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Struggling with paleo

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Hey folks,

I am really down these days. I went the paleolithic way hoping to find relief of my seborrheic skin condition particularly and for a better health in general. Also I wanted to gain weight in a reasonable way. I follow quite a strict form of the diet with no relapse into any old eating habits. I scarcely eat nuts and fruits not much either. The drop of bitterness is though that since going paleo I struggle with digestion issues. More specifically constipation and bloating which seems to be among the most common problems of newbies. I am really disappointed so far as this kind of diet rather than improving my overall health aggravates problems I had before. SO while hearing from everyone how glad they are with Paleo I get vey frustrated. I know that healing skin conditions even with the best diet can take ages. I can put up with that. But the digestion must be in best shape in order to guarantee that which isn??t the case right now. So please help me out or I see myself obliged to give up on this.

My meal plan: Mornings:

1. 3-egg Omelette with fruit and lots of Kerrygold butter or Ghee: (I eliminated the fruit and it wouldn??t get better)

2. 3-egg omelette with vegetables: (Didn??t solve the problem either)

3. Stand-alone 3-egg omelette: (Didn??t help)

Conclusion: So maybe it was the excessive amount of eggs compared to my rather eggless past?

4. So I left eggs aside in general: (Did nothing)

Now I changed my breakfast into:

5. Coconut milk and fruit or solely fruit: (Doesn??t seem to worsen things but I still don??t have relief)

In the beginning I also added some teaspoons of butter to every breakfast.

Lunch:

1. One day it??s sweet potatoes, kale and meat topped with butter.

2. One day it??s Paprika filled with hash and some starch (parsnips)

3. One day parsips with hash.

4. Sweet potato or parsnips fries with meat.

Conclusion: So meals most of the time consist of a piece of meat, starch and or other veggies. It??s always topped with butter.

Dinner:

1. Often fish with starch (e.g. parsnips fries) or veggies

2. Squash soup

3. Or some of the aforementioned meals again.

As for a rather delicate question: My bowel movements are that of constipated ones. So they need 3-4 days to occur and announce themselves with bloating and my stomach seems to be bubble an brew all the time. Once executed they look normal (S-form)

Question: What am I doing wrong? Too little fat or inappropriate combinations? What else?

I thought the Paleo diet is the most natural and therefore hast to fit everyone so I feel disappointed that I causes these problems.

May a lighter paleo solution with more rice etc. be more suitable for me?

Sorry for so much detailed explanations!!!

I would be very grateful for some help

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 25, 2013
at 03:23 AM

It's ok, no prob. :)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 02:20 AM

Eugenia. I hope you didn't take my criticism of your argument on the steroids thread personally. I just feel like there are a lot of misconceptions around the subject, and I was just trying to make my points clear. I'm sorry if I offended you or hurt your feelings any way. It was certainly not my intention to do so.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

(4347)

on March 24, 2013
at 11:21 AM

Sweet potatoes aren't nightshades. They're part of the morning glory family. (White potatoes are nightshades.)

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 22, 2013
at 03:48 PM

@Paleolithic you mentioned both sweet potatoes and paprika (peppers, I take it) - both of which are also nightshades.

Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

(4292)

on March 22, 2013
at 11:02 AM

I agree - magnesium supplementation is awesome for me. The trick is finding a dose that cures the constipation without giving you the runs, but even if you do take a little too much it isn't dangerous. Just inconvenient.

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on March 22, 2013
at 10:40 AM

Have you tried eliminating eggs?

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 22, 2013
at 10:03 AM

Also, if you were doing fine before paleo, maybe upping starchy carbs that made you feel fine (paleo doesn't necessarily mean low carb) and lowering protein/fat is the way to go. Maybe the 'eat-as-much-fat-as-you-can' isn't the best thing to do in the end. Moderation should be king. For me, trying to get not big enough meals to get stuffed has worked well to improve digestion.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 22, 2013
at 10:01 AM

Also, if you were doing fine before paleo, maybe upping starchy carbs that make you feel good (paleo doesn't necessarily mean low carb) and lowering protein/fat is the way to go. Maybe in the end all the 'as--much-fat-as-you-can' is also the best thing to do in the end. Moderation should be king. For me, trying to get not big enough meals to get stuffed has worked well to improve digestion.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 22, 2013
at 09:59 AM

Yep, It was a possibility. There are lots of people finding a correlation with this and their illnesses so never hurt to investigate. Maybe introducing some fermented foods may help? They seem to improve digestion a lot. Things like sauerkraut, fermented cheese, feta, kefir, maybe tempeh if you're not soy-phobic, apple cider vinegar, etc.

Eee9f1ff449fb1de2f27563441b824f8

on March 22, 2013
at 09:50 AM

1. I don´t drink any alcohol or any caffeinated drinks whatsoever. 2. Of the nightshade family I only eat tomatoes which have never caused any issues in my earlier diet. 3. I´am 19 years old boy who had no health issues at all before. My digestion worked perfectly and I don´t want to damage it. So, I don´t think that I have a leaky gut..

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3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 24, 2013
at 08:19 AM

I see a lot of parsnips in there. From what I read on your sample menus, you don't eat much variety. Do you do bone broth? Do you do offal once a week? How about oysters once a week? How about things like sorrel, amaranth greens, beets, fennel etc? How about game meat instead of industrialized chicken? How about more WILD, low-mercury fish instead of meat? How about enough sea vegetables per week? How about some home-made coconut/water (or even goat) kefir? How about sauerkraut? You see, that's hard core Paleo, not that stupid weight loss version that's around, where people remove foods without adding new ones to their new diet.

In addition to that, you should definitely do labs. Check your Mg, D3, iron, folate, B12, T3, Reverse T3, and many other things. Start supplementing with magnesium/D3 if you're low. Use cronometer.com to enter what you eat every day, to figure out what you could be missing.

Also, drink enough water (and more if you're exercising): if you're, let's say, 150 lbs, then you need half that amount in fl oz (75 fl oz, that's a bit over 2 liters of water per day, to maintain). And that water would have to be fluoride-free to really help, so if your tap water has fluoride in it (ask your mayor's office), buy bottled water that has gone through reverse-osmosis to remove fluoride.

I think these things are in order before you see some results in conditions that require a lot of time to heal.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 25, 2013
at 02:20 AM

Eugenia. I hope you didn't take my criticism of your argument on the steroids thread personally. I just feel like there are a lot of misconceptions around the subject, and I was just trying to make my points clear. I'm sorry if I offended you or hurt your feelings any way. It was certainly not my intention to do so.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 25, 2013
at 03:23 AM

It's ok, no prob. :)

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76026e8ef496039d5075440ff731aa0d

on March 22, 2013
at 09:14 AM

How are you on magnesium? It helps with digestion and staying "regular"

Truth.

Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

(4292)

on March 22, 2013
at 11:02 AM

I agree - magnesium supplementation is awesome for me. The trick is finding a dose that cures the constipation without giving you the runs, but even if you do take a little too much it isn't dangerous. Just inconvenient.

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E331f8f1ac5077f681024999afbb886f

(40)

on March 24, 2013
at 07:43 AM

A lot of people have trouble dealing with the shift in fiber intake. Is your diet drastically higher in fiber than it used to be? That will just take time, but when your body adjusts, you'll feel great. Also, are you drinking TONS of water? I drink about a gallon a day. I have IBS and I've found paleo works really well for me. I do eat yogurt though, which isn't paleo. But it helps.

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C657d176db6f11f98aeb2a89071e3281

on March 24, 2013
at 06:51 AM

I completely healed my skin on paleo. I am sure I had a leaky gut even though I never even knew what that was. I made this twice a week and drank it all the time, seriously, breakfast, lunch and dinner. I still do.

http://undergroundwellness.com/how-to-make-beef-bone-broth/

Watch the little video. It talks about the long chains created in the broth from simmering the bones 12-24 hours that activate quick healing cells in our guts.

I had holes in the palms of my hands that bled and peeled. One hand, ten years, the other five, and they are perfectly cleared up now.

My meals consisted of coconut oil, red meat, some fish, livers, kidneys, etc. and veggies. Kales and other greens, lots of avocado, butter. sauerkraut and other fermented foods. I didn't do starches until after my hands were healed and I only do sweet potato and white rice (paul jaminet-The Perfect Diet)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDoPwIp71_I

I gave up gluten first. That was the first year. And then I found all of these things and it has changed my life.

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3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

(8395)

on March 22, 2013
at 02:55 PM

Eczema is autoimmune, so that in and of itself may indicate leaky gut--proteins are leaking out of the gut and causing the inflammatory skin response. Not everybody has IBS type symptoms to leaky gut--it can manifest as many other auto-immune symptoms.

You may want to give GAPS a try. It's a good elimination diet in the first place and it will heal a leaky gut so that you can gradually add many foods back in.

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Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on March 22, 2013
at 10:38 AM

Have you tried eliminating eggs?

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048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

on March 22, 2013
at 09:16 AM

You may be experiencing leaky gut problems. You did already a good job trying to isolate the food that is causing you the issue but I guess you should keep trying until can get to the one causing the issue. Going paleo ditching grains usually tends to rise vegetable consumption so maybe one of them is causing it. Keep an eye on the nightshade family. It also seems that you have the most issues in the morning so maybe trying some intermittent fasting could help. You don't say anything about coffee or or other caffeinated drinks but if you have them you should put an eye on this too, they can irritate the gut.

You could have a look at this common FODMAPS list and re-start the process with it:

http://chriskresser.com/fodmaps-could-common-foods-be-harming-your-digestive-health http://www.ibsgroup.org/brochures/fodmap-intolerances.pdf

Also some info about the leaky gut, you can find tons of posts here on PH I guess: http://www.purehealingfoods.com/infoLeakyGut.php

Dr. Juck Kruse is also obsessed with this and you might learn some interesting data about how to heal in his posts: http://www.jackkruse.com/the-leaky-gut-prescription/

Hope that helps and good luck!

Eee9f1ff449fb1de2f27563441b824f8

on March 22, 2013
at 09:50 AM

1. I don´t drink any alcohol or any caffeinated drinks whatsoever. 2. Of the nightshade family I only eat tomatoes which have never caused any issues in my earlier diet. 3. I´am 19 years old boy who had no health issues at all before. My digestion worked perfectly and I don´t want to damage it. So, I don´t think that I have a leaky gut..

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 22, 2013
at 10:03 AM

Also, if you were doing fine before paleo, maybe upping starchy carbs that made you feel fine (paleo doesn't necessarily mean low carb) and lowering protein/fat is the way to go. Maybe the 'eat-as-much-fat-as-you-can' isn't the best thing to do in the end. Moderation should be king. For me, trying to get not big enough meals to get stuffed has worked well to improve digestion.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 22, 2013
at 03:48 PM

@Paleolithic you mentioned both sweet potatoes and paprika (peppers, I take it) - both of which are also nightshades.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 22, 2013
at 09:59 AM

Yep, It was a possibility. There are lots of people finding a correlation with this and their illnesses so never hurt to investigate. Maybe introducing some fermented foods may help? They seem to improve digestion a lot. Things like sauerkraut, fermented cheese, feta, kefir, maybe tempeh if you're not soy-phobic, apple cider vinegar, etc.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

(4347)

on March 24, 2013
at 11:21 AM

Sweet potatoes aren't nightshades. They're part of the morning glory family. (White potatoes are nightshades.)

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 22, 2013
at 10:01 AM

Also, if you were doing fine before paleo, maybe upping starchy carbs that make you feel good (paleo doesn't necessarily mean low carb) and lowering protein/fat is the way to go. Maybe in the end all the 'as--much-fat-as-you-can' is also the best thing to do in the end. Moderation should be king. For me, trying to get not big enough meals to get stuffed has worked well to improve digestion.

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