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Is it possible to sleep too much?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 25, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Can you sleep too much? where you feel groggy during the day after getting plenty of hours of sleep.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 03:45 AM

also got a shout out from Robb Wolf on episode 81 in the last 4 minutes of the podcast about chronic pain. Sleep and pain regulation are very tied together.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 02:55 AM

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Sleep/perils-sleep/story?id=12161274

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 02:52 AM

no one is prescribing more sleep......if you sleep longer it means your not healthy. If you dont sleep enough your not healthy. We dont need RCT to tell us what this means......we understand the biology behind it. The key point is if you sleep too little or too long guess what.......you need to adapt to a healthier lifestyle.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 02:50 AM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20469802

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 02:47 AM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2864873/

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 26, 2011
at 02:46 AM

Aight. Thanks for the heads up on the heads down.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 01:52 AM

Not true......if your sleeping a lot tells you you likely have a broken metabolism your body is trying to repair withnautophagy up regulation. That is not a good thing.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 26, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Yeah I agree with Ambimorph. The data mightn't be bullshit, but your application is. That data is just correlative, so it doesn't say anything about changing your habits in response to the data. If there's an underlying problem making sicker people sleep longer, those sicker people certainly aren't gonna help themselves by forcing themselves to wake up sooner. So while the data is perhaps interesting, it certainly doesn't warrant PRESCRIBING less sleep. Also, since those are just averages, anybody could be even slightly outside that average and have something like 9 hours be optimal.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Ben......your going to love where I go then......trust me.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Ambi that does not matter to those looking to longevity.......a potassium of 3.1 is correlative too to bad outcomes".........but we treat it. We don't need a RCT to treat physiological knowns.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 26, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Yeah I agree with Ambimorph. The data mightn't be bullshit, but your application is. That data is just correlative, so it doesn't say anything about changing your habits in response to the data. If there's an underlying problem making sicker people sleep longer, one of those sicker people certainly aren't gonna help themselves by forcing the issue and waking up sooner. So while the data is perhaps interesting, it certainly doesn't warrant PRESCRIBING less sleep. Also, since those are just averages, anybody could be even slightly outside that average and have something like 9 hours be optimal.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 01:48 AM

It's actually above nine hours stabby or below 5.5 hours from the meta anaylsis done on sleep

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:52 PM

I'll add that when I VLC and lifting heavy I routinely got 9-10 hours of sleep. Felt good but always got that much. Nonalarm. Now with about 200 gramsstarch daily I feel even better and still with no alarm I rise after 8 hours on the nose

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:47 PM

Holy god, "biologic quantum entanglement". That is gold. I concur, Dr. Who!

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:36 PM

Those data are correlative, not causal. Another potential problem with these numbers is that they are an average. It's certainly plausible that a given individual is healthiest getting 6 or 9 hours of sleep.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:09 PM

Sleeping more than 8 hours a night is associated with a higher mortality rate. Whether or not it is because of the sleeping or the sleeping is a symptom of the problem is the question, which I don't know the answer to.

The goal is to get to the point where one is sleeping for about 7-8 hours a night and feels awake during the day. However if one requires 10 hours to feel good whereas 8 doesn't cut it, certainly don't make an effort to wake up earlier than what feel right. Under ideal conditions the internal clock regulates sleep duration and so we should be striving for ideal conditions through everything else we do.

Some people find that melatonin helps them get back into a good rhythm.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 26, 2011
at 02:46 AM

Aight. Thanks for the heads up on the heads down.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 01:48 AM

It's actually above nine hours stabby or below 5.5 hours from the meta anaylsis done on sleep

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3c997ffae3db9464325b96979346d9e9

on May 26, 2011
at 01:33 AM

I have read you can't get too much sleep...if you're sleeping the body can use it or you wouldn't be.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 01:52 AM

Not true......if your sleeping a lot tells you you likely have a broken metabolism your body is trying to repair withnautophagy up regulation. That is not a good thing.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:50 PM

I think more than eight is really only beneficial when you are in recovery mode - be it from illness OR from progressively heavier poundages with weights, endurance sports, etc. For 99% of life I think 8 hours is fine. Prolly even 7. The problem lies in chronically, regularly sleeping only 5 or 6. Then I think you start to see lots of low-grade issues like little colds, flu, susceptibility to things that would otherwise be a non-starter. A general weakening of the immune system I suppose

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:52 PM

I'll add that when I VLC and lifting heavy I routinely got 9-10 hours of sleep. Felt good but always got that much. Nonalarm. Now with about 200 gramsstarch daily I feel even better and still with no alarm I rise after 8 hours on the nose

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on May 25, 2011
at 10:41 PM

Yep. I feel like hell if I get more than 8 hours.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:09 PM

yes it is. Infact there is now data that sleeping too much can shorten your life. It appears 7.5-8.5 hours is ideal for a human longevity. But most people dont have that problem......they have the opposite effect. It appears the more disabled the cellular environment is the more disordered our sleep is. Its almost like a biologic quantum entanglement......actually that is precisely what it is.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 02:50 AM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20469802

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:47 PM

Holy god, "biologic quantum entanglement". That is gold. I concur, Dr. Who!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Ben......your going to love where I go then......trust me.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 02:55 AM

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Sleep/perils-sleep/story?id=12161274

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 26, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Yeah I agree with Ambimorph. The data mightn't be bullshit, but your application is. That data is just correlative, so it doesn't say anything about changing your habits in response to the data. If there's an underlying problem making sicker people sleep longer, those sicker people certainly aren't gonna help themselves by forcing themselves to wake up sooner. So while the data is perhaps interesting, it certainly doesn't warrant PRESCRIBING less sleep. Also, since those are just averages, anybody could be even slightly outside that average and have something like 9 hours be optimal.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 26, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Yeah I agree with Ambimorph. The data mightn't be bullshit, but your application is. That data is just correlative, so it doesn't say anything about changing your habits in response to the data. If there's an underlying problem making sicker people sleep longer, one of those sicker people certainly aren't gonna help themselves by forcing the issue and waking up sooner. So while the data is perhaps interesting, it certainly doesn't warrant PRESCRIBING less sleep. Also, since those are just averages, anybody could be even slightly outside that average and have something like 9 hours be optimal.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:36 PM

Those data are correlative, not causal. Another potential problem with these numbers is that they are an average. It's certainly plausible that a given individual is healthiest getting 6 or 9 hours of sleep.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 02:47 AM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2864873/

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Ambi that does not matter to those looking to longevity.......a potassium of 3.1 is correlative too to bad outcomes".........but we treat it. We don't need a RCT to treat physiological knowns.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 02:52 AM

no one is prescribing more sleep......if you sleep longer it means your not healthy. If you dont sleep enough your not healthy. We dont need RCT to tell us what this means......we understand the biology behind it. The key point is if you sleep too little or too long guess what.......you need to adapt to a healthier lifestyle.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 26, 2011
at 03:45 AM

also got a shout out from Robb Wolf on episode 81 in the last 4 minutes of the podcast about chronic pain. Sleep and pain regulation are very tied together.

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