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Are "safe starches" the new "cheat meal"?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 06, 2012 at 1:23 AM

A year ago when I first started reading PH, there was lots of discussion about cheat meals. Since safe starches have hit the scene, there's no longer any discussion of cheat meals. Are we more satisfied now that we can have potatoes, etc.? Were cheat meals really about comfort food and are starches the ultimate comfort food?

2194b1863657b6be2e49ae0dac911c72

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on March 22, 2012
at 01:37 AM

Why would bacon be a cheat meal?

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on January 06, 2012
at 03:23 PM

I thought the majority of the meals that tropical hunter-gatherers eat are cheat meals though, bro. I thought most of hominin evolution was a bunch of cheat meals with the occasional real meal thrown in...?

Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

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on January 06, 2012
at 01:35 PM

No Matt, he means there is a risk of any given potato harvest being poisonous which, as with a great many things, is considered too dangerous to sell to the public without testing. Which is what he said.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 06, 2012
at 01:21 PM

Why not make food tasty? We're not robots seeking energy inputs, we're not crazed animals unable to control cravings. We're humans who eat to stay alive and live life to the fullest.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 06, 2012
at 01:19 PM

You mean all these years I've been eating homegrown potatoes and NOT testing them for toxins, I've been poisoning myself?! *gasp!* Government save me! /hysterical panic.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 06, 2012
at 10:38 AM

Define "too many carbs." I've been eating well over 350g of carbs on training days for months, 50+g on off-days, while losing weight. I used to get there with lots of fruit, now trying sweet potatoes and rice.

E286e6ba6ef6c4c4a31a749e59aa57e1

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on January 06, 2012
at 05:39 AM

Prepare to have your mind blown!! Boil and deskin a nice big sweet potato until very soft, smash it all up with a tablespoon of coconut oil while mixing in a teaspoon of pumpkin pie spice. This is the reason I have no head in my Avatar .

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on January 06, 2012
at 03:10 AM

Or try cheese-stuffed bacon-wrapped dates. TO. DIE. FOR.

C00e493393828df34be65ddc25456c7c

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on January 06, 2012
at 02:43 AM

Don't know how folks can mix savoury/salty and sweet?

C00e493393828df34be65ddc25456c7c

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on January 06, 2012
at 02:41 AM

cold they are not, but hot chips, or hot roast potatoes/wedges - that's comfort food.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 06, 2012
at 02:15 AM

Dude. Wrap those sweet taters in bacon, and I'm pretty sure they become a super food. Especially if you smother that concoction with real maple syrup!

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on January 06, 2012
at 11:11 AM

Since you used the term "safe starches", I look at them as connected with Perfect Health Diet. Starches are integral to the make-up of the diet on a daily basis. There are also an awful lot (or so it seems) of rather high carb eating paleos at PH. I think putting the term "cheat" on starch per se is wrongheaded. Rice, potatoes, etc. are not cheats to me. Chinese fried rice from my fave restaurant (still haven't managed to come close at home) and french fries ... those are cheats.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 06, 2012
at 02:01 AM

I'm not a heavy starch eater but I don't consider it a cheat meal. If I throw a sweet potato into a stew and decide to add a handful of (soaked,drained) white rice, it's just food.

Now, that Cherry Garcia I had at Christmas--THAT was a cheat meal!

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Df7cf48be85c91165f9f39f1fe462e41

on January 06, 2012
at 05:13 AM

For me, I do treat them as a cheat. I am VLC otherwise, and will rarely have starches. If I find myself with a craving for something sweet, which is rare, I will allow myself a few bites of a sweet potato. Usually I'd say it ends up being a couple tablespoons worth off my hubby's plate, and I'm good. I have done this maybe once a month. I stay VLC, as I have some weight to lose, but hubby is RIPPED and can certainly afford the starch.

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9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on January 06, 2012
at 04:34 AM

People losing weight should stay away from too many non vegetable carbs, and those who need the fuel should eat according to their needs.

Potatoes aren't "safe" even if you take off the skins, actually the highest concentration of toxins in in the 1-2mm under the skin.

Wild potatoes can literally kill you. Governments and farmers must assay the amount of toxin in potatoes before marketing them because every once in a while the production of toxin kicks in and you'll get a bunch of normally edible potatoes that are horribly not edible.

Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

(5332)

on January 06, 2012
at 01:35 PM

No Matt, he means there is a risk of any given potato harvest being poisonous which, as with a great many things, is considered too dangerous to sell to the public without testing. Which is what he said.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 06, 2012
at 01:19 PM

You mean all these years I've been eating homegrown potatoes and NOT testing them for toxins, I've been poisoning myself?! *gasp!* Government save me! /hysterical panic.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 06, 2012
at 10:38 AM

Define "too many carbs." I've been eating well over 350g of carbs on training days for months, 50+g on off-days, while losing weight. I used to get there with lots of fruit, now trying sweet potatoes and rice.

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9b0a4701e373d4dd13831cfb9b13f42d

(1677)

on January 06, 2012
at 02:07 AM

Bacon is a cheat meal (AKA meat candy), sweet potatoes rare just something I need to get to 50 grams of carbs per day to fuel my workouts.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on January 06, 2012
at 03:10 AM

Or try cheese-stuffed bacon-wrapped dates. TO. DIE. FOR.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 06, 2012
at 02:15 AM

Dude. Wrap those sweet taters in bacon, and I'm pretty sure they become a super food. Especially if you smother that concoction with real maple syrup!

C00e493393828df34be65ddc25456c7c

(610)

on January 06, 2012
at 02:43 AM

Don't know how folks can mix savoury/salty and sweet?

E286e6ba6ef6c4c4a31a749e59aa57e1

(608)

on January 06, 2012
at 05:39 AM

Prepare to have your mind blown!! Boil and deskin a nice big sweet potato until very soft, smash it all up with a tablespoon of coconut oil while mixing in a teaspoon of pumpkin pie spice. This is the reason I have no head in my Avatar .

2194b1863657b6be2e49ae0dac911c72

(139)

on March 22, 2012
at 01:37 AM

Why would bacon be a cheat meal?

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03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on January 06, 2012
at 12:52 PM

"Cheat meal" was a bit of a misnomer, or at least overused. The word cheat implies that you're breaking the rules. A real cheat meal would be, "I know I shouldn't eat pizza, but I was out with my friends last night, and after I had a couple drinks, I just couldn't pass it up anymore. I hope I don't feel like crap today or have trouble getting back to eating right."

But many people also used it to mean, "an occasional high carb meal that I include in my diet for a leptin reset" (or whatever). I guess that's because it kind of felt like cheating: "Ooh, I haven't had potatoes in so long, this is so good it can't be healthy." But if you choose to do it for a reason that you think will have positive results -- even just giving yourself a mental break from the stress of sticking to a diet -- it's not a cheat. There probably should have been a better term for it -- reset meal, break meal, my-neighbors-offered-me-free-potatoes-from-their-garden meal -- but it doesn't seem like any other term ever caught on.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 06, 2012
at 01:50 AM

Cold yellow potato with vinegar is not comfort food. I've added some safe starch but I try not to make it too inviting. I avoided it for so long that it doesn't hold my attention now.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 06, 2012
at 01:21 PM

Why not make food tasty? We're not robots seeking energy inputs, we're not crazed animals unable to control cravings. We're humans who eat to stay alive and live life to the fullest.

C00e493393828df34be65ddc25456c7c

(610)

on January 06, 2012
at 02:41 AM

cold they are not, but hot chips, or hot roast potatoes/wedges - that's comfort food.

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7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on January 06, 2012
at 01:31 AM

Safe starches aren't the new cheat meal for me. I do safe starches on a daily basis and a cheat meal typically once a week.

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E167c0387a5f0b87bb1f2c3e6aec73a8

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on January 06, 2012
at 04:24 PM

My muscles run on FAT and my liver on fructose ( o noes, sucrose) and lactose. No place for hunger, gas, toxins and anemic starches on my diet! Also cheat day? > Every day!

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1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on January 06, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Just for the record, starchy tubers are not "cheats". Non-Paleo starches such as white rice are "cheats". Humans have been eating starchy roots and tubers for millennia and most likely after they mastered the controlled use of fire, frequently included them in their diet.

What it boils down to (pardon the pun) are which starchy tubers were available to humans during the Paleolithic era. Potatoes weren't but yams certainly were.

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on January 06, 2012
at 03:23 PM

I thought the majority of the meals that tropical hunter-gatherers eat are cheat meals though, bro. I thought most of hominin evolution was a bunch of cheat meals with the occasional real meal thrown in...?

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Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

(5332)

on January 06, 2012
at 09:27 AM

The brain is forever searching for its loopholes. At least it's a step in the right direction.

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293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

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on January 06, 2012
at 02:34 AM

yeah white rice is hardly comforting to me, i'm eating it to keep weight on and hopefully improve my ft3/rt3 ratio

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