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Living on SF only: is it possible?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 25, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I wonder if it's possible for one to live eating saturated fats only and denying all exogenic MUFAs and PUFAs? For example, following a diet with no olive oil, no vegetable oils, and no fish oil supplements? One can eat meat, eggs, poultry, other great paleo products, of course. If they naturally contain omegas ??? that's fine, but the rule number one ??? no added oils whatsoever! :) How do you think, is it possible? Can one stay healthy for a long time?

Just a summary:

  1. Eat lard, butter, fatty pork, etc.

  2. Prepare food using butter, lard, ghee, or coconut/palm oil.

  3. Use sour cream or no dressing at all for salads.

  4. ??? [you add] :)

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 26, 2012
at 02:02 PM

BTW...bacon and oysters? Good combo? Hmmmmm I got a couple of cans of oysters (you use canned?)....have to try this.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 26, 2012
at 02:00 PM

thhq...To be honest I'm not even sure what the questions is :). At first I thought it about eliminating PUFA....which we know is impossible if your eating meat. Then I saw the summary and just went with that...which I assumed to mean use lard and butter exclusively to cook with (didn't think we meant just sitting around eating it with a spoon, but I could be wrong). Nah, I wouldn't eliminate seafood from MY diet.

76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9

(1178)

on October 26, 2012
at 05:22 AM

Sure but it isn't high in SF. Coconut oil would be the highest source but the OPems to think otherwise and is holdng on to a fantasy about being a rebellious animal fat eater. Sure eat someSF. It is great! No reason to eliminate USF other than excess and oxidized PUFA

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on October 26, 2012
at 01:38 AM

Ugh, more restrictive diets...

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(10611)

on October 26, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Jayjay we're splitting hairs pretty hard when fatty seafood is being thrown out. I have no problem smoking pork and eating it fat and all. Or frying up bacon with my oysters. Or even using lard to fry with. I thought the question was on cooking animals in their own fat and hacked that. Eating mass quantities of lard and buttersticks seems like the direction this is heading now. Sorry if I misread the question.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 26, 2012
at 01:10 AM

I'm all for lard (so were the Okinawans) .....great stuff! As far as being a processed food, wow we got to REALLY spit some tiny hairs to come to that conclusion. Hell my liver and steaks are also "processed foods" if your gonna go there with lard and butter.

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 26, 2012
at 12:21 AM

I meant homemade lard from good pigs.

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 26, 2012
at 12:20 AM

Why is lard terrific? It's delicious and full of useful nutrients.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 25, 2012
at 11:10 PM

Lard is quite terrific...that is all.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 25, 2012
at 11:05 PM

I actually slow cook probably over half my meals, because its easier to digest, and I think healthier. Baked salmon is delish.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:59 PM

Its hard to say how much omega-3 we need exactly. You can get iodine and selenium from other sources, but our great migration probably happened along the african coast. I think of fish as a pretty natural food myself. You might be fine with just o-3 from land mammals. But there again, even land bound paleos probably ate brain (high in o-3). I think its better to be on the safe side, and eat some fish here and there myself. If your concerned about oxidising, as I say, you can just slow cook your food (or go raw)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:56 PM

I was thinking mussels, and smoked salmon. Fish doesnt really require much cooking. I doubt that a little cooking destroys all the omegas. And if oxidation caused such foods to become poisonous, the same would apply to any PUFA or MUFA containing food (like beef). If this were your concern you could always slowing broil, or bake your seafood.

76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9

(1178)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:55 PM

why don't you eat raw fish then if you are afraid of oxidizing the unsaturated fats? seafood has a lot of benefits other than its fat e.g. iodine and selenium.

76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9

(1178)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:52 PM

they might not have had access to bodies of water, but they did have access to animals that we don't have access to, among other foods. don't exclude something healthy for irrational reasons, especially when it limits your diet in a way that isn't BETTER

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:51 PM

Jamie, you say I don't need fish oil supplements and I can agree with you here. But eating salmon implies cooking it with temperatures that destroy omegas thus rendering them poisonous for our bodies. Doesn't it? At the same time it's easier to control the quality and freshness of fish oil capsules if stored properly. Am I correct? But my main point was if one can avoid additional intake of MUFAs and PUFAs at all when fish is not consumed? So, the only sources of PUFAs are meat, green leafs, maybe nuts in moderation. Will these products provide enough PUFAs for healthy living?

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:46 PM

I can try living without fish or marine products. I suppose not all cavemen had access to rivers and seas whenever they wanted.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:43 PM

Technically you dont need tallow or butter either. You could drizzle your salads in mere lime or lemon juice, and fry meats in their own fat, or bake/broil/roast them. But frying is pretty darn convienient.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:40 PM

Seems like you just want to avoid refined oils including fish oil, and use tallow and butter etc instead. Thats perfectly valid, and there are others here who do the same. Throw in some fatty fish here and there for omega-3, and the occasional olives/avocado/nuts and we are talking a diet with a more whole foods angle, I am sure many/most of us would philosophically agree with that.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:37 PM

I think using no refined oils, like olive etc is perfectly acceptable, and some people here do it. We all avoid high o-6 vegetable oils, thats standard paleo. You definately dont NEED fish oil supplements, I prefer to just eat some salmon or mussels here and there. But i dont see the rationale in avoiding whole foods with MUFA or PUFA (like mac nuts, or salmon), but then I am not sure thats what you want to do.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:35 PM

Okay, so you are just essentionally talking about not using olive, nuts, avocados or "the oils of" in your paleo diet, but butter and dairy instead. That should be fine. I am not sure why youd do this, but it should be okay, ull still get plenty of MUFA in meats (they are universally considered healthy, so I cant figure your motive for avoiding them). And yeah, the seafood is a good question, are you also avoiding omega-3 in fish?

76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9

(1178)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:11 PM

are you going to eat seafood or no?

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:07 PM

I like cooking with butter, but I avoid making it a mainstay fat source. Lard, tallow and butter are processed foods which were not available to paleos any more than olive or coconut oils were. And if you don't like fish, don't eat fish. It sounded to me like you were looking for naturally occurring animal fats, and anchovies, smelt, sardines, mackeral and salmon are full of them.

76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9

(1178)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:00 PM

why are you so against unsaturated fats? they aren't inherently bad.

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 25, 2012
at 09:49 PM

Eating fish? Why? Do they contain mostly SFs? No! Why do you consider lard and butter bad for eating?

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 25, 2012
at 09:48 PM

Lard is about 40% saturated fat and only 10% PUFAs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lard So eating meat and lard would supply both oleic acid and a little PUFAs.

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 25, 2012
at 09:34 PM

As I said, MUFAs and PUFAs from meat are ok. Just no added oils or fish oil supplements.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 25, 2012
at 09:32 PM

The only foods that are primarily SFA, are dairy products, and coconut oil.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 25, 2012
at 09:31 PM

It would be a meatless diet. Most meats have more MUFA than SFA, and they all have some level of PUFA.

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2e5dc29c61f97d335ffb990508424719

on October 25, 2012
at 10:58 PM

You need the essential fatty acids, vitamins, and 9 essential amino acids. Those are your obligate nutrients. Your body can synthesize anything else you need. Dietary sources of non obligate nutrients may be helpful but are not required for life.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 26, 2012
at 01:29 AM

The answer is yes, you would likely be just fine.

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Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 25, 2012
at 09:45 PM

It sounds like you are proposing eating only animal-based fats, and yes I think it would work out pretty well. I would focus on duck, goose and fish because of the quality of their fats, and would avoid adding lard, butter and tallow except as needed for pan fat.

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 26, 2012
at 12:21 AM

I meant homemade lard from good pigs.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 26, 2012
at 02:02 PM

BTW...bacon and oysters? Good combo? Hmmmmm I got a couple of cans of oysters (you use canned?)....have to try this.

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 25, 2012
at 09:49 PM

Eating fish? Why? Do they contain mostly SFs? No! Why do you consider lard and butter bad for eating?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 26, 2012
at 02:00 PM

thhq...To be honest I'm not even sure what the questions is :). At first I thought it about eliminating PUFA....which we know is impossible if your eating meat. Then I saw the summary and just went with that...which I assumed to mean use lard and butter exclusively to cook with (didn't think we meant just sitting around eating it with a spoon, but I could be wrong). Nah, I wouldn't eliminate seafood from MY diet.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 26, 2012
at 01:10 AM

I'm all for lard (so were the Okinawans) .....great stuff! As far as being a processed food, wow we got to REALLY spit some tiny hairs to come to that conclusion. Hell my liver and steaks are also "processed foods" if your gonna go there with lard and butter.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:07 PM

I like cooking with butter, but I avoid making it a mainstay fat source. Lard, tallow and butter are processed foods which were not available to paleos any more than olive or coconut oils were. And if you don't like fish, don't eat fish. It sounded to me like you were looking for naturally occurring animal fats, and anchovies, smelt, sardines, mackeral and salmon are full of them.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on October 26, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Jayjay we're splitting hairs pretty hard when fatty seafood is being thrown out. I have no problem smoking pork and eating it fat and all. Or frying up bacon with my oysters. Or even using lard to fry with. I thought the question was on cooking animals in their own fat and hacked that. Eating mass quantities of lard and buttersticks seems like the direction this is heading now. Sorry if I misread the question.

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76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9

(1178)

on October 25, 2012
at 09:16 PM

sure it's possible, because no foods contain only saturated fats. all fats are a mixture of various fatty acids and coconut may be 91% saturated. dairy fat is only about 75% saturated, and tallow is 45% saturated. while lard has even less saturated fat and is high in PUFA.

the most commonly occurring fatty acid in the human body is oleic acid, named after olive oil (primarily MUFA). so maybe eliminating it from your diet doesn't make a whole lot of sense, eh?

also considering that the only essential fatty acids that humans need are PUFA, maybe deliberately avoiding sources of them ain't a great idea.

76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9

(1178)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:00 PM

why are you so against unsaturated fats? they aren't inherently bad.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 25, 2012
at 11:10 PM

Lard is quite terrific...that is all.

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 25, 2012
at 09:48 PM

Lard is about 40% saturated fat and only 10% PUFAs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lard So eating meat and lard would supply both oleic acid and a little PUFAs.

76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9

(1178)

on October 26, 2012
at 05:22 AM

Sure but it isn't high in SF. Coconut oil would be the highest source but the OPems to think otherwise and is holdng on to a fantasy about being a rebellious animal fat eater. Sure eat someSF. It is great! No reason to eliminate USF other than excess and oxidized PUFA

7b4641bc7c610f2944da66f79cc3378a

(298)

on October 26, 2012
at 12:20 AM

Why is lard terrific? It's delicious and full of useful nutrients.

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