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Panic disorder/attack :-(

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 21, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Im having panic attacks like crazy the past 2 weeks. At lease two a day. I use to get them really bad in high school. I havent had bad episodes in a while till now. Supplementing with gaba helps but it takes a while to kick in for accute stress. Magnesium makes me drowsy but doesnt really help. It prevents me from falling asleep. Any suggestions?


Add: ive noticed days i eat fruit the panic attacks are more frequent. Could there be a candida/sugar connection?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 23, 2012
at 11:16 PM

closing until you see a doctor/mental health prof

E48146ad243fab742e69d10b633e05d6

(165)

on January 23, 2012
at 11:10 PM

I do have a good naturopath. Im doing better right now ive been monitoring a few things.

D5a4ff096a452a84a772efa0e6bc626e

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:41 PM

Wait, you're taking adrenal gland supplements? Stop those if you're having panic symptoms! And, seriously, go see an endocrinologist for some bloodwork, or at least a good naturopath or DO.

E48146ad243fab742e69d10b633e05d6

(165)

on January 23, 2012
at 12:01 PM

Thanks for you input. You didn't need to summarize my questions/answers out like that, but i appericiate it anyways.

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

(4183)

on January 22, 2012
at 04:54 PM

Definitely avoid caffeine, helped me.

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on January 22, 2012
at 04:43 PM

Yea I should've mentioned that. You don't even need to consult a doctor in that case, as a rule of thumb never combine amino acid supplementation with antidepressants or antipsychotics, it can lead to serotonin syndrome and other problems.

F15e0bae42dbf0b8cfc71e62902497b4

(2036)

on January 22, 2012
at 07:46 AM

Just a note, while supplements can be helpful, DO NOT combine them with RX drugs without consulting a doctor or pharmacist who really knows what they're talking about.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 22, 2012
at 01:46 AM

Thanks for a helpful answer!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 21, 2012
at 09:59 PM

Unfortunately some people have the opposite result on keto, which is why I think it's important to see a doctor and to trial it carefully.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on January 21, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Yeah the physical side is the scary part, I feel like the mental part for me is easy, but then I get the fear of the fear of the physical symptoms, which for me, manifest as nausea, which is my biggest fear, always has been, since I was like 6. Funny how the body knew how to trigger me. Blah. Thanks for the comment, I am feeling good right now, and I hope I don't have to take additional meds, but I am interested in learning more about what is out there just in case. xo

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on January 21, 2012
at 08:04 PM

I did take propranolol, a long while ago, I don't anymore. They didn't take long to work. Once the pysical symptoms of the panic were blocked, it was so much easier to work on the mental side. I do still get attacks occasionally now, no where near as frequently as I used to though, as you say, periods of high stress seems to "kick it off" again. Anxiety is a beast.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on January 21, 2012
at 07:53 PM

Which beta blocker do you take? My doc is trying to get me to take an SSRI (along with low dose klonapin) but I don't like the side effects I have read of them and would like to explore some more options with her but this is all pretty new to me (panic attacks started like a year ago after 3 insanely stressful months.. better now). Mg and D3 help me a lot as noted in my comment above, but I don't know much about beta blockers.

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

(661)

on January 21, 2012
at 07:30 PM

Also read about adrenal fatigue

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

(661)

on January 21, 2012
at 07:29 PM

I'd go to doc and get hormones checked

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on January 21, 2012
at 07:27 PM

Are you eating very low carb?

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on January 21, 2012
at 07:26 PM

What brings them on? Magnesium and D3 help me - I stopped taking them for 2 weeks and I got 2 panic attacks, even though I was taking klonapin. But I agree that a doctor should be seen (though they ignore my comments on magnesium and D3. Take the magnesium at night if it makes you drowsy, and I started to feel great once I upped (initially, months ago) my D3 to 1000 IUs per day to 5000-7000 IUs per day. Wishing you the best.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on January 21, 2012
at 07:26 PM

What are you eating and what else is going on in your life? See a Doctor. Dr. Chris Kresser has stated that diet and exercise help greatly with health but unless the stress and lifestyle issues are dealt with first you will still have issues.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 21, 2012
at 07:19 PM

please see a doctor or mental health professional. PH can only do so much.

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Medium avatar

on January 22, 2012
at 01:43 AM

I agree with Melissa, see a doctor, but if you can afford definitely go to a naturopathic doctor, since a MD will most likely want you to take antipsychotics or antidepressants which only make things worse in the long run. In the meantime, try l-theanine (which increases Gaba) and tryptophan, which increases serotonin. I've found that they help me rather quickly in times of stress. Having had panic attacks and known people who have had them I can really empathize with you, they produce some of the worst feelings imaginable, you feel like you're gonna die even though you aren't. Ideally you need extensively testing to see what kind of imbalances are going on in your body. You likely have high cortisol and low dhea, in which case dhea would help significantly. Pregnenolone has also been shown to reduce stress while providing emotional stability and relaxation http://vitanetonline.com/forums/1/Thread/154. If magnesium doesn't work for you it may be the form you're taking, try epsom salts, which are absorbed directly through the skin and much more effectively than oral forms. They also have calmed me down effectively.
Without knowing your diet and lifestyle I can't really give you the best advice possible, but I can still give you general guidelines, like make sure you have no caffeine in your diet, reduce sugar, and don't go too long without eating since that will raise your cortisol levels. Also, exercise helps a great deal, and not being alone does too. It always helps to have someone to vent to during your times of greatest stress. That takes away some of the negative thoughts and prevents them from feeding off each other.
It could be an allergic reaction to a food you're eating like wheat or dairy so make sure to observe and keep track of what you ate the day the panic attack happened. I hope you find peace and get through this ok, let us know how things go for you.

F15e0bae42dbf0b8cfc71e62902497b4

(2036)

on January 22, 2012
at 07:46 AM

Just a note, while supplements can be helpful, DO NOT combine them with RX drugs without consulting a doctor or pharmacist who really knows what they're talking about.

Medium avatar

on January 22, 2012
at 04:43 PM

Yea I should've mentioned that. You don't even need to consult a doctor in that case, as a rule of thumb never combine amino acid supplementation with antidepressants or antipsychotics, it can lead to serotonin syndrome and other problems.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 22, 2012
at 01:46 AM

Thanks for a helpful answer!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 22, 2012
at 02:01 AM

Perhaps you've read the books by Claire Weeks on this. They were written some time ago so the language will sound dated but she explains the symptoms and causes of panic with such lucidity that an immediate sense of relief comes from that explanation alone. Once one thinks of panic as the product of yet another dysregulated hormone - adrenaline - which, when brought under control, will allow the symptoms to recede, things may begin to settle down. She also provided a solid method for coping with the attacks:

Face the source of anxiety

Accept the anxiety

Float

Allow time to pass

When we are beset with intense anxiety we imagine it's obvious to everybody in the room that we're losing it. But this is usually not the case. The great world continues to spin whether we're in hell or otherwise. This, I think, is what's meant by "float". One needn't freak out about freaking out. Just resign yourself to being momentarily preoccupied and let the damn stuff run its course. There is an art to it. Once acquired, one can feel empowered, as if one had mastered some kind of jujitsu-psych. Because the bouts become fewer and shorter. And when that happens - there is a great sense of relief - even happiness.

Pain is the great teacher. I learned more from those sad times than any others.

Que le vaya bien.

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on January 21, 2012
at 07:39 PM

Hi,

I am so sorry you are going through this. I have had a panic disorder for most of my aldult life and it is truly horrid, you have my complete sympathy.

I totally agree you should go to see a doctor, there are plenty of things they can do do help you. My doctor put me on beta blockers when my panic attacks got really bad, you still have the same thoughts, the tablets are not mind altering, but they "blocked" the physical symptoms. the adrenaline was under control so mo more shaking, excessive sweating, dizziness or palpitations and then it was up to me to work on the mental side of things, though of course therapy can be a huge help for that.

Are you going through a particularly stressful time at the moment? Do you have any triggers that you know of? I would suggest keeping a diary of food and feelings and see if there is a common denominator around the times you have a panic attack. Sometimes just the action of writing it down can help on it's own.

Another thing that helps me MASSIVELY is listening to hypnosis tracks. I listen to one every night to help me drop off to sleep and there are tracks specifically dedicated to anxiety and panic attacks. You are taken down into a deep state of relaxation and then given gentle suggestions to your subconcious while in "trance". It can take a while for them to be affective but once your brain is used to them, and you fall into trance easily, the affects are honestly outstanding. I use Andrew Johnson's which you can get as an app on a smart phone, or simply go to his webpage on the net. there are of course plenty of other hypnotherapists out there with tracks you can download, but this guy works particularly well for me.

I wish you all the luck in the world, book the doctor's appointment now, and let us know how you get on.

Take care.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on January 21, 2012
at 08:04 PM

I did take propranolol, a long while ago, I don't anymore. They didn't take long to work. Once the pysical symptoms of the panic were blocked, it was so much easier to work on the mental side. I do still get attacks occasionally now, no where near as frequently as I used to though, as you say, periods of high stress seems to "kick it off" again. Anxiety is a beast.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on January 21, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Yeah the physical side is the scary part, I feel like the mental part for me is easy, but then I get the fear of the fear of the physical symptoms, which for me, manifest as nausea, which is my biggest fear, always has been, since I was like 6. Funny how the body knew how to trigger me. Blah. Thanks for the comment, I am feeling good right now, and I hope I don't have to take additional meds, but I am interested in learning more about what is out there just in case. xo

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on January 21, 2012
at 07:53 PM

Which beta blocker do you take? My doc is trying to get me to take an SSRI (along with low dose klonapin) but I don't like the side effects I have read of them and would like to explore some more options with her but this is all pretty new to me (panic attacks started like a year ago after 3 insanely stressful months.. better now). Mg and D3 help me a lot as noted in my comment above, but I don't know much about beta blockers.

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7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on January 21, 2012
at 07:59 PM

I started getting panic attacks when I started drinking fully caffeinated coffee some years ago. Even though I don't drink fully caffeinated coffee anymore, even if I have too much tea, or tea and chocolate, I'm susceptible. If you haven't already, I recommend cutting out all sources of caffeine and other stimulants: coffee, tea, chocolate, etc.

What are some things you've changed recently that are correlated with the increase in panic attacks? If you had them in high school, were you doing something different then that you think contributed (like increased caffeine intake, less sleep, etc) or do you think it is hormonally linked?

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on January 22, 2012
at 04:54 PM

Definitely avoid caffeine, helped me.

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on January 22, 2012
at 03:55 AM

It's quite dangerous to just post a thread that you are getting panic attacks without giving the full picture. You have posted in previous threads that you have hypoglycemia, you replied to a post about binge eating that you can totally relate it is real and difficult to control - digestive enzymes come in handy for me, especially for the discomfort, on 17 jan you posted that you had a freaky experience a week ago from too much meat, your gallbladder was hurting making you very uncomfortable and super anxious/panic attacks, so slowed down on meat consumption,you are taking chromium, magnesium and adrenal tissue/gland. It is probably your cortisol levels and as suggested by Dr BG it's best to have 150g carb daily split into 3 meals containing protein and fat.

E48146ad243fab742e69d10b633e05d6

(165)

on January 23, 2012
at 12:01 PM

Thanks for you input. You didn't need to summarize my questions/answers out like that, but i appericiate it anyways.

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on January 21, 2012
at 09:51 PM

If plain Paleo doesn't work for you, you might want to go Paleo-ketogenic (Paleo-keto is more effective for mental problems than plain Paleo). I'd go for 30 gr of carbs daily for 3 months, then go 40gr for another 3 months, then 50gr, etc. up to 100 gr 2 years later, and stabilize there. I've written about Paleo-keto here: http://eugenia.queru.com/2011/11/22/paleo-ketogenic-diet-for-mental-disorders/

Another important thing is that you need to do proper Paleo for it to work, e.g. eating offal and fermented foods, cook with coconut oil (very good for brain health), take krill oil & D3 (also good for brain health), exercise etc. Just removing grains and other foods is only part of the puzzle. The rest of the puzzle is actually adding ancient kinds of foods.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 21, 2012
at 09:59 PM

Unfortunately some people have the opposite result on keto, which is why I think it's important to see a doctor and to trial it carefully.

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E48146ad243fab742e69d10b633e05d6

on January 23, 2012
at 11:12 PM

Thanks everyone, i really appreciate your opinions and suggestions :-)

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