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Could it be that eating VLC is actually stalling my weightloss?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 02, 2011 at 2:33 PM

My weight loss has been stalled but I've noticed when I treat myself to sweet potatoes, I will actually weigh less the next day. Anyone else experience this?

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on November 07, 2011
at 07:28 AM

didn't know Kimbo slice was paleo... I feel like Dr. K's 50g per day recommendation is less for men, more for women. I eat almost 3000 cals per day, 50 g is a joke.

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on November 07, 2011
at 07:26 AM

a carb refeed can do that for water loss, temporarily.

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on October 04, 2011
at 02:48 PM

I tried throwing in some plain roasted pumpkin at dinner time for the past 2 nights and it just resulted in weight gain. Bah.

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on October 03, 2011
at 04:40 PM

(con't) any before dinner snacks and any alcohol all within a 60minute window and that includes after dinner coffee to. Everything must be consumed within the 60min and then NOTHING eaten afterward until the next am, and then go vlc. I did this a a once a week thing for a plateau bump and on vacation trips and still use it. I used it 2-3 times/wk on a cruise and loss 3lbs. But I was roughly 40-50 lbs heavier than I am now at goal weight. It sounds like you are trying something and it may be working for you at the place you're at now. Why not continue a bit and see?

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on October 03, 2011
at 04:36 PM

You know, if you are seeing a pattern, as you write, and it is working, why not just go with it? Track it, I'd say weighing maybe weekly instead, and see where it goes! We are all a bit different, and as well, specific diet changes working differently dependent on where you are in your loss journey. One thing that worked well for me early on- as in at 40lbs down and 50lbs down, was using Heller and Heller's tool I got from their Carbohydrate Addicts book - do planned major "cheats" of equal amounts of macros (roughly) at the dinner meal and can include desert. BUT, must eat EVERYTHING

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on October 03, 2011
at 12:45 PM

Currently I am at a net 100lbs or so loss. At one point I had reached around 140lb loss. my highest was 320ish. Last year I got down to 179. Right now I'm 213 but 2 or 3 months ago I was back up to 228. either way its a large loss. I gained weight back when I stopped taking Topamax and Vyvanse. I was also not eating quite as clean as I should have been.

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on October 03, 2011
at 05:14 AM

http://www.drsharma.ca/obesity-why-diet-and-exercise-is-not-a-treatment-for-obesity.html http://www.drsharma.ca/obesitywhy-is-it-so-hard-to-maintain-a-reduced-body-weight.html

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on October 03, 2011
at 04:49 AM

(con't) fact that you are a already a substantially weight reduced person with all the attendant metabolic effects that this implies. Also, re: exercise, you can of course vary the daily intensity. I think the most important thing is the daily - even 20 min DAILY.

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on October 03, 2011
at 04:47 AM

As I remember, you have already lost about 100lbs and gained back about 35? Is this correct? You may find that you may have to knock your cals down farther and at the same time rev your exercise up, or at minimum, rev your exercise up. Daily exercise of at least moderate intensity if not kick ass would be most helpful. Daily 30min hits fasted, of at least moderate but even better more intense exercise may do the trick. You might try driving your carbs up and down a bit too - up to 20 - up to 50 - down to near zc etc - a form of lower carb cycling. Your body is already responding to the

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on October 02, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Well she mentions a short term loss - overnight, right? She doesn't mention that the loss was maintained over the long term or that her loss sped up just by adding in the potato. I guess I wonder what would happen to the scale weight once her insulin bg levels stabilized again. Anyway, like I said it was just a thought.

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on October 02, 2011
at 09:40 PM

It doesn't explain why weight that was once fixed starts to go down again since you talk about acute effect.

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on October 02, 2011
at 09:03 PM

I definitely stay under 10g carbs per day since I eat mostly meat.

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on October 02, 2011
at 09:03 PM

My exercise hasn't changed for the past few months. During the week I eat very little and I stay under 1500 cal per day easily. Weekends I eat a bit more but not much.

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on October 02, 2011
at 09:00 PM

I will have to check out Cronometer!

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on October 02, 2011
at 08:04 PM

That's a really interesting idea, Meredith.

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on October 02, 2011
at 06:11 PM

Plus 1--Absolutely accurate if you describing me!

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on October 02, 2011
at 06:10 PM

I have a very tight carb window for weight loss, right around 75 g per day. If I eat more, I don't lose; if I eat much less, I become certifiably insane with cravings. I haven't been able to stay VLC long enough to even 'find out' if I'd lose weight. :))

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on October 02, 2011
at 03:48 PM

When you say your weight loss is stalled you are only citing diet as the mechanism here. It may be helpful to know what your exercise consists of too. Also maybe how many calories you are taking in.

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on October 02, 2011
at 07:23 PM

Here's a stab in the dark about this.

So we know you are eating VLC. Robb Wolf and others like Kurt Harris talk about the fact that over time VLC can cause one to become temporarily insulin resistant. This is an adaptation to eating VLC and not a disease state.

So, when one is insulin resistant, insulin is not clearing glucose from the blood fast enough and you become hyperglycemic. This causes increased urine output as a result. Among other things). This is one reason why when folks talk about reintroducing carbs after vlc or lc, they are coached to titrate them up slowly, in order to get the body's metabolic machinery going in that direction again (whether that direction is the right way is another topic altogether).

So, my guess is that you peed out some water due to the high blood glucose you had after eating starch while on a vlc plan. Overnight fat loss in pounds does not happen - I think.

Someone with a biochem background may likely tear this idea apart.

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on October 02, 2011
at 08:04 PM

That's a really interesting idea, Meredith.

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on October 02, 2011
at 09:40 PM

It doesn't explain why weight that was once fixed starts to go down again since you talk about acute effect.

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on October 02, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Well she mentions a short term loss - overnight, right? She doesn't mention that the loss was maintained over the long term or that her loss sped up just by adding in the potato. I guess I wonder what would happen to the scale weight once her insulin bg levels stabilized again. Anyway, like I said it was just a thought.

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on November 07, 2011
at 07:26 AM

a carb refeed can do that for water loss, temporarily.

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on October 02, 2011
at 04:33 PM

A familiar pattern for women eating paleo for fat loss: tried eating VLC to jump start fat loss, saw no fat loss or even some gain, switched to moderate carb and usually started counting calories, got desired fat loss.

Weighing a couple pounds less the day after eating some starch isn't a reliable measure of 'weight loss' I have to say. I would start logging your intake. See what you're eating now in terms of macros/calories, and try some calculated variations. See what works for you. People truly are different.

Some people experience intense hunger on VLC diets which leads to high consumption of fat/calories. I think this is the main reason VLC isn't a good tool for weight loss for everyone (it does work for many - a majority seem to get suppressed appetite). Many people also feel better generally with moderate carbs in their diet.

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on October 02, 2011
at 06:11 PM

Plus 1--Absolutely accurate if you describing me!

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on October 02, 2011
at 04:59 PM

I seem to be losing weight for the first time in three years since adding a small evening potato or sweet potato to my diet. I eat a Dr. K-esque low carb, high protein breakfast - usually 3 eggs, 1/4 lb of grass-fed ground beef and lacto-fermented salsa - and fast through lunch (which is no sweat thanks to the big breakfast). Dinner is usually steak or ground beef with a small potato (diced and broiled with a tablespoon of coconut oil = pure heaven). We also do a lot of slow-cooked beef stew and soups made from bone broth, beef or chicken, veg and some kind of potato.

According to Cronometer, I'm eating about 50% fat, 30% protein and 20% carb. There may be multiple factors at work here, but I find that the addition of the potato helps me to stay inside a lower calorie framework - ~1,100 calories, since my life is fairly sedentary at the moment.

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on October 02, 2011
at 09:00 PM

I will have to check out Cronometer!

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

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on November 07, 2011
at 07:28 AM

didn't know Kimbo slice was paleo... I feel like Dr. K's 50g per day recommendation is less for men, more for women. I eat almost 3000 cals per day, 50 g is a joke.

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on October 02, 2011
at 06:04 PM

I experience it all the time, and my wife. It happens that my weight is constant on VLC but if I eat ice cream or something, it starts going down. I don't know how to explain that except that for some reason sugar is not absorbed because of enzyme downregulation or something... if its absorbed, it will be used to recover glycogen ASAP which comes with x3 water weight and by all logic you would get weight. If I overeat carbs, like I eat 3 ice creams instead 1, that is indeed what happens

As always, organism is very good at adaptation. Thats why I like the concept of cheat day. Adaptation means you are more efficient, so you get more energy from the food you eat. By switching to another type of fuel, you revert efficiency.

My only problem with eating bunch of carbs after prolonged VLC is the idea that it will all be absorbed and that pancreas will not give enough insulin so lots of sugar will hag out in the blood forming AGEs, like with diabetics. I don't know if that happens, since I don't have sugar meter, but I believe it does (judging from the fact that VLCs often fail OGTT if they do not introduce carbs few days before). That wold mean that cheat day is actually harmful. If somebody has more info on this, I would appreciate any input.

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on October 02, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Some people think that this phenomenon comes from the carb cycling itself, not the higher carb days in isolation. Unfortunately for me, I've never experienced it.

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on October 02, 2011
at 02:49 PM

I often notice this if I do it one a week. It also happens if I eat alot of wild salmon in a given day.

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