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Help with Sibo and Yeast

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 26, 2013 at 2:31 AM

Since last august I developed mild acid reflux and bloating overnight. I have taken multiple antibiotics right before that happened for sinus infections. To this day I still have bloating throughout the day. Im 131 pound male that is 5 ft 10. Im so skinny and my appetite is ravenous. I have been on antifungals and the candida diet since December after finally finding out what was wrong with me while doing my own research. I finally got diagnosed though with Sibo last week so the naturapath said stop my probiotics and the MD that works there gave me a colon cleanse and a 7 day course of xifaxam which I know pretty much stays in the gut. I have been on digestive enzymes for 6 months and my last tests came back with major pancreatic insufficiency. I believe that is from the enzymes so now my pancreas got lazy. I recently switched to sweedish bitters. I was eating a lot of coconut bread and buckwheat that I just recently found out isn't the best for sibo. I cut out my rolled oats, coconut bread, buckwheat bread, and my rice. Im at my wits end here, Im so hungry and the bloating isn't bad at first wakeup but the end of the night its bad. My digestion is still bad, I still have some undigested food in my stool. I digest protein horribly and my dr said to not eat as much meat but I have to. Im so depressed and just wanna eat. Any tips would be great. I would like to have a few pieces of pizza at least once a month or ice cream once a month or so but Im terrified. However it doesn't matter what I eat I feel the same way. The Nystatin has helped me though for the past few months, I gained my energy back. I m an mma fighter, a student and a full time employee. I haven't fought since I got sick. It kills me to see people eat regular diets and to see my fiance eating whatever she wants in front of me. I used to eat hundreds and hundreds of carbs a day my whole life. Also tons of sugar. I know I will never do that again but will I ever be able to eat somewhat normal again. I haven't touched gluten for two months either. Does it just take awhile to go away or what else do I need to do. I also rotate olive leaf extract, garlic and peppermint tabs every two weeks. Everyday I take Nystatin and sf722. Thanks for any responses. My life just plain sucks right now

C6032b723b12cf0073ec6d22c5f4e7ae

on May 28, 2013
at 09:04 PM

You're definitely not doomed... people are surprisingly resilient. Do you see a naturopath? One might be able to create a program for your specific needs. For balancing flora in the colon, research fecal transplants and chelating biofilms. Also look into potent antibiotics, such as soil-based bacteria and Saccharomyces boulardii. Healing the gut usually requires that your diet excludes inflammatory foods in favour of healing foods, such as broths and egg yolks. There's certain vitamin and mineral supplements that also help, as well as l-glutamine.

75327168c359ed1e3d094516152011a7

on May 27, 2013
at 06:26 AM

Thanks. How long did it take for your digestion to get better? It's been almost a year but only serious treatment for some months. I'm all out of whack because of stupid antibiotics and my diet. I want pasta bad. I ate pasta every single day for many years. I'm Italian. I'm trying more soups to help heal me?

75327168c359ed1e3d094516152011a7

on May 26, 2013
at 08:27 PM

I just started xifixam for sibo, feel a little better. I just want this bloating and mild reflux gone. I'm doing the scd and candida diet. I just don't know what to do for the bloating. The dr said I need the bacteria lower, the yeast lower then heal the gut. I heard it can take quite awhile??

75327168c359ed1e3d094516152011a7

on May 26, 2013
at 08:19 PM

I developed pancreatic insufficiency from my enzymes I have used them for 7 months. I now use sweedish bitters to get my pancreas back from being lazy. I have mild candida and sibo. I also take hcl after meals. My immune system in the past 4 months has been great. I don't get sick anymore , my allergies have improved by 1000 percent, it's just my gut. No diarrea, just 1 to 2 BM a day. I have been treating gut dysbiosis naturally for 4 months, since I added nystatin my yeast levels dropped alot. Plus my energy. I can train hard again. Is dysbiosis curable at all? It am I doomed?

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C6032b723b12cf0073ec6d22c5f4e7ae

on May 26, 2013
at 05:51 AM

You sound almost as bad as me... I have similar problems and I survive (barely) by eating numerous small meals throughout the day, as varied as possible. I'd like to avoid grains and legumes but I just can't without starving to death, so I have a couple servings a day, usually sprouted quinoa and green lentils that I soak overnight. I eat meat a couple times a day and I snack on avocados or macadamias for fat. I also drink a fair bit of broth, which seems to help add some easily digestible protein to my diet. I also find I tolerate good quality goat yogurt. For veggies, I eat mostly broccoli/cauliflower florets, zucchini, and cooked onions because they're lower in fibre and easier on the digestion. I also make vegetable juice, but even that will often have too much sugar for me. Do you use coconut oil? It's a good source of calories that's easier on the pancreas and liver. You probably have leaky gut problems, so try to rotate foods to avoid developing intolerances. I had to cut out poultry for a month because I ate it so frequently that it started causing me serious abdominal pain.

For optimal digestion, I never eat meat with any kind of starch, and I only eat one kind of starch at a time. I also refrain from taking in any fluids 15 minutes before or after meals. Some people say that advice is bunk but it helps in my experience.

I know that the Specific Carbohydrates Diet is great for healing SIBO, but if you have Candida as well, you can't handle monosaccharides any better than the more complex sugars. Have you thought of trying the GAPS diet? For compromised digestion and gut flora imbalances, it can help a lot, especially since it eliminates all starch, which easily ferments and feeds all manner of pathogens. You might need to be stronger to try it, however. I can't do it because the introduction diet is essentially a broth fast and I can't afford to lose any more weight. I wish I could, since a fast has great potential to give your pancreas a break and allow your gut to repair. I also think you need to be able to handle fat and protein a bit better than I can to try it. Still, it seems to have a lot of power as a healing diet: http://gapsdiet.com/Home_Page.html

What kind of enzymes do you use? For pancreatic insufficiency, you need to make sure you use some animal-sourced pancreatin, but it's also good to use some plant-based enzymes as well. I'm currently using these two: http://www.newrootsherbal.com/product/view/id/224 http://www.newrootsherbal.com/product/view/id/1311. The animal-derived enzymes also contain some bile and betaine HCL to aid in the other aspects of digestion.

Seroyal (a great professional brand) also makes chewable enzymes that come highly recommended. They also support bile and HCL as well, and they're apparently more effective than capsules. The animal products come from clean sources, and they're tested rigorously to ensure they contain no toxins. They contain small amount of fructose, however, so I've been wary of trying them, but I might have to soon. The risk of dependency due to pancreatic insufficiency is apparently way lower with them as well: http://www.seroyal.com/ca/brands/genestrabrands/products/2012/8/b/bio-enzymes.html

As for the antifungals, I know that it's not enough simply to kill off the yeast if you have a toxic colon, weak digestion, and a compromised immune system, and in the case of pharmaceutical antifungals especially, Candida mutates and develops resistances to them over prolonged use. If you're continually killing off the fungus while they still have a fertile environment to repopulate, you might end up making them harder to get rid of in the long term. If SIBO is your primary concern, you might want to target that issue first before trying to eliminate the Candida. A colon cleanse definitely seems necessary. It might help to go for several colonic hydrotherapy sessions, but that can weaken your colon's ability to operate on its own, and it won't do anything for SIBO. There's a yoga cleanse I've been considering called "Shank Prakshalana" that cleans out your entire digestive tract in a day, but it might be a bit intense: http://shankprakshalana.com. Psyllium and bentonite is also very effective, but it makes some people very constipated.

In the long term, supporting your immune system seems to be one of the main issues you might need to work on as well. Dysbiosis is incredibly complex... different pathogens contribute to and benefit from a toxic internal environment, creating a positive feedback loop that weakens every system in your body. It's frustrating and scary and believe me, I understand. At least your doctors seem competent and somewhat familiar with these problems... I am not so fortunate in that regard.

I wonder if I have SIBO too. 9 months ago, I was vegan and living off of lots of carbs, but then I got horribly sick. I've lost 20 pounds since then. At first I thought it was Candida because sugar and simple carbs make me feel like I'm poisoned, and I got a bit better by switching to the diet, but then I suddenly got worse. It became really hard for me to digest protein or absorb fat, my muscles got extremely weak and I lost even more weight. I got so weak that I quit my job and moved home. My bloodwork revealed that my pancreas and liver are both malfunctioning, my cortisol is high, and my immune system is under stress, but doctors have no theories at all about what could be wrong. I'm still super sensitive to carbs but I force myself to eat them because I just keep losing weight when I try to cut them out. My yeast antibody test came back negative, so my naturopath thinks I might have intestinal parasites... have you considered that possibility? Roundworms can inhibit the digestion of protein and the absorption of fat, they both suppress the appetite and cause hunger shortly after eating, they interfere with sleep, cause blood sugar problems, make it impossible to gain weight, and they can inflame the liver and pancreas as well. Just a thought, since that's one of my theories about what might be wrong with me.

The incredibly restricted diet is also driving me insane. I have dreams about eating vegan donuts on the regular. It's especially awful when eating consumes so much time and thought but you can't digest properly anyway. I'm incredibly envious when I see my friends and family eat whatever they want with no problems... I really shouldn't have taken that for granted.

Seriously, it sounds like you have it rough. Wishing you all the best with your recovery.

75327168c359ed1e3d094516152011a7

on May 26, 2013
at 08:27 PM

I just started xifixam for sibo, feel a little better. I just want this bloating and mild reflux gone. I'm doing the scd and candida diet. I just don't know what to do for the bloating. The dr said I need the bacteria lower, the yeast lower then heal the gut. I heard it can take quite awhile??

75327168c359ed1e3d094516152011a7

on May 26, 2013
at 08:19 PM

I developed pancreatic insufficiency from my enzymes I have used them for 7 months. I now use sweedish bitters to get my pancreas back from being lazy. I have mild candida and sibo. I also take hcl after meals. My immune system in the past 4 months has been great. I don't get sick anymore , my allergies have improved by 1000 percent, it's just my gut. No diarrea, just 1 to 2 BM a day. I have been treating gut dysbiosis naturally for 4 months, since I added nystatin my yeast levels dropped alot. Plus my energy. I can train hard again. Is dysbiosis curable at all? It am I doomed?

C6032b723b12cf0073ec6d22c5f4e7ae

on May 28, 2013
at 09:04 PM

You're definitely not doomed... people are surprisingly resilient. Do you see a naturopath? One might be able to create a program for your specific needs. For balancing flora in the colon, research fecal transplants and chelating biofilms. Also look into potent antibiotics, such as soil-based bacteria and Saccharomyces boulardii. Healing the gut usually requires that your diet excludes inflammatory foods in favour of healing foods, such as broths and egg yolks. There's certain vitamin and mineral supplements that also help, as well as l-glutamine.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 26, 2013
at 04:30 AM

So did you have SIBO, candida, or both? the antifungals wouldn't have helped at all if SIBO was the sole cause of your ailing health

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197651282ddd8d675b974ee811d2269e

on May 27, 2013
at 03:19 AM

You sound like me a year ago. Now I'm feeling great after trying a lot of things. Some worked, some didn't seem to. Here's what i would recommend based on what I suspected worked for me. Do one or two herbal cleanses. I used Renew Life's FirstCleanse followed by CandiGone while following a strict Paleo diet, no grains, legumes, and low fruits. To this day I if I eat a few bites of beans, I will have gas and burping for days. Fructose is just bad for my yeast problem. As for grains, I now eat a cup of rice or rice pasta every day and it works fine for me but initially all grains gave me digestive issues and acid reflux. Eat a lot of meat, especially beef and lamb. You will feel better in a month but you won't feel really great for a few months after that. Make sure you get adequate vitamins. Good luck!

75327168c359ed1e3d094516152011a7

on May 27, 2013
at 06:26 AM

Thanks. How long did it take for your digestion to get better? It's been almost a year but only serious treatment for some months. I'm all out of whack because of stupid antibiotics and my diet. I want pasta bad. I ate pasta every single day for many years. I'm Italian. I'm trying more soups to help heal me?

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