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There is no such thing as getting too much sleep...

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 27, 2012 at 2:16 PM

...if you're sleeping your body needs it. Who objects to this statement and why?

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on March 03, 2012
at 06:31 AM

Agree. And in a way that makes my point. Everybody is using the word "depression" as if every "I" who is describing the same thing. Severe bipolar clinical stuff is not the same as garden variety sadness. Very different phenomena, yet both so easily get called "depression."

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on March 03, 2012
at 05:03 AM

As a lifelong seasonal insomniac and a mom who's dealt with a non-sleeping toddler, I can't even imagine the idea of "too much sleep". I would always kill for more sleep than my body is willing to give me.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on February 27, 2012
at 10:40 PM

But everyone is saying, "when *I* am depressed," not when everyone is depressed.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on February 27, 2012
at 10:38 PM

When I'm very depressed, I want to sleep, but the more I sleep, the worse I feel. Ugh. It NEVER helps; it makes me spiral downward, and the sleep isn't quality sleep, either. Fragmented and too much REM. Otherwise I agree as much sleep as you need is awesome.

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on February 27, 2012
at 07:53 PM

More sleep has never helped me feel better when I have been depressed in the past. Gentle walking has helped get me out of depression enough to take other steps.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 27, 2012
at 07:52 PM

Exactly! If you are sleeping more than 10 hours every day, it's worth checking out what's really going on.

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on February 27, 2012
at 06:18 PM

Hmm, in high school I was kind of a mess and if I let myself, I would sometimes sleep until 3 PM. And then I'd feel terrible- fatigued and down for the entire day. I wonder if my body was making me sleep so much to try to makeup for my bad lifestyle, but it didn't work entirely?

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on February 27, 2012
at 04:40 PM

I totally agree. It gets on my goat when people say 'you only need 8 hours a dayyy'. 'I sleep 6 hours a night and I am not tired at all during day.' Suuureeeee.

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on February 27, 2012
at 04:38 PM

Yea I sleep a lot when I am depressed. Like I want to sleep all day everyday. Stupid depression. But I agree with the main topic, keep sleeping. I think everybody in the whole world should sleep until they wake up for a week so we can all feel better. :)

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on February 27, 2012
at 04:26 PM

I agree- in depression I get those full body aches that only seem to go away with plenty of rest (including warm baths etc for muscle relaxing). The last thing I would want to do in the middle of depression would be vigorous exercising- I can barely stand the feeling of sheets on top of my body. Gentle walking and resting has never seemed to hinder me leaving bouts of depression.

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on February 27, 2012
at 04:12 PM

Yeah, my thought is that laboratory sleep studies that extend sleep will probably not be very long in duration. Because most people are sleep deprived they would improve their health with a week or two of 10h sleep.

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on February 27, 2012
at 03:25 PM

I crave more sleep -- in bed earlier, waking later -- the worse my depression is. I can't say as it helps either way but I do feel that tired, suppressed tug in my body. As for fine-tuning one's diet, upping my carbs actually seems to make my depression worse.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on February 27, 2012
at 03:24 PM

I crave more sleep -- in bed earlier, up later -- the worse my depression is. I can't say as it helps either way but I do feel that tired, suppressed tug in my body. As for fine-tuning one's diet, upping my carbs actually seems to make my depression worse.

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on February 27, 2012
at 03:11 PM

25 minutes of aerobic exercise at least 3 times a week (why not daily?) for depression should be tried. Obviously there can be other factors.

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on February 27, 2012
at 03:02 PM

All of those studies are epidemiological, correct? I've read as much. Would love to learn of some experiments as well.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 27, 2012
at 02:52 PM

Richard N-?????

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on February 27, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Better to fine-tune your diet, do some EFT or counselling, get some exercise. More sleep won't help depression.

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on February 27, 2012
at 02:37 PM

If you're depressed your body needs more sleep though.

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on February 27, 2012
at 02:24 PM

Sad, I wasn't anticipating that kind of answer,

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on February 27, 2012
at 03:36 PM

Excessive sleep can be a symptom of other problems that may not be helped by extra sleep alone. Depression as noted above. In my mothers case it was pneumonia and a thyroid problem that were leading her to sleeping 18 hours a day.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on February 27, 2012
at 07:52 PM

Exactly! If you are sleeping more than 10 hours every day, it's worth checking out what's really going on.

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64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on February 27, 2012
at 02:42 PM

Many papers that show negative effects of short sleep durations (less than 6h) also find similar consequences with sleeps longer than 8h. In some cases (Yaggi 2006) the long sleepers were even more likely to develop T2D than the short sleepers. Of course there are many confounders, but I think we wind up with a U-curve for optimal sleep.

Ayas NT, White DP, Al-Delaimy WK, Manson JE, Stampfer MJ, Speizer FE, Patel S & Hu FB. 2003. A prospective study of self-reported sleep duration and incident diabetes in women. Diabetes Care 26(2):380-384.

Chaput JP, Despres JP, Bouchard C & Tremblay A. 2007. Association of sleep duration with type 2 diabetes and impaired glucose tolerance. Diabetologia 50(11):2298-2304.

Hall MH, Muldoon MF, Jennings JR, Buysse DJ, Flory JD & Manuck SB. 2008. Self-reported sleep duration is associated with the metabolic syndrome in midlife adults. Sleep 31(5):635-643.

Yaggi HK, Araujo AB & McKinlay JB. 2006. Sleep duration as a risk factor for the development of type 2 diabetes. Diabetes Care 29(3):657-661.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on February 27, 2012
at 04:12 PM

Yeah, my thought is that laboratory sleep studies that extend sleep will probably not be very long in duration. Because most people are sleep deprived they would improve their health with a week or two of 10h sleep.

65125edd5aafad39b3d5b3a8b4a36bb7

(6092)

on February 27, 2012
at 03:02 PM

All of those studies are epidemiological, correct? I've read as much. Would love to learn of some experiments as well.

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on February 27, 2012
at 07:29 PM

If I ever sleep more than 8 hours, I'm usually worried that there is something wrong with me.

The first thing that changed for me, once I introduced a proper Paleo diet and sensible (not excessive) exercise and play, was that my sleep requirements went down to about 7 hours or slightly less per night, and I didn't get tired in the afternoons. It took about 3 days for me to make this change, from a 12-hour-per night sleeper to half that.

This only changes if:
I drank alcohol
I am depressed
I am about to get, or in the early stages of a cold

Everyone is different, I know, and this was my personal experience. My hypothesis is that since my histamines aren't acting up and my apnea is completely under control, I'm getting much better quality sleep.

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on March 03, 2012
at 02:24 AM

I definitely think one can sleep too much. I can sleep for over 20 hours when I'm seemingly well. I feel like crap whenever I sleep 14 hours or more. I never feel like I need to sleep that long, it's always a choice. I tend to be very irritable and more prone to aches and pains when I sleep more than 12 hours at a time. It's extremely rare for me to wake up and not feel as though I could just roll over and sleep for a few more hours. I'd blame it on working shifts for all of my adult life, but I think I've been like this since puberty.

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on February 27, 2012
at 05:51 PM

Ah, this use of "depressed" as if it were a singular, monolithic clinical "thing." It isn't, so therefore, comments about how much sleep a "depressed" person "needs" are necessarily generalizations. Sometimes generalizations are useful, and sometimes accurate, but their applicability is more limited than we tend to assume (he said, offering his own generalization in the process)...

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on February 27, 2012
at 10:40 PM

But everyone is saying, "when *I* am depressed," not when everyone is depressed.

Medium avatar

(8239)

on March 03, 2012
at 06:31 AM

Agree. And in a way that makes my point. Everybody is using the word "depression" as if every "I" who is describing the same thing. Severe bipolar clinical stuff is not the same as garden variety sadness. Very different phenomena, yet both so easily get called "depression."

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on February 27, 2012
at 02:21 PM

I think that this is true--except if I am depressed.

3c997ffae3db9464325b96979346d9e9

(1290)

on February 27, 2012
at 02:24 PM

Sad, I wasn't anticipating that kind of answer,

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on February 27, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Better to fine-tune your diet, do some EFT or counselling, get some exercise. More sleep won't help depression.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on February 27, 2012
at 02:37 PM

If you're depressed your body needs more sleep though.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on February 27, 2012
at 02:52 PM

Richard N-?????

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on February 27, 2012
at 04:26 PM

I agree- in depression I get those full body aches that only seem to go away with plenty of rest (including warm baths etc for muscle relaxing). The last thing I would want to do in the middle of depression would be vigorous exercising- I can barely stand the feeling of sheets on top of my body. Gentle walking and resting has never seemed to hinder me leaving bouts of depression.

D1728f99db66ff91d695a6df5cd38b02

(1368)

on February 27, 2012
at 04:38 PM

Yea I sleep a lot when I am depressed. Like I want to sleep all day everyday. Stupid depression. But I agree with the main topic, keep sleeping. I think everybody in the whole world should sleep until they wake up for a week so we can all feel better. :)

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on February 27, 2012
at 03:24 PM

I crave more sleep -- in bed earlier, up later -- the worse my depression is. I can't say as it helps either way but I do feel that tired, suppressed tug in my body. As for fine-tuning one's diet, upping my carbs actually seems to make my depression worse.

3c997ffae3db9464325b96979346d9e9

(1290)

on February 27, 2012
at 03:11 PM

25 minutes of aerobic exercise at least 3 times a week (why not daily?) for depression should be tried. Obviously there can be other factors.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on February 27, 2012
at 07:53 PM

More sleep has never helped me feel better when I have been depressed in the past. Gentle walking has helped get me out of depression enough to take other steps.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on February 27, 2012
at 03:25 PM

I crave more sleep -- in bed earlier, waking later -- the worse my depression is. I can't say as it helps either way but I do feel that tired, suppressed tug in my body. As for fine-tuning one's diet, upping my carbs actually seems to make my depression worse.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on February 27, 2012
at 10:38 PM

When I'm very depressed, I want to sleep, but the more I sleep, the worse I feel. Ugh. It NEVER helps; it makes me spiral downward, and the sleep isn't quality sleep, either. Fragmented and too much REM. Otherwise I agree as much sleep as you need is awesome.

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B345b3262c7ca3c7945e84fe7c5d62ef

on March 03, 2012
at 05:54 AM

I have always been a 9 to 9.5 hour sleeper since teens. That's typically what I will sleep if I don't need to wake to an alarm. Love it, always feel great. I've been paleo for a year, and have been consistently doing crossfit during this time. There has been no change in my sleep pattern.

If I go to bed at 11pm I wake at 8am, if 10pm then 7am, if 12am then 9am.

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on February 28, 2012
at 12:18 AM

I can only speak from my own experience. But I feel a whole lot worse on 10hrs of sleep than I do on 5. 7hrs is generally optimal for me, unless I do something physically excessive. I definitely need a little more after an extreme workout or all day hike.

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