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good reason to get rid of cocao, splenda, oats and cottage cheese

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM

i would like to go fully paleo but i have a real hard time giving up these 4 foods and find that they are really addictive. any tips or recomendation?

thks!

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on October 17, 2012
at 04:58 PM

thks! i will try new thing, and yes i really do like it haha

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on October 17, 2012
at 01:33 PM

Phytic acid isnt a demon BTW. Its a natural source of inositol, the CNS's secondary messanger system, and its anticarginogenic (like in a way that polyphenols arent). The important thing with phytic acid containing foods, is not to eat them all the time (ie sparingly), and try not to eat them with nutrient/mineral rich foods. Basically not in excess. It really depends also on what other anti-nutrients are present too. Not to specifically argue with you bonebroth :P just saying in general, from my reading, a little phytic acid here and there, sparingly, could be good for you.

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on October 17, 2012
at 01:33 PM

Otherwise, here's a cacao powder that's been fermented under sunlight: http://www.wholesugars.ca/MumsOriginal-OrganicCacaoPowder200g

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on October 17, 2012
at 01:31 PM

If you don't care too much about getting the maximum nutrient content, I think Hershey's uses the Broma method to make their 100% Cacao Powder. http://www.fitnessinanevolutionarydirection.com/2011/06/3fw-fed-fun-food-of-week-hersheys.html

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on October 17, 2012
at 01:30 PM

Agree. The two most common processing methods--Dutch and Broma--remove some of the fats and phytic acids, but they can degrade the antioxidants and other nutrients. (Between these two, I think Broma is better, because it doesn't use alkalizing chemicals). I've heard the best way to get quality cacao is to ferment the beans under sunlight, but that method can be expensive.

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on October 17, 2012
at 12:51 PM

I have read splenda can kill the the good gut flora, and did notice my GI symptoms really ramp up after I started using it in my coffee.

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 17, 2012
at 12:01 AM

i wait a couple of hours before eating to ride the HGH wavee anyways, and im not on a low carb diet as im trying to gain weight! sugar post workout wouldnt be so bad is i wait right?!

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on October 16, 2012
at 11:51 PM

It's the glucose, not the insulin, that inhibits growth hormone, or more accurately, temporarily causes it to build up in the pituitary before GH levels rebound.

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 16, 2012
at 10:33 PM

insulin will inhibit the release of growth hormone, and whey spikes your shit up.

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(30)

on October 16, 2012
at 02:08 PM

no sugar post workout. just whey. post workout sugar inhibits the release of growth hormone.

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 16, 2012
at 01:43 PM

i mix all of these ingredients together + protein powder and fruit for a postworkout meal

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on October 16, 2012
at 01:11 AM

Cacao is one of nature's highest sources of phytic acid.

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 16, 2012
at 12:52 AM

lol, in fact i mix all of em 4 items together+ protein powder for post work out, hahaha

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on October 16, 2012
at 12:46 AM

Cocoa isn't really frowned upon really, just the sugar and additives sometimes added to chocolate. This is easy to get around, just get high quality stuff.

I'd try to cut out splenda. Stevia may be better, I don't know for sure but I'd bet on it. I'd personally take raw honey or blackstrap molasses over splenda any day. Depending on how you use it, there are many better options.

In an answer I gave a while back I decided oats aren't half bad, assuming you tolerate them and get enough dietary minerals from other sources. You can even find recipes and ways to prepare oats healthfully on this very site.

If you tolerate cottage cheese and see now ill effects from it I don't consider it bad or necessary to avoid.

So with the exception of splenda, I don't think you need to cut these foods out of your diet if you feel fine eating them. Just don't make them a huge part of your diet.

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on October 16, 2012
at 12:49 AM

I would first cut out splenda and oats.

I don't think that cocao isn't paleo as long as it is unsweetened and organic of course.

If you need to substitute something for sweetness id recommend organic Stevia, but only as a sometimes/cheat thing.

Oats, well I think you know why they should be cut out.

Some people (including myself) will eat dairy. For me that is the difference between primal and paleo (if someone would like to correct me on that?) so I do not see an issue with the cottage cheese. in fact mix some cocao with the cottage cheese for a delicious desert :)

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on October 16, 2012
at 12:52 AM

lol, in fact i mix all of em 4 items together+ protein powder for post work out, hahaha

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on October 17, 2012
at 12:25 PM

I know oats aren't paleo, but personally, I'd eat oats if I wasn't too lazy to soak them properly (lots of info at Whole Health Source blog if you're interested).

And likewise, I'd eat cottage cheese if I didn't prefer yogurt. But I'd make sure it was from healthy dairy sources (hopefully organic, mostly grass fed) and that it was full-fat. It's easy enough for me to find organic, grass-fed, full fat local yogurt, no idea about availability of good cottage cheese though.

Cocoa -- I'm not giving up chocolate either.

Hard to come up with a justification for splenda. I use honey when I need a sweetener.

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on October 16, 2012
at 11:32 PM

i'd use the oats and cocoa for a face mask so don't throw them out. mix with a little avocado and honey. it feels so good on your skin and smells amazing.

i would just get rid of all the splenda. i used to use A LOT of it and i think it contributed to all of my digestive problems.

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on October 17, 2012
at 12:51 PM

I have read splenda can kill the the good gut flora, and did notice my GI symptoms really ramp up after I started using it in my coffee.

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on October 16, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Cocoa: Just get rid of the sweetened kind.

Splenda: The thing is, we don't know if it's bad for you.

Oats: Their full of easily absorbable carbs and contain Phytic Acid, which inhibits the absorption of minerals.

Cottage cheese: High amounts of lactose(which is a sugar), if you are not sensible to it, go at it, sensibly.

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on October 17, 2012
at 01:40 PM

Chocolate, just go with that sparingly as a treat and use the lower sugar, dark kind (like 90% etc). All good.

Oats: You should probably try a while without it. Its a bit of a hassle using nourishing traditions to prepare grains etc. But if your super game, go for it (or have it very occasionally as a scheduled cheat). You can make some oats and cereal like things. Paleo nut granola, and I beleive theres some oats like food made of coconut and banana, or some such. If you do some web searches, and are creative, you can often find acceptable alternatives.

Splenda: I dont like any non-caloric sweetners. Id rather use real sweetners in moderation, for my health. Honeys got lots of benefits

Cottage cheese: I still do all kinds of fermented dairy. Some do get benefits from dropping dairy, so if you like, trial a few weeks with no dairy. Or if its too big an ask, keep doing it.

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on October 16, 2012
at 08:00 PM

Have found following the first month or so of trying this out that by cutting out the legumes and grains my stomach has behaved 100% better even keeping dairy in the mix! So long as my body is tolerating it I don't see a need to dump it! I feel so much less bloated. It's funny because I always thought that my problem was lactose intolerance before trying the paleo/ primal thing.

As far as the Splenda goes, I have used agave in a couple of treats here and there but after a month of naturally sweet fruits and veggies I find that anything with added sweetener is a bit much. Which for someone with a sweet tooth like mine is saying something! I will steal a taste of some honey if I am really having a craving.

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on October 16, 2012
at 01:38 AM

I stalled for a few months before I dumped splenda. Experimenting with Stevia now. Stevia has the benefit that it tastes disgusting if you use more than a tiny amount.

Oats - Probably a 30 day drop and re-add to see how you feel. I'd take oats over corn any day but I'd still try life without.

Cottage cheese - Don't eat the stuff so don't know...

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on October 17, 2012
at 02:10 PM

Sounds like you really love this post workout combo. What about just replacing the oats and sweetner with something else? I feel like sliced almonds and some strawberries would go great in that combo.

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 17, 2012
at 04:58 PM

thks! i will try new thing, and yes i really do like it haha

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on October 16, 2012
at 01:49 AM

What are you sweetening with splenda anyways? You shouldn't really need stevia, either.

1414dfd67708ca13685ff59bc35483f6

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on October 16, 2012
at 02:08 PM

no sugar post workout. just whey. post workout sugar inhibits the release of growth hormone.

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 16, 2012
at 10:33 PM

insulin will inhibit the release of growth hormone, and whey spikes your shit up.

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 17, 2012
at 12:01 AM

i wait a couple of hours before eating to ride the HGH wavee anyways, and im not on a low carb diet as im trying to gain weight! sugar post workout wouldnt be so bad is i wait right?!

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 16, 2012
at 01:43 PM

i mix all of these ingredients together + protein powder and fruit for a postworkout meal

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on October 16, 2012
at 11:51 PM

It's the glucose, not the insulin, that inhibits growth hormone, or more accurately, temporarily causes it to build up in the pituitary before GH levels rebound.

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