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Why does SIBO take so long to eradicate?

Commented on February 10, 2014
Created February 08, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Every article I read about SIBO claims that can take "YEARS" to cure SIBO just within dietary means of action. I don't understand this claim. Suppose you do a ketogenic diet(Which I practice until I feel my body needs carbs again) Wouldn't that starve the bacteria excess pretty fast. How long can these bad guys really last if they're not provided a food source. Just wondering. Every article I read on SIBO emphasizes on the months and years." . What about a few days of fasting? How would that not kill those bad buggers off. I guess I don't understand why it takes so long.

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on February 10, 2014
at 03:55 PM

There is so much cause and effect going on, especially when you add in thyroid and stress like you say. The gut plays a roll in so much regulation of other body systems and there is the gut-mind connection, with the fact that there are neurons in the gut, which isn't properly understood yet.

I think there discovery that H-pylori plays a direct role in ulcer formation has lead to the premature dismissal of stress as a factor in ulcer formation as well.

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on February 10, 2014
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Off the top of my head, i think H-pylori can cause ulcers [plays a role anyway] by either increasing the pH of the stomach [less acidic], maybe just locally though; or by lowering the pH [more acidic] of the small intestine [duodenal ulcers maybe]. The fact that the body goes to a great deal trying to neutralize the contents of the stomach as it enters the small intestine, which if it fails to do so seemingly leads to ulcers, does make me question the theory that SIBO arises from a low acidic environment in the small intestine. But i don't have a clue anyway so who knows.

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on February 10, 2014
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Explain why you think stomach pH affects SI-(Small Intestinal)-BO.

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on February 09, 2014
at 08:19 AM

I don't believe there is a relationship between SIBO and H.Pylori but I am sure those are two different problems under the same category and could be caused by the same thing. I wish I were a scientist so I could thoroughly explore all the options, but, unfortunately, all my ideas come from my scientific readings and my personal battle with SIBO. One more thing to throw into this - thyroid and stress. There is a definite connection with SIBO and gut health.

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on February 09, 2014
at 02:25 AM

Do you know any more on the relationship between SIBO and H.Pylori? Do you think somehow SIBO could actually lead to H.Pylori becoming a problem because i think i remember reading that H.Pylori can obtain energy though Hydrogen gas which is produced by the gut bacteria associated with SIBO.

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I'm guessing that a high carb diet could deffinilty cause low stomach acidity, right? I think one of the reasons I got SIBO was eating Lean Meats on lots of wheat bread. As you know, when you don't eat fat, your never satiated. I think a High carb, High protein, low fat diet could definitely be a breeding ground for SIBO. Some things I know that increase stomach acid:

HCL (although I haven't tried it yet due to my gastritis from digestive enzymes.. Or maybe it was from low stomach acid!!!) Raw Saurkraut

Liberally adding Sea Salt to your food

Egg Yolks

Fatty Meats

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on February 08, 2014
at 09:56 PM

Another question: If there's damage to you MMC (Motor Migrating Complex) from constant snacking in the past, can you heal it by fasting. I eat anywhere from 2-4 meals a day. Sometimes fasting from 5 at night to 10 or 11 the next day.

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I believe it. I'm just can't comprehend why nearly every source I've read makes it seem like SIBO is impossible to eradicate. To me, a few days of VLC or Zero Carb would push the bad bacteria down the digestive track where they belong in no time. Not, 2 years time. I take probiotics like sauerkraut and have no issues with all vegetables. Wheat and starch seem to be my only enemies these days, but even I can tolerate some without setting off any previous issues.(NOT Wheat though. I mean starch. I never touch gluten)

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on February 09, 2014
at 02:45 AM

Does anyone really know what is going on with SIBO? All this gut bacteria stuff and it's relationship with health is in its infancy now and seems to be the next big thing what with all this Resistive starch stuff everyone seems to be banging on about, but i think we are in the unlucky position of having to wait a few more years before anyone makes more sense of it all. On one hand people are saying we don't have enough guys down there - the Perils of low carb etc - so people are actively trying to feed them as much as possible with prebiotics - resistive starch/fiber etc. On the other hand we have SIBO and seemingly too many guys down there. People that call fiber a "menace" etc.

Is SIBO a case of having the "wrong sort" or too many bacteria and/or being in the wrong place [-small intestine]?

What i don't understand is like you say, how do you starve the "bad guys" without starving the "good guys" exactly anyway? I know you can take antibiotics specifically designed to not leave the gut for SIBO, but surely they just indiscriminately wipe out "everyone"? It is strange that taking antibiotics doesn't have a 100% success rate and that the SIBO often comes back, so how are they getting back exactly? [May be they just hide in the appendix - there is no discrimination when it comes to the appendix, a hideout for the bad guys as well as the good lol].

IT was my understanding that SIBO is a side effect of malabsorption of something you are eating. Basically too much substrate for the critters in your gut, a case of over feeding them. You just have to work out what you are malabsorbing and if you are really lucky, why. Easily done obviously.

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on February 08, 2014
at 10:51 PM

I am always puzzled by the fact that doctors do not know the real cause of SIBO. Because once they figure the cause, it will be easier to eradicate SIBO.

Most doctors agree that the offset of SIBO can be linked to gastroenteritis. However, I disagree, even though I am not a doctor. I believe that the vicious cycle perpetuates itself by creating a low acidic environment in your gut. Either you have SIBO and low acid or you have H.Pylori and low stomach acid.

I believe that restoring stomach's natural acidity is crucial in eradicating and preventing SIBO. But again, I am not a doctor and I do not really know. Just a guess.

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on February 10, 2014
at 01:28 PM

Explain why you think stomach pH affects SI-(Small Intestinal)-BO.

576dc803ed0dfa3616509e20f515d070

(75)

on February 09, 2014
at 02:25 AM

Do you know any more on the relationship between SIBO and H.Pylori? Do you think somehow SIBO could actually lead to H.Pylori becoming a problem because i think i remember reading that H.Pylori can obtain energy though Hydrogen gas which is produced by the gut bacteria associated with SIBO.

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on February 09, 2014
at 12:27 AM

I'm guessing that a high carb diet could deffinilty cause low stomach acidity, right? I think one of the reasons I got SIBO was eating Lean Meats on lots of wheat bread. As you know, when you don't eat fat, your never satiated. I think a High carb, High protein, low fat diet could definitely be a breeding ground for SIBO. Some things I know that increase stomach acid:

HCL (although I haven't tried it yet due to my gastritis from digestive enzymes.. Or maybe it was from low stomach acid!!!) Raw Saurkraut

Liberally adding Sea Salt to your food

Egg Yolks

Fatty Meats

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on February 08, 2014
at 09:43 PM

The good bacteria will die as well as the bad if you deny them nutrients. Just as they will both grow with food to munch on. It is the balance in the body of good vs evil that gives you good health.

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on February 08, 2014
at 09:54 PM

I believe it. I'm just can't comprehend why nearly every source I've read makes it seem like SIBO is impossible to eradicate. To me, a few days of VLC or Zero Carb would push the bad bacteria down the digestive track where they belong in no time. Not, 2 years time. I take probiotics like sauerkraut and have no issues with all vegetables. Wheat and starch seem to be my only enemies these days, but even I can tolerate some without setting off any previous issues.(NOT Wheat though. I mean starch. I never touch gluten)

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