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lifelong runny nose and possible link to foods (update: mild mucosal thickening of sinuses)

Answered on September 16, 2014
Created March 26, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Have any vasomotor rhinitis (chronic non-allergenic runny nose) sufferers manage to ???cure??? themselves via food elimination (...i hope so).

I have had a runny nose (clear liquid/mucous) for as long as i can remember (all my life), no matter where i lived, the weather, time of year or what i ate.

The only time it does not run is during the night when i am asleep, when i presume the mucous runs down my throat (yuk).

I have tried eliminating foods but nothing has worked. Tho some foods i only tested for a week or two, i wonder if that was too short. I did an elimination of all dairy years ago, tho after a few weeks (cannot recall exactly) i went back to eating natural yogurt (but still no milk, creams or cheeses). So i plan to do another trial elimination of yogurt. (i am gluten free as well).

Anyway, to my question, looking for feedback really, case histories, anecdotes, from fellow sufferers, or i should say, past sufferers,

Assuming the problem was linked to foods...

What food or foods did you find were the problem?

& how long did you need to eliminate that food (foods) before the ???fix??? kicked-in?

Any other suggestions/clues welcome, ie. suggestions for possible blood tests i can ask for. I have had allergy skin tests before & all showed negative.

As i say, it seems that i have chronic non-allergenic rhinitis (vasomotor rhinitis). That???s what all the Docs say as well, who just prescribe nasal sprays, none of which help.

edit/update (21Jul13):
I recently had a CT scan done of my sinuses & an MRI of my head as well.
Both of these showed "mild mucosal thickening" to most of my sinuses (sphenoid, maxillary & frontal). & the ethmoid sinus was indicated as "largely clear", which probably means there was some thickening there as well.
I suspect (but can't say for sure) that these conditions are chronic in my case & one possible symptom is my runny nose.
...Anyone had similar & 'fixed it' ?

Thanks

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on August 05, 2013
at 10:51 AM

How is your D3 blood level? My histamine intolerance symptoms have decreased over time since I started supplementing D3 and keeping my blood level around 80 ng/ml.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on August 05, 2013
at 08:41 AM

so if high histamine has been causing my runny nose & my bad sleep, both of which have been happening as long as i can remember, it would seem that i have something 'broken/not working properly' in my body...? & my body cannot deal with histamine properly as compared to 'normal' person

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on August 05, 2013
at 08:36 AM

& on another quest (that i thought unrelated) i started taking Seriphos before bed to hopefully improve my sleep on the assumption that my bad sleep maintenance is due to high night-time cortisol (& seriphos is supposed to lower cortisol). Well i think the seriphos may have indeed lowered my corisol, because when i take it i become itchy, the more i take the itchier i get. so my current theory...is that my cortisol is chronically high because it is working to keep my histamine levels down all the time. & taking the seriphos dropped my cortisol, which then allowed my histamine levels to rise

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on August 05, 2013
at 08:35 AM

you may be on to something Dragonfly, i recently had my blood histamine level tested, & it was above range

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on July 21, 2013
at 02:19 AM

...oh & i was rice free for months, prob nearly a year, which made no difference, so rice is not an issue

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on July 21, 2013
at 02:10 AM

thx Chris. i am also gluten free (mentioned early in my Q) & i gave up alcohol a few years back. my nasal breathing is actually really good, no nasal congestion at all, just the runny nose (plus the mild mucosal thickening seen on the scans). dairy could be a factor tho, i don't do milk, cream or cheese, but i have never been able to give up yogurt for more than a few weeks.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on July 21, 2013
at 02:01 AM

Chris, i don't eat/drink anything made from wheat, the only grain i consume is white rice

2fd93e91bb14e641a2bac9c6033e84e2

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on July 21, 2013
at 01:46 AM

Daz, what makes you think it's not wheat?

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on July 21, 2013
at 12:54 AM

thx for the feedback Chriss, good to hear you fixed it, alas not wheat in my case

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 29, 2013
at 04:36 AM

daz, I'm lactose intolerant and anything with milk/milk solids makes me get stuffy. I think the clear, constant drip that continues all day was from wheat. I definitely use more or less tissues when I'm on or off wheat.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on March 28, 2013
at 10:30 PM

thx Nance, what foods do you think are trigger foods for you

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on March 26, 2013
at 11:26 PM

thx Dragonfly, no i have not & i definitely will. i expect i'll comment back later when i've had a chance to look in to it. 

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on March 26, 2013
at 11:00 PM

Have you explored Histamine Intolerance?

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on March 26, 2013
at 11:26 PM

thx Dragonfly, no i have not & i definitely will. i expect i'll comment back later when i've had a chance to look in to it. 

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on August 05, 2013
at 08:35 AM

you may be on to something Dragonfly, i recently had my blood histamine level tested, & it was above range

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32566)

on August 05, 2013
at 10:51 AM

How is your D3 blood level? My histamine intolerance symptoms have decreased over time since I started supplementing D3 and keeping my blood level around 80 ng/ml.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on August 05, 2013
at 08:36 AM

& on another quest (that i thought unrelated) i started taking Seriphos before bed to hopefully improve my sleep on the assumption that my bad sleep maintenance is due to high night-time cortisol (& seriphos is supposed to lower cortisol). Well i think the seriphos may have indeed lowered my corisol, because when i take it i become itchy, the more i take the itchier i get. so my current theory...is that my cortisol is chronically high because it is working to keep my histamine levels down all the time. & taking the seriphos dropped my cortisol, which then allowed my histamine levels to rise

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on August 05, 2013
at 08:41 AM

so if high histamine has been causing my runny nose & my bad sleep, both of which have been happening as long as i can remember, it would seem that i have something 'broken/not working properly' in my body...? & my body cannot deal with histamine properly as compared to 'normal' person

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on July 21, 2013
at 12:40 AM

hello daz I to had a runny nose for all off my adult life (35 years) or as long as I could recall. When I stopped eating wheat products last September, the runny nose and congestion went away! Amazing!! Even after all these months I still find myself taking in a big breath through my nose because the feeling is so amazing :)))

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on July 21, 2013
at 02:01 AM

Chris, i don't eat/drink anything made from wheat, the only grain i consume is white rice

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on July 21, 2013
at 12:54 AM

thx for the feedback Chriss, good to hear you fixed it, alas not wheat in my case

2fd93e91bb14e641a2bac9c6033e84e2

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on July 21, 2013
at 01:46 AM

Daz, what makes you think it's not wheat?

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on July 21, 2013
at 02:19 AM

...oh & i was rice free for months, prob nearly a year, which made no difference, so rice is not an issue

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2fd93e91bb14e641a2bac9c6033e84e2

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on July 21, 2013
at 01:57 AM

I have had awesome results avoiding gluten and alcohol. I will say that I had previously done gluten-free for 7-10 days at a time and didn't see much relief. It's only since I've gone more-or-less permanently gluten-free that I've seen significant improvements. Alcohol can also have me reverting to sniffliness.

I will say that as I've gone to completely gluten free I've also been working on inflammation-reduction, primarily for my knee and hip joints and for my sinus congestion. I avoid processed sugars and (try to) limit my alcohol intake. No gluten, limited grains, and limited dairy that is organic, non-homogenized, and full-fat. FCLO/BO and fish oil religiously, along with increased Vitamin D, magnesium, malic acid, and potassium (food sources). Lots of water, no seed oils, lots of sleep and slow movement, plus specific mobility/stretching for the legs. Possibly all of these other measures have impacted the sinuses more than the gluten restriction, but when I do "get glutened" or consciously choose to have a gluten-containing food, I noticed immediate congestion overnight that requires a few days of strict compliance to dissipate.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on July 21, 2013
at 02:10 AM

thx Chris. i am also gluten free (mentioned early in my Q) & i gave up alcohol a few years back. my nasal breathing is actually really good, no nasal congestion at all, just the runny nose (plus the mild mucosal thickening seen on the scans). dairy could be a factor tho, i don't do milk, cream or cheese, but i have never been able to give up yogurt for more than a few weeks.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 28, 2013
at 06:50 AM

I've seen improvement, definitely, but as I still have my exquisitely sensitive nose and the world still has trees and flowers and human civilization I can't say it's gone.

I'll define what I mean by improvement. In the past, I literally had to have tissues on my person or no more than 3 feet away at all times. I used tissues all day long and sometimes during the night.

Now, I usually blow my nose when I first get up and I put 3 tissues in my pocket when I go out to walk my dogs. I use those 3 tissues and may use 1 or 2 more when I get back but it's now unusual for me to use any more tissues that day. That's right, I've gone from constantly to the first hour or so of my day.

I'm pretty convinced that I've eliminated all my food triggers and it's just a matter of still living on planet Earth. :-))

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 29, 2013
at 04:36 AM

daz, I'm lactose intolerant and anything with milk/milk solids makes me get stuffy. I think the clear, constant drip that continues all day was from wheat. I definitely use more or less tissues when I'm on or off wheat.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on March 28, 2013
at 10:30 PM

thx Nance, what foods do you think are trigger foods for you

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on September 16, 2014
at 09:34 AM

I find if I have any cheese, milk, yoghurt or anythnig like that I wake up with a runny nose. So I have no dariy products except occasional butter.

I don't eat bread, wheat etc ither and no processed foods and just drink water. Works for me.

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on September 15, 2014
at 09:29 PM

I've dealt with this for 4-5 years at least, ironically ever since I started working around paint and solvents in a paint dept. I am all about natural and sometimes organic and NOT a fan of medication... but I tried so many methods and so far the only thing that WORKS is azelastine. It is an antihistime prescription nasal spray, non-steroidal- those didn't work.

The azelastine spray stops the post nasal drip so I don't cough so much. Cold weather makes it worse, and we are going into winter and cooler weather, so I am hoping for the best. No side effects.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on September 16, 2014
at 04:22 AM

thx for the answer. yep tried azelastine, which did not help.

the only spray that has helped a bit is Ipratropium Bromide (Atrovent), tho i do not currently use it, i just blow my nose & 'move on'

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E1d937fc498a11c4c721af1f2ea3c314

on July 21, 2013
at 06:22 PM

Same symptoms for me, but discovered by accident that paper tissues exacerbated the flow and sneezing - now only use cotton handkerchieves...might help you?

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on July 21, 2013
at 05:55 PM

I don't know if it's close to my problems, but paleo helped me on mine. It only happens again, if I break my rules: no grains, no dairy, no sugar, no alcohol.

I used to be "having the cold" all year long before paleo, with a sore throat, runny nose and coughs that could end up in pneumonia at winter time. My sinuses were so tight, that I had a nasally voice in those periods.

Most of it got away when I cut out grains (it was even rye, which is very common here), but it was first when I cut out all dairy that all symptoms disappered. Hangovers usually have the same results, but I guess it is the huge inflammation.

It seemed chronic at the time, and I was worried to have inherented my father's chronic bronchitis (that might be caused the same way, but "he can't live without bread").

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