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Is staying up all night paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 15, 2011 at 4:41 AM

I know that pulling all nighters is bad, but it is something that I have to do every once in a while. So, given that it's a necessity, how can I minimize the damage? Here are some initial ideas:

  1. BCAAs to protect lean body mass.

  2. Omega 3 to maintain cognitive function.

  3. Minimal food to enjoy potential fasting benefits.

  4. Zero carbs to enjoy ketosis benefits.

I'm not looking for explanations of why sleep is important; I already know that. Rather, I want ideas, speculative or informed, and related info and opinions on what I should and should not do in the context of unavoidable all nighters.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on May 30, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Just some time to myself... I need to cut back so that I can get more sleep....

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

(720)

on May 30, 2011
at 10:21 AM

May we ask in what context your all-nighters are for?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 30, 2011
at 03:55 AM

Some other PaleoHacker posted this article about sleep and HGs in some other thread, and it gave me a lot to think about. And indeed tribes and villages do seem to have night sentries: http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc99/9_25_99/bob2.htm

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on May 30, 2011
at 03:50 AM

My advice would be to still get 3-5 hours of sleep at night. Work during the day. Unless you work the midnight shift, you can avoid working at night by doing extra work during the day.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

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on May 15, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Dr K - If part of the Hippocratic oath is to do no harm, then may I insist that you attempt here to minimize harm? I'm an all-nighter type of guy, and though I've minimized this habit, I know that its going to happen every once in a while. That said, how can I make this terrible habit of mine less deadly, less harmful, etc?

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

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on May 15, 2011
at 02:46 PM

I agree; but what can be done to make it less deadly?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 15, 2011
at 02:01 PM

When I was training for the military you could only sleep for 4 hours per night for 3 months. You became a zombie but what enables you to overcome is movement.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

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on May 15, 2011
at 07:48 AM

I think that's a good idea for an all nighter hack worth experimenting with -- you should post it as a proper answer!

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

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on May 15, 2011
at 06:13 AM

With no scientific knowledge about sleep, with the goal of minimal exhaustion- I wonder if perhaps that chucking in one or two power naps (20minutes) throughout the night may 'reduce the damage'. I imagine this might be beneficial if your all night schedule can afford it.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

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on May 15, 2011
at 05:57 AM

Yeah, that makes sense, but I wonder if there are things we can do to minimize the damage done - but maybe your point suggests that the experience might have it's own benefits and thus shouldn't be tinkered with. It'll be interesting to see what others think...

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3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

on May 30, 2011
at 03:47 AM

I used to work the graveyard shift. It messes up your metabolism. I can't remember a single coworker who was not overweight. I suspect many were diabetics. I'm suspicious that I may have developed insuin resistance during the period I worked from midnight to eight.

Another problem is it messes up your circadian rhythm and sleeping. I can remember, no matter how much sleep you had, you still become sleepy at 4 am, when you have to fight off falling asleep. That probaly is chipping away at your longevity.

Also, you can feel the fluid from your body being depleted. All my coworkers felt that way: the disappearnce of fluid from their intestines and stomach in the morning hours. I don't know how much damage that was doing to my body, but it may have been considerable. I'm now a T2 diabetic with multiple autoimmune issues.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on May 15, 2011
at 02:42 PM

No.....infact it's deadly.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on May 15, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Dr K - If part of the Hippocratic oath is to do no harm, then may I insist that you attempt here to minimize harm? I'm an all-nighter type of guy, and though I've minimized this habit, I know that its going to happen every once in a while. That said, how can I make this terrible habit of mine less deadly, less harmful, etc?

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on May 15, 2011
at 02:46 PM

I agree; but what can be done to make it less deadly?

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on May 30, 2011
at 03:50 AM

My advice would be to still get 3-5 hours of sleep at night. Work during the day. Unless you work the midnight shift, you can avoid working at night by doing extra work during the day.

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7792d8e2ada34662a3226a7d1952940a

on May 15, 2011
at 12:57 PM

I work an overnight shift in the jail ever 56 days for a 56 day cycle. The best I have found for minimal damage to my physical and mental well being is to stay on track with your diet, but do it at night. I get home at 7am and sleep as much as possible. If I can't sleep, I am sure not to eat until my normal 4pm breakfast. I used to gain weight every time I worked this shift, but this has stopped all of that. This also gives me a chance to do my workouts in a fasted state, and I have read that this can be good thing too.

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1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

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on May 15, 2011
at 05:41 AM

A tribe or village could have had a night sentry, right? It makes sense to me that it's okay once in a while if you catch yourself up.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on May 15, 2011
at 07:48 AM

I think that's a good idea for an all nighter hack worth experimenting with -- you should post it as a proper answer!

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

(720)

on May 15, 2011
at 06:13 AM

With no scientific knowledge about sleep, with the goal of minimal exhaustion- I wonder if perhaps that chucking in one or two power naps (20minutes) throughout the night may 'reduce the damage'. I imagine this might be beneficial if your all night schedule can afford it.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on May 15, 2011
at 05:57 AM

Yeah, that makes sense, but I wonder if there are things we can do to minimize the damage done - but maybe your point suggests that the experience might have it's own benefits and thus shouldn't be tinkered with. It'll be interesting to see what others think...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 15, 2011
at 02:01 PM

When I was training for the military you could only sleep for 4 hours per night for 3 months. You became a zombie but what enables you to overcome is movement.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 30, 2011
at 03:55 AM

Some other PaleoHacker posted this article about sleep and HGs in some other thread, and it gave me a lot to think about. And indeed tribes and villages do seem to have night sentries: http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc99/9_25_99/bob2.htm

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on May 30, 2011
at 09:22 AM

Well it is 2AM here...

Guess I am up late again on Paleo hacks :-)

However my goal is 7 hours of sleep (Last year I averaged 4)

I am at about 6.5...

I am going to up my goal to 7.5 and see if that helps. and go to bed earlier if I can...

7 hours is recomended for weight loss or (lack of weight gain)

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on May 30, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Just some time to myself... I need to cut back so that I can get more sleep....

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

(720)

on May 30, 2011
at 10:21 AM

May we ask in what context your all-nighters are for?

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