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Paleo Summit Hack-a-thon: Paul Chek, 3/2

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 02, 2012 at 2:57 AM

What: The Paleo Summit (see also this post)

Who: Paul Chek ??? Founder, C.H.E.K. Institute

Topic: Living Primal: Instinct Before Intellect. With so much research and history supporting Paleo principles, why do people have such a hard time living them? Paul explains how the social conditioning built into the educational system has suppressed our abilities to think for ourselves. He also details the six foundational principles of abundant health ??? nutrition, hydration, sleep, breathing, thinking, and movement..

What did you think of this presentation?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19463)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:01 PM

One doesn't just walk into Mor^H^H^Hketosis... :) Yeah, he did put the thing about education in a weird way, but if you replace the word slave with someone who has to work for a living, who isn't independently rich, it makes more sense. Yes, he didn't say it that way, but correction would fit in with history a lot better.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on March 03, 2012
at 04:32 AM

Talking trees are in Lord of the Rings. Perhaps he watched that before the presentation.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Just got to the first 10 minutes in....probably some of the best ten minutes of this whole series so far. Makes all the right points right there.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 02, 2012
at 10:25 PM

@Likes If you caught the poop talk I think that's the best section. Overall, I'd say the second half is much more worthwhile than the first half.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 02, 2012
at 10:07 PM

Does it get better? I made it 14:00 mimutes in before I had to stop.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on March 02, 2012
at 09:46 PM

I guess nobody I've ever lived with is that weird? I find that hard to believe. I also had almost no idea what the poop habits of my coworkers were when I worked a "real job" ... other than the fact that one poor woman had explosive IBS and spent literally an hour per day in our small ladies room -- hard to not know what was going on.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on March 02, 2012
at 09:38 PM

CarbSane - most primary care physicians will tell you that people are weirder about poop than you would ever believe. 1 poop every few days is not at all uncommon.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on March 02, 2012
at 05:33 PM

If the stuff at the beginning turns you off, fast forward to about 22:00 where it starts getting more practical.

Bdf98e5a57befa6f0877f978ba09871c

on March 02, 2012
at 03:53 PM

This is why I am so glad that paleo principles mean we should step outside the consumerist complex.

Bdf98e5a57befa6f0877f978ba09871c

on March 02, 2012
at 03:52 PM

His bit on education wasn't thorough, but he is right that education is linked to agriculture and industry. Learning and creativity in schools is still rare, and considered "edgy".

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on March 02, 2012
at 01:43 PM

I found the evolution of education from the plantations to be quite bizarre. They educated slave children so that the slaves wouldn't be bothered with parenting and they could work more in the fields and such? I was very tired when I listened to this but I'm pretty sure that's what he was saying.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19463)

on March 02, 2012
at 11:45 AM

I don't know if trees were my ancestors, or how to talk to trees, or if junk DNA is our instinctual programming, but beyond that, this session was pure win. Perhaps these were metaphorical, I don't know.

He had me at the social aspects, at how school was designed to keep kids busy while their parents would be exploited with work, and how our creativity is suppressed by schooling and corporate work, where obeying is far more important.

I totally agree with his "It's natural to have the urge to..." and how modern life has trained us to turn off of all of these, and that we're dangerously out of touch with our primal natural urges, drives, and instincts. "Rise with the sun and set with the sun."

We've discussed the artificial lights and their effects on us in many questions here at PH, but of course it doesn't hurt to have those pointed out again.

The coffee and green tea thing struck a chord of realization with me, as I tend to be a fiend with these two.

"In our primal environment, we had to live by the laws of and dictates of nature. For all creatures in the wild, there's a survival code and a need to live in accordance with that code, is the urge, simply to live or die if you're out of that code, you become food for some other creature." Pure gold.

Of course the environment our genome and epigenome was adapted to no longer exists, so it's difficult for us to return to that balance, and we should listen to our bodies, and simply as much as we can in our lives.

"Stress is trying to do too many things at once, be too many places at once, or be too many people at once."

I want to resist the urge to copy more quotes into this answer, or the slide points, but clearly, this, to me is a "must watch" session, it's pure gold!

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on March 03, 2012
at 04:32 AM

Talking trees are in Lord of the Rings. Perhaps he watched that before the presentation.

Bdf98e5a57befa6f0877f978ba09871c

on March 02, 2012
at 03:52 PM

His bit on education wasn't thorough, but he is right that education is linked to agriculture and industry. Learning and creativity in schools is still rare, and considered "edgy".

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on March 02, 2012
at 01:43 PM

I found the evolution of education from the plantations to be quite bizarre. They educated slave children so that the slaves wouldn't be bothered with parenting and they could work more in the fields and such? I was very tired when I listened to this but I'm pretty sure that's what he was saying.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19463)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:01 PM

One doesn't just walk into Mor^H^H^Hketosis... :) Yeah, he did put the thing about education in a weird way, but if you replace the word slave with someone who has to work for a living, who isn't independently rich, it makes more sense. Yes, he didn't say it that way, but correction would fit in with history a lot better.

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5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

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on March 02, 2012
at 03:33 PM

I enjoyed the discussion of the mechanisms of control that are used to make us go against our natural state of being. It's something I think a lot about, and enjoyed hearing about it.

We're not people anymore, we're consumers. It's very true, and very very sad.

Bdf98e5a57befa6f0877f978ba09871c

on March 02, 2012
at 03:53 PM

This is why I am so glad that paleo principles mean we should step outside the consumerist complex.

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C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on March 03, 2012
at 04:51 AM

So apparently fresh produce is needed if your constipated and less animal flesh. The poo is supposed to float. Where is getting all of this from? He really doesn't seem to be fond of beef.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 02, 2012
at 10:05 PM

I tried. When he said it was "hard biological fact" that human-beings were the tip of the evolutionary sword, the pinnacle of evolution I had to stop.

How can someone be Paleo and not understand what evolution is? Talk to Trees? Come on.

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Bdf98e5a57befa6f0877f978ba09871c

on March 02, 2012
at 09:32 PM

"We all instinctively know what food really is."

This brought to mind watching an infant who wants to feed and is given a bottle rather than a mother's breast. Our society, from the earliest stages, conditions what we think, how we move, even trying to claim who we are.

I think his presentation was pretty solid. People have already touched on the areas of disagreement, but I think that his mantra to "simplify everything" makes a lot of sense. In my view, we aren't meant to live in civilizations like we have today.

Notice the urges, notice the patterns, get up and move, listen to the body. Makes a lot of sense to me!

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 02, 2012
at 06:14 PM

I liked Paul's session. He was spot on about independent thinking and trial and error and fasting. I love trees--I like to say I commune with them--but haven't had much conversation with them. I always figured they were too stuck up to respond to a puny human.

I was intrigued by his emphasis on hydration. I'm not a very thirsty person but I do eat lots of low-density greens, etc., so I pass his skin-pinch test just fine although I frequently drink only about a liter per day even on my fasting days.

The kid in me giggled throughout his discussion of poop but again I thought his comments were spot on. Produce sure works for me and I've never been constipated in my life except after surgery when I'd been forced to "clean out" before the procedure.

A new insight for me was his talk about "the urge to move" which I admit I tend to suppress. His stern, "Get up!" is good advice I must say. His reminder to let your diaphragm so most of the work when breathing was also timely for me; I'm familiar with the basics but sometimes I forget.

His comments about movement were very realistic, particularly for mature adults--consistent, not painful, vary from day-to-day, etc.

His bottom line comment "Return to basics" says it all.

P.S. The school system totally failed to train my grandson to be a conforming, left-brain person. He's just a little too independent and rambunctious for my taste just now. :-))

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 02, 2012
at 10:07 PM

Does it get better? I made it 14:00 mimutes in before I had to stop.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 02, 2012
at 10:25 PM

@Likes If you caught the poop talk I think that's the best section. Overall, I'd say the second half is much more worthwhile than the first half.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Just got to the first 10 minutes in....probably some of the best ten minutes of this whole series so far. Makes all the right points right there.

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24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on March 02, 2012
at 01:40 PM

He kinda lost me on the talking to trees thing and I found it difficult to come back.

I've also lived in close contact with many many other humans during my lifetime and I've yet to meet one who routinely restricted their pooping so that they went only once every three days (Chek says this is common), or a whole week (he claims he works with several people for whom this is the norm). I doubt it is possible for someone to eat even remotely regularly and not poop for an entire month. Stuff like this loses me some more. The most restriction on pooping I can think of has very little to do with being stapped for time, and more to do with social embarrassment of pooping in public restrooms. I myself prefer to poop at home, but if I gotta go, I'm gonna go.

Sort of a shame because he had some good stuff to say about not reading books about how we should eat and move and just do what feels right for us. I also like his approach to self-experimentation. Too many n=1's are not even undertaken in a manner that will produce meaningful information to that "1".

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on March 02, 2012
at 09:46 PM

I guess nobody I've ever lived with is that weird? I find that hard to believe. I also had almost no idea what the poop habits of my coworkers were when I worked a "real job" ... other than the fact that one poor woman had explosive IBS and spent literally an hour per day in our small ladies room -- hard to not know what was going on.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on March 02, 2012
at 09:38 PM

CarbSane - most primary care physicians will tell you that people are weirder about poop than you would ever believe. 1 poop every few days is not at all uncommon.

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 03, 2012
at 07:32 AM

Stick it through and there are some good points. I liked it though I understand why some did not hang around for the entire talk.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:58 AM

Great talk. I've basically never heard of the guy, but have already reached many of the same conclusions he has come to, albeit maybe not in the exact same terms.

Much of it boils down to simplicity. This paleo/primal thing really isn't that hard.

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