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Dairy/Fermented Dairy, Exhaustion, and Waking Up with Dry Throat

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Created August 02, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Anyone else noticed dairy affecting their energy levels over time? I recently reintroduced homemade Kefir into my diet after a few months of not consuming it; for about a week, I was tired, achy, and generally sick-ish, which sounded similar to the symptoms of die-off that people sometimes experience when starting on probiotics (I don't remember dealing with die-off when I was drinking Kefir earlier in the year). However, around the same time, I started adding heavy cream into my diet on a regular/semi-regular basis as well (both dairy products are conventional/non-organic, but come from a local farm). In line with both of these, I've been noticing that I can sleep for 9-10 hours (11pm-7am or 10pm-7am) and still wake up tired, as well as needing a LOT of water throughout the night and waking up with a dry mouth. I'm guessing they are unconnected, but I figured I'd check to see if anyone had experienced anything similar or had any thoughts about them being connected...

EDIT: Just a note, the die-off symptoms of achiness and sick-ish feeling ended a few days ago, but I've still not been sleeping well. That's what made me think it was something other than die-off from the Kefir.

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on August 06, 2013
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That is one of the reasons I like dairy, it is so easy to use on a bulking diet.

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on August 06, 2013
at 12:50 PM

Excellent! I've had serious trouble finding grassfed dairy anywhere, so I'll definitely pick some of that up and try and do a blind N=1 study on whether there's a difference :)

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on August 06, 2013
at 12:49 PM

And yes, if it turns out to be the cream, I'm going to be super bummed, because adding cream in makes keeping a bulking diet going a lot easier. Not worth it if I'm wiped when the workout comes around though :(

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Good sign that I'm not going crazy then :)

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on August 02, 2013
at 04:32 PM

i don't know why i assumed raw-- i guess bc you said it was from a farm? sorry.. :P yeah, i bet you'll do fine with the cream. in any case homemade kefir is way more "alive" - yeast allergy or not. best to take it easy at first.

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on August 02, 2013
at 04:23 PM

cutting out dairy relieves the symptoms, I'll try reintroducing just the heavy cream and see if the symptoms still stay away. If so and they come back with the kefir, it will likely be something in the kefir, possibly the yeasts.

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I wish I was able to actually source raw milk, but what I'm drinking is pasteurized, which means I miss out on those (mostly beneficial, I'd guess) microorganisms. As to yeasts, you may have something there, though I may not be as sensitive as you are. I know that I have issues with lactose in milk, which is originally what drew me to kefir (I've never had issues with hard cheeses or yogurt, both of which are also cultured); my kefir usually ends up pretty yeasty though (noticeable taste from them) and it's possible that the higher levels of yeast were causing the issue. If I find out that

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Yup, that's the current plan (been off for about two days now). However, "exhaustion" is a general enough issue that it'd be easy to confound the results of removing the food with removing whatever else could be causing it. Was hoping that others weighing in might provide some evidence beyond N=1.

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559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on August 02, 2013
at 04:15 PM

there are many live microorganisms in raw dairy -- exponentially more in raw kefir. i would guess, like you have, that your body and/or your microbiome is reacting to them. it's much less likely to be the nuts-and-bolts of the dairy itself (lactose, casein etc). i don't know if "die-off" is the best descriptor, but it is possible that something like that is happening. the introduction of high concentration of new bugs could be waging a coup (hopefully they're all "friendly"). or, you may be experiencing an delayed-reaction allergy to one or more of the bugs and/or their by-products.

take it slow. allow time for adjustment. if adjustment isn't happening, stop.

as a side note, i myself am allergic to yeasts; all raw milk products with the exception of super-fresh milk, cause me to react.. including cream, and even butter! raw milk naturally contains some wild yeasts, which multiply over time (even within few days). my reaction to yeast in any food includes fatigue, achiness, and disturbed sleep among other things. i am not suggesting this is your problem, i'm just puttin' it out there.

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

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on August 02, 2013
at 04:22 PM

I wish I was able to actually source raw milk, but what I'm drinking is pasteurized, which means I miss out on those (mostly beneficial, I'd guess) microorganisms. As to yeasts, you may have something there, though I may not be as sensitive as you are. I know that I have issues with lactose in milk, which is originally what drew me to kefir (I've never had issues with hard cheeses or yogurt, both of which are also cultured); my kefir usually ends up pretty yeasty though (noticeable taste from them) and it's possible that the higher levels of yeast were causing the issue. If I find out that

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

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on August 02, 2013
at 04:23 PM

cutting out dairy relieves the symptoms, I'll try reintroducing just the heavy cream and see if the symptoms still stay away. If so and they come back with the kefir, it will likely be something in the kefir, possibly the yeasts.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on August 02, 2013
at 04:32 PM

i don't know why i assumed raw-- i guess bc you said it was from a farm? sorry.. :P yeah, i bet you'll do fine with the cream. in any case homemade kefir is way more "alive" - yeast allergy or not. best to take it easy at first.

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on August 02, 2013
at 07:31 PM

I experience the exact same thing. I really want to be able to handle dairy because it's such an easy source of calories and nutrition, but every time I reintroduce it in the form of goat yogurt and later cow yogurt, I get the dry mouth feel when I wake up. My breath also really really smells.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on August 06, 2013
at 11:31 PM

That is one of the reasons I like dairy, it is so easy to use on a bulking diet.

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

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on August 06, 2013
at 12:48 PM

Good sign that I'm not going crazy then :)

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

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on August 06, 2013
at 12:49 PM

And yes, if it turns out to be the cream, I'm going to be super bummed, because adding cream in makes keeping a bulking diet going a lot easier. Not worth it if I'm wiped when the workout comes around though :(

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on August 02, 2013
at 07:22 PM

I've had both kefir in and out of my diet over the last year, and notice a sluggishness with heavy cream. Not a bad sluggishnes, but a sort of buttery glow oozing from every pore.

I would ditch the heavy cream first. Your milk source is not the best for quality fats. Organic Valley has a grassfed cream on the shelves of Wholefoods, which might be better.

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

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on August 06, 2013
at 12:50 PM

Excellent! I've had serious trouble finding grassfed dairy anywhere, so I'll definitely pick some of that up and try and do a blind N=1 study on whether there's a difference :)

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on August 02, 2013
at 03:04 PM

This is quite simple to check : completely remove kefir and heavy cream from your diet. See if the problems disappear after a week or so. If they don't, it's some other problem. If you do feel better, reintroduce kefir, then cream. Experiment, test.

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

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on August 02, 2013
at 03:50 PM

Yup, that's the current plan (been off for about two days now). However, "exhaustion" is a general enough issue that it'd be easy to confound the results of removing the food with removing whatever else could be causing it. Was hoping that others weighing in might provide some evidence beyond N=1.

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