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How do I show my father that our ancestors ate meat?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 18, 2011 at 1:49 PM

The more science, the better. Apparently, he saw on tv we ate no meat. I asked him how that is possible, if there's only 30kcal in every 100g of herbs/vegetables. He said that if cows can do that, we can. It turned into an endless discussion, and I just don't know how to prove it to him. What I need is some steady batch of scientific studies that show him why eating paleo is the right thing to do. That show him humans ate meat.

I have almost no experience with scientific studies about diet, so I really don't know where to start searching.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 18, 2011
at 08:51 PM

I can help you with the autopsy.

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

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on October 18, 2011
at 06:35 PM

Why do people keep voting this down? It's obvious, she was supposed to be collecting delicious snakes.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 18, 2011
at 05:04 PM

Haha I wish I could go to a local forrest, the only forrest around here is right next to the highway and is not very impressive. Only when I go to France I see real nature.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 18, 2011
at 04:47 PM

Maybe you should give him a biology textbook so he can understand that humans aren't ruminants, so his argument about cows is ridiculous.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 18, 2011
at 04:27 PM

Matt, that rutabaga needs your love and understanding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOLOnJbBdkI

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 18, 2011
at 04:19 PM

The ooze diet, the next big trend :)

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 18, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Sqirming, not swirling! Darn auto-spell!

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 18, 2011
at 04:18 PM

If you go back far enough, we were swirling through the ooze eating algae. So what?

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on October 18, 2011
at 04:08 PM

Rose, those rutabagas are quite dangerous to hunt! I nearly lost an arm hunting down the massive root I've got in my fridge. I'm on day #3 and still not finished eating him!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 18, 2011
at 03:55 PM

it's clear based on your questions here that your father just wants to not accept your diet and is being a troll

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 18, 2011
at 03:49 PM

I didn't know the only foods that exist are meat and vegetables.....

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 18, 2011
at 03:49 PM

I'm just really stumped by what he saw on TV. Any idea who/what made this claim? I guess all those spears, flints, and atlatls were used to hunt rutabagas, lol. http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo2/mod_homo_5.htm

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 18, 2011
at 03:22 PM

Cave paintings FTW.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 18, 2011
at 02:21 PM

Well I'm afraid he doesn't want to believe what I say cuz that would mean he'd feel guilty when eating : he eats almost exclusively non-paleo (big bread fan). That's why he tries to use pseudo-science against me, thinking I'll be really naive. Last thing he told me was that all apes are herbivores.

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on October 18, 2011
at 02:17 PM

Yuck! :) (additional comment to fulfill char req)

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65125edd5aafad39b3d5b3a8b4a36bb7

on October 18, 2011
at 02:14 PM

Dissect a cow and human cadaver on the living room floor, to demonstrate the extensive differences in colon sizes and organ structures (such as the rumen). Form follows function.

Ok, so that still might not convince him - but it would be funny to see his face though, yes?


Seriously though, if he is willing to accept TV show material like that so readily and absolutely, you are probably facing an uphill battle.

Perhaps the TV show relayed information about distant human relatives (2 million years back) which were primarily frugavore? Even chimpanzees eat meat from time to time.

The most notable explanation for meat eating is relayed by simple examination of the human gut. The smaller colon means less ability to digest fibrous plant material through bacterial fermentation, leaving a more extensive small intestines to handle meat and such.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 18, 2011
at 08:51 PM

I can help you with the autopsy.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on October 18, 2011
at 02:17 PM

Yuck! :) (additional comment to fulfill char req)

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on October 18, 2011
at 02:21 PM

Well I'm afraid he doesn't want to believe what I say cuz that would mean he'd feel guilty when eating : he eats almost exclusively non-paleo (big bread fan). That's why he tries to use pseudo-science against me, thinking I'll be really naive. Last thing he told me was that all apes are herbivores.

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7ec69a127cdc54061cbac029a4553495

on October 18, 2011
at 02:14 PM

Everybody knows that they used to hunt everyday, they also made the cave paintings showing their everyday life style...It's an historical fact... Good luck on it

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on October 18, 2011
at 03:22 PM

Cave paintings FTW.

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44348571d9bc70c02ac2975cc500f154

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on October 18, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Its easy, go to a local forrest and see whats there is to eat. Here when i go to wilderness. Theres tons of mushroom, berries, herbs, some roots, deer and some game birds etc. I can image how much more of everything there was before. Never seen a tree there that grows bread, thats for sure. But maybe i am not picking up the right mushrooms :D

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on October 18, 2011
at 05:04 PM

Haha I wish I could go to a local forrest, the only forrest around here is right next to the highway and is not very impressive. Only when I go to France I see real nature.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 18, 2011
at 04:14 PM

You could just hand him an anthropological textbook. 5.6 million years ago our ancestors probably WEREN'T eating any meat, but by the time these strange primates became close to humans, there is plenty of evidence from isotopes and butchered animal bones. The expensive tissue hypothesis also provides a rationale for why it became so importnat. There is no anthropologist who would dispute this and it's right there in any anthropology textbook worth its salt.

As for cows, we are NOT ruminants. We do not have four stomach compartments to do that kind of work. What we do have is a large hungry brain that needs a high-quality food like meat as fuel. Cow brains? They aren't very bright and their brains are quite small.

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 18, 2011
at 04:18 PM

If you go back far enough, we were swirling through the ooze eating algae. So what?

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 18, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Sqirming, not swirling! Darn auto-spell!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 18, 2011
at 04:19 PM

The ooze diet, the next big trend :)

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324bf94d3d6f9322d6e4dba4becfaab1

on October 18, 2011
at 03:30 PM

Cows eat 30-70 lbs of dry plant matter per day, which can be 100-150 total lbs depending on moisture content, according to what I found on the internet. I would be impressed if a human could eat 10 lbs of plant matter, even including moisture. Even if it were possible for humans to eat like cows, who would want to? They spend pretty much their entire lives chewing and re-chewing their food. I prefer eating steak and being done with my day's eating in 30 minutes, so the rest of the day I can be living life without toting around a 30 lb bag of green vegetables.

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on October 18, 2011
at 02:31 PM

Beyondveg.com generally has some good information.

Paleolithic Diet vs. Vegetarianism

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on October 18, 2011
at 02:09 PM

Have him watch Cordain's Origins and Evolution of the Western Diet lecture. He makes a pretty solid case.

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C6fabcde199b796d6969aae6956e324b

on October 18, 2011
at 03:44 PM

Look at out digestive system, our teeth, anthropological evidence of weapons and tools. I think we can confirm that we hunted, and ate what we caught. Except for when animals and game were scarce, it was likely a big portion of our daily calories.

This cant even be argued without ignoring huge amounts of evidence to the contrary. Does it mean we -never ate more than 50% of out diet in vegetables? No, I imagine that durign scarcity we are what was available and ate as much as we could find. Meaning, I am sure, that sometimes we -only ate meat, and sometimes -only- vegetation.

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93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

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on October 18, 2011
at 03:43 PM

Meat is probably ALL we ate:

http://tinyurl.com/3jqbmuo

The guys hunted, the gals gathered crawdads, until Evil Eve ruined everything.

93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

(2936)

on October 18, 2011
at 06:35 PM

Why do people keep voting this down? It's obvious, she was supposed to be collecting delicious snakes.

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