure that over time, as my body recovers from years of abuse, it will lose its value to me altogether.

Robb wolf admitted that he considers nicotine gum to be beneficial for creative endeavors such as writing.

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on September 21, 2011
at 03:09 PM

I resumed my long-dormant smoking habit during an unfortunate stretch of post-divorce partying last year. I switched over to snus (mostly General Mint white) and wound up getting as much or more nicotine per day as when I smoked, but obviously without the bad effect on my cardio.

The fact that I didn't have to spit when dipping snus was actually a bad thing for me. With cigarettes, I'd have to take a break from work or whatever else I was doing and go outside to smoke, so I really wasn't smoking that much in a day when I started again. With snus, I could have a dip in literally all day, even while in court, etc., so I was pretty much chain-dipping all day long.

I didn't feel any significant ill health effects while I was dipping snus, other than a general psychological sense of my mouth being "unclean" and a tendency to sweat a little more. It just seemed self-evident to me that it wasn't healthy, so I quit cold turkey in December.

And promptly gained like 40 lbs which I'm still cutting off. :(

I would avoid them. For me, they were just as addictive as cigarettes and more insidious in that without restraint, one is basically on a nicotine drip for the entirety of the waking day. That said, of all the tobacco choices, they seem the least godawful.

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on September 21, 2011
at 01:52 PM

I've never used that product but I suspect when you take smoking it out of the equation that it probably is significantly less harmful to you. Or at least no worse than coffee as a stimulant but that is speculation on my part. I smoked for about 17 years and quit when my mom died of lung cancer. It was still hard to quit and I used a patch and the nicorette gum to do it. I chewed that gum for at least a year after quitting too. I'm not naturally a calm person and that gum really chilled me out. I would have kept chewing it but was afraid that the nicotine was still too harmful to justify it.

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