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Help out my mother

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Created July 26, 2011 at 2:15 PM

When my mother has to go to the toilet, she panics. She can't hold it, she has to go immediately or she, well ... she pees. It's not a disaster, but she often has to change plans to make sure she doesn't have to go to the toilet in the wild.

I tried to think of what it could possibly be, but I'm not experienced enough yet. Is it related to her muscles and does she need more potassium/magnesium? Is it related to her kidneys?

So I thought I'd ask you ...

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on July 29, 2011
at 10:25 AM

@Happy Now : Actually she does eat a lot of dairy... Probably one of the reasons.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on July 28, 2011
at 04:25 PM

She decided today to stop eating cheese, even though I didn't tell her to. I know she's interested in health but doesn't think paleo is good, she's afraid of red meat. Also, her doctor doesn't know a lot about food but he probably thinks that he knows, as he often gives weird advice : he told me to eat starchy foods because I had hypoglycemia. I ignored that and started going 100% paleo, and I never had sugar problems since then.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on July 28, 2011
at 04:21 PM

Hahaha great answer, thanks!! I'll check it out right now.

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on July 27, 2011
at 11:21 PM

got it! thank you!!

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on July 27, 2011
at 10:49 PM

you should make this a real answer instead of a comment. :-)

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on July 27, 2011
at 08:17 PM

Practicing squatting alternated with kegals should help with not being able to hold it. Once those muscles get stronger and more flexible, she can then try holding it just a little longer each time to try an develop a larger bladder capacity. There is also a condition called interstitial cystitis that can cause these symptoms. She needs to see a urologist and get to the bottom of this. Trying to ignore will just continue to reduce her quality of life.

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on July 27, 2011
at 06:28 PM

I sent you an email because my reply was too long I think and I was not able to post it here as a comment.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on July 27, 2011
at 05:09 PM

She goes regularly to the doctor, but doctor only have 15 minutes and don't care about the small problems. Our doctor is great (though he knows nothing about nutrition), but he can't solve this issue.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on July 27, 2011
at 05:08 PM

I'll have to ask her and edit then, but I don't even think she knows the name herself.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on July 27, 2011
at 05:07 PM

Thanks grenadine, it is a urinary issue and I'll edit the post. @ Happy Now she doesn't take any supplements and doesn't eat paleo

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on July 26, 2011
at 09:55 PM

wow @coffeeandcream! I find this so amazing that thru GAPS she is cured! Congrats and how wonderful!! Can I ask how long she did it and how long she was on the different phases? I need to do this as well, don't have Chrons, is in the family, I have most of the symptoms but no ulcers or blood...but I'm hoping to avoid that completely! Will be starting GAPS in September'ish after we move and get settled. Until then I do constant broths as needed.....would love to get some info from you if you dont mind sharing it!! (kellciadesigns@gmail.com)

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on July 26, 2011
at 09:13 PM

Does she take calcium supplements? The CW calcium supplementation (especially in the absence of magnesium) has led to bladder problems for some people because of soft tissue calcification, which makes the bladder less elastic, and that leads to pain and urgency. It is really common in older women. She might want to get tested for a UTI too, just to make sure that isn't the issue.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on July 26, 2011
at 04:38 PM

good thinking @grenadine because I did NOT take it as a urinary issue....maybe need to clarify

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on July 26, 2011
at 04:33 PM

hi korion! you just mean she can't hold her pee, right? i think "filthy" might not be the best word choice here -- it makes the problem sound like... something else. i know english isn't your first language, so.. yeah, just letting you know. sorry i don't have an answer for you! good luck.

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on July 27, 2011
at 08:37 PM

Kegel excercises - http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/kegel-exercises/WO00119 performed several times a day will firm up the muscles needed to stop accidental peeing. They're also very good for womens sex lives (and their mates) although you may not want to think about that related to your mom. - Sorry

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on July 28, 2011
at 04:21 PM

Hahaha great answer, thanks!! I'll check it out right now.

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on July 26, 2011
at 02:24 PM

sorry, but going to ask a few questions more....

How old is she?

does she have IBS or colitis, diverticulitis?

Does this happen regulary or soratically?

Is there any abdominal swelling? pain before during after?

does she have any known food allergies?

I have alot of food allergies and unfortunately I can tell you when I start feeling pain in my back (mistaken for kidney issues), I also get a heaviness across my lower areas (lower intestines)...and it often means the worst!! I dont always get any girgling or warnings either.

Do any of these questions ring any bells for further investigation? I'd find a good gastro dr....you might have to make several appts. because they'll all call it IBS and want her on 'chill' pills as I call it. It doesnt address the real issue, which could be any of the items listed above.

if you can give me some more info I'll do my best to try and find clues, but I'd take her to a good gastro dr. who is willing to consider alternative ops before pegging her into a round hole diagnosis.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on July 27, 2011
at 05:08 PM

I'll have to ask her and edit then, but I don't even think she knows the name herself.

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on July 27, 2011
at 07:50 PM

I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this but how many kids did she have? Sometimes the pelvic floor muscles get loose when one has a few kids, especially naturally and especially after the woman turns 40. I'm sure SAD and a sedentary lifestyle has a lot to do with lack of muscle recovery after childbirth but many women have this issue in their older years.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on July 28, 2011
at 04:25 PM

She decided today to stop eating cheese, even though I didn't tell her to. I know she's interested in health but doesn't think paleo is good, she's afraid of red meat. Also, her doctor doesn't know a lot about food but he probably thinks that he knows, as he often gives weird advice : he told me to eat starchy foods because I had hypoglycemia. I ignored that and started going 100% paleo, and I never had sugar problems since then.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on July 27, 2011
at 10:49 PM

you should make this a real answer instead of a comment. :-)

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on July 27, 2011
at 08:17 PM

Practicing squatting alternated with kegals should help with not being able to hold it. Once those muscles get stronger and more flexible, she can then try holding it just a little longer each time to try an develop a larger bladder capacity. There is also a condition called interstitial cystitis that can cause these symptoms. She needs to see a urologist and get to the bottom of this. Trying to ignore will just continue to reduce her quality of life.

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Bbb65dfde2b925e334048eb6438b3950

on July 26, 2011
at 08:56 PM

She could have chron??s disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crohn%27s_disease

My mother has it and before she changed her diet she would have uncontrollable bowel movements with cramping, blood and mucus. She started the Carbohydrate Specific Diet. It is very similar to paleo except they only focus on not eating any disaccharides. This is because the intestinal lining (enterocytes) are so damaged that it is missing the enzymes in the brush border that normally split disaccharides into monosaccharides so that they can be absorbed into the enterocytes and then into the blood stream. When these enzymes are missing the disaccharides don??t get split and absorbed and so the bacteria in the gut can eat them. This causes overgrowth of non beneficial bacteria which causes all kinds of other problems. The non beneficial bacteria will degrade the intestinal lining even more plus they release a bunch of toxins that can really mess you up, not only physically but also mentally.

She is completely cured. on her last check up she had no more sores in her colon or ileocecal valve (where the ileum (small intestine) joins the colon). She would have ended up with a colonectomy eventually, no doubt, if not for this diet. This diet requires you to be 100% strict to be successful. One tiny cheat and you get all the symptoms back with a vengeance, and then it takes a while to get rid of them again by faithfully following the diet. She does not have to take any drugs to keep her condition under control.

She should have a colonoscopy to see if she has Chron??s or some other digestive disease.

Bbb65dfde2b925e334048eb6438b3950

on July 27, 2011
at 06:28 PM

I sent you an email because my reply was too long I think and I was not able to post it here as a comment.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on July 26, 2011
at 09:55 PM

wow @coffeeandcream! I find this so amazing that thru GAPS she is cured! Congrats and how wonderful!! Can I ask how long she did it and how long she was on the different phases? I need to do this as well, don't have Chrons, is in the family, I have most of the symptoms but no ulcers or blood...but I'm hoping to avoid that completely! Will be starting GAPS in September'ish after we move and get settled. Until then I do constant broths as needed.....would love to get some info from you if you dont mind sharing it!! (kellciadesigns@gmail.com)

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on July 27, 2011
at 11:21 PM

got it! thank you!!

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D54290f91bd8c2ff9fdf2f519933bf3e

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on July 26, 2011
at 03:25 PM

i would go see a HCP and not try to 'hack' this on my own at this point.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on July 27, 2011
at 05:09 PM

She goes regularly to the doctor, but doctor only have 15 minutes and don't care about the small problems. Our doctor is great (though he knows nothing about nutrition), but he can't solve this issue.

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