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Hack my symptoms (please)

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 30, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Hi all,

I'm a 26 male, been paleo about 3/4 months but have eased my way in instead of diving head first

Things I've been eating: Eggs, bacon, avocado, butter, ground beef, broccoli, salmon, shrimp, spinach Things I take: fish oil, Vit D, probiotic, magnesium in evenings, l-glutamine

Symptoms I've had for a few years: Persistent sore throat (this one is fairly new), Chronic fatigue, Very dark circles under eyes, Dry skin, some acne (poor skin in general), A hemorrhoid comes and goes (has for a few years), Slight stomachache after eating, Depression, Anxiety, Suicidal thoughts (have subsided somewhat on this diet)

Could it be digestive problems? Thanks

5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

(681)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:39 PM

@HuntingBears, it's best to catch B12 deficiency sooner rather than later, by the way, before permanent damage is done.

5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

(681)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:38 PM

@HuntingBears, Please read the Kresser article. He recommends testing first. I don't want to give you medical advice. If you did try supplementing, then it would make sense to get sublingual ("under the tongue") tablets to bypass your gut and avoid malabsorption issues. But the thing is, you could require injections if you were deficient. I don't know.

5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

(681)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:38 PM

@HuntingBears, Please read the Kresser article. He recommends testing first. I don't want to give you medical advice. If you did try supplementing, then it would make sense to get sublinguals ("under the tongue") tablets to bypass your gut and avoid malabsorption issues. But the thing is, you could require injections if you were deficient. I don't know.

5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

(681)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:37 PM

@HuntingBears, To be clear, that list is a list of *your* symptoms that you've described that I think match. It's not a complete list of B12 deficiency symptoms.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:16 PM

+1 for everyone who said Go see your doctor! If you don't get answers/treatment that help you get better (after a reasonable period of trial), go see another doctor.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:14 PM

Thanks for this comment, those certainly do sound like my symptoms. The thing is what to do if i am deficient/malabsorbant? I'd rather treat it and see how i feel than go to a doctor for a test. Supplements?

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

(762)

on May 01, 2012
at 12:17 PM

Cushing's syndrome seems more likely than hypothyroidism.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 01, 2012
at 12:04 AM

I appreciate the comments, the only problem is I have been to my doctor quite a lot and the only they diagnosed me with was depression, it's my understanding that those in the medical profession do not accept the hypothesis of leaky gut and certainly wouldn't be happy with my high fat diet. I have probably been depressed for 5 or 6 years could this not have messed my gut up, leading on to all the other symptoms?

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 30, 2012
at 06:15 PM

I'm not celiac or full-on allergic to any food - I am however mildly allergic to some foods (wheat), and extremely to somewhat intolerant of many (dairy, cruciferous veggies, beans). Not knowing this for a long time - spending 7 years as a strict lacto-ovo vegetarian who ate lots of grains and beans - left me with horrible lower GI issues. Spent 4ish years "paleo w/o knowing it", improved some symptoms, but I still had to have surgery to correct the lower GI issues. Now that that has passed, 2yrs on I'm able to exercise regularly again, and coupled with "paleo" eating, I'm feeling fantastic.

2fd566cefde2de38e75e1bc13a966e16

(662)

on April 30, 2012
at 05:54 PM

What was the ultimate cause of your problem?

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on April 30, 2012
at 04:39 PM

That's the weird thing because i do have some belly fat (i'm 6.1, 185, skinny fat) but I sleep fairly well, I also have things not consistent, like after learning to control my stress and improving my diet the small amount of hair was receding at the temples has been growing back and looks quite thick now, I also feel quite energetic when I IF so possibly not thyroid? I have been to doctors quite a lot, mostly for depression but since adopting a high fat/mod protein diet and cutting out grains my depression has hugely improved though the physical symptoms still seem to remain

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on April 30, 2012
at 04:38 PM

No one on here can safely "hack your symptoms" especially those that are that severe. Please see a doctor!!!

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 30, 2012
at 04:48 PM

Most important: go see your doctor.

However, I'll say that a Slight stomachache after eating and A hemorrhoid comes and goes (has for a few years), to me spells out a long-term issue with one or more things in your diet that can easily lead to most of all the other symptoms you've described.

This resembles part of the hell I went through between 6-2 years ago, and I reiterate again: please go see your doctor.

2fd566cefde2de38e75e1bc13a966e16

(662)

on April 30, 2012
at 05:54 PM

What was the ultimate cause of your problem?

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 30, 2012
at 06:15 PM

I'm not celiac or full-on allergic to any food - I am however mildly allergic to some foods (wheat), and extremely to somewhat intolerant of many (dairy, cruciferous veggies, beans). Not knowing this for a long time - spending 7 years as a strict lacto-ovo vegetarian who ate lots of grains and beans - left me with horrible lower GI issues. Spent 4ish years "paleo w/o knowing it", improved some symptoms, but I still had to have surgery to correct the lower GI issues. Now that that has passed, 2yrs on I'm able to exercise regularly again, and coupled with "paleo" eating, I'm feeling fantastic.

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E68bdbd83e45fd5be130e393ace9c9a9

(2063)

on April 30, 2012
at 06:36 PM

I agree with everyone: you need to go see a doctor.

I think it's great you're trying to heal yourself with a paleo diet-- I hope you find wonderful health and well-being -- but I will say that you have to be careful when you start tweaking things. Especially with the issues you list, I would be concerned about trying to follow the standard paleo diet that a lot of people here recommend and seem to thrive on. If you have digestive issues (I'm thinking leaky gut), you very well might worsen on lots of protein or difficult-to-digest vegetables or low-carb. I am learning this myself, having similar issues to you (skin issues, depression, anxiety, fatigue. I'm also fairly thin and in my 20s).

I followed a low carb paleo diet (about 50 g a day) for two months and I saw my depression and anxiety get much worse. As in, I was walking on the sidewalk and would suddenly break into uncontrollable sobs. This is something that had never happened to me before. I just want you to know that it might take some time to find a WOE that works for you, and especially in the beginning, with leaky gut, you need to be very gentle with your system.

Best of luck to you -- please keep us updated -- please see a doctor.

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15e5f57b981183b21fff26ce815bf93f

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on April 30, 2012
at 04:20 PM

i would look very seriously into your thyroid function, you have described classic hypothyroidsm. Is all your excess fat around the belly? Trouble sleeping?

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on April 30, 2012
at 04:39 PM

That's the weird thing because i do have some belly fat (i'm 6.1, 185, skinny fat) but I sleep fairly well, I also have things not consistent, like after learning to control my stress and improving my diet the small amount of hair was receding at the temples has been growing back and looks quite thick now, I also feel quite energetic when I IF so possibly not thyroid? I have been to doctors quite a lot, mostly for depression but since adopting a high fat/mod protein diet and cutting out grains my depression has hugely improved though the physical symptoms still seem to remain

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5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

(681)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:04 PM

The more I think about it, your symptoms (both the ones here and the ones you've described elsewhere) could be caused by vitamin B12 deficiency or malabsorption.

  • skin problems (including dark circles)
  • neurological problems (including depression and anxiety)
  • fatigue
  • tingling in extremities (this is a classic sign)
  • lymph node swelling
  • temperature regulation problems
  • abdominal pain

You said elsewhere that you get plenty of B12, but that doesn't mean a great deal because malabsorption is a not-uncommon problem.

In my opinion, the evidence is strong enough to warrant a B12 test. Ask your doctor.

For what it's worth, according to some vegans I read on the net, whom I would tend to trust in this matter because they have a personal stake, the most reliable test is uMMA, which is a urine test, and which I believe you could even get done yourself from various labs in the US for $150, probably even from Wales. Other tests supposedly have high rates of false positives and negatives.

Chris Kresser has an interesting article on B12 deficiency.

(I'm not a medical professional by the way. I'm a software developer. I could be completely barking up the wrong tree. But I couldn't help noticing that the symptoms seem to match.)

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:14 PM

Thanks for this comment, those certainly do sound like my symptoms. The thing is what to do if i am deficient/malabsorbant? I'd rather treat it and see how i feel than go to a doctor for a test. Supplements?

5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

(681)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:39 PM

@HuntingBears, it's best to catch B12 deficiency sooner rather than later, by the way, before permanent damage is done.

5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

(681)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:38 PM

@HuntingBears, Please read the Kresser article. He recommends testing first. I don't want to give you medical advice. If you did try supplementing, then it would make sense to get sublinguals ("under the tongue") tablets to bypass your gut and avoid malabsorption issues. But the thing is, you could require injections if you were deficient. I don't know.

5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

(681)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:37 PM

@HuntingBears, To be clear, that list is a list of *your* symptoms that you've described that I think match. It's not a complete list of B12 deficiency symptoms.

5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

(681)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:38 PM

@HuntingBears, Please read the Kresser article. He recommends testing first. I don't want to give you medical advice. If you did try supplementing, then it would make sense to get sublingual ("under the tongue") tablets to bypass your gut and avoid malabsorption issues. But the thing is, you could require injections if you were deficient. I don't know.

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Ef2f6c723983d7fe7a06bd57af6adeed

(1725)

on May 15, 2012
at 04:28 AM

Persistent sore throat - could be from anxiety/depression. Try taking some Vitamin C.

Chronic fatigue - make sure to get RESTFUL sleep. Try to go to bed around 10:00pm -10:30pm. Sleep until you wake up. Try to not use an alarm clock if you can. Make sure your room is pitch black. Light can affect your sleep.

Very dark circles under eyes - I got this when i didn't get good sleep.

Dry skin - maybe try not showering everyday. Change soaps? Drink plenty of water.

Acne - before bed, rinse face with warm/hot water, then apply lemon juice. Rinse with cold water.

Hemorrhoid- I've had mine for a year or so. It doesn't bother me, but it's annoying. I'd maybe go to doctor for that or get something to clear it up. I haven't really tried much yet though. :P

Slight stomach ache after eating - could be too much starch, otherwise take the probiotic after you eat. It could also be from anxiety/depression.

Depression/Anxiety/Suicidal thoughts - Get the Linden Method. It pretty much cured my anxiety/depression. I still get anxious at times, but I now know what triggers it, what it does, and how to get rid of it. :)

And maybe try cutting out the fish oil.

Could it be digestive problems? Maybe. It could be hypothyroidism, digestive issues, and or/anxiety depression that could be causing all these sensations. It's uber tricky trying to nail it down to one thing, but hang in there. Keep your head up. You're not alone. I've experienced many of the things you've mentioned.

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3d8b7e908d8a36a17aaf89f0f83f4df1

on May 15, 2012
at 03:15 AM

You have only been paleo/primal (your diet sounds more primal) for 3 weeks. In the first months you may find that your depression symptoms become " worse", I put that in quotes because the depression becomes more consistently sad for longer times rather than extremes of suicidal thoughts back to sadness. This is due to serotonin levels because you are lower carbing it. It may sound hokey but meditation and awareness help with managing the depressive bouts, literally emptying your mind instead of focusing on it. Try fermented cod liver oil because it has the right ratio of a,d,e, k2 and if possible the vitamin butter as recommended on the weston a price website. They are extremely healing for depression.

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A48df263488727ddaf3956fe95601f57

on April 30, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Iron and/or zinc deficiency? I too had a sore throat that wouldn't clear for months. Saw a ND who diagnosed anemia and zinc deficiency. My sore throat disappeared immediately upon supplementing. Helped tremendously with fatigue too.

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Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

(1794)

on April 30, 2012
at 07:43 PM

Take out fish oil, see what happens.

Also could be your probiotic.

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