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What's the highest mileage running event you're willing to tackle?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 17, 2011 at 3:21 PM

A friend and I are thinking of signing up for a 5k in the coming months.

Is there an upper limit in terms of mileage for you and training for/running events? What point does the mileage/training get to be too much for you in terms of what you'd consider to be "chronic cardio"?

E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

(1867)

on September 02, 2011
at 05:18 AM

I am making up my own since I live in a small town with hardly any sporting events. It's 36 miles at Christmastime for charity. Living in this area has made me super creative. I hope to be in good enough shape to run in the Baker Trail Challenge which is 50 miles. That's in PA.

7a784cb9310e26e4cb8416f3c8fd092c

(121)

on August 31, 2011
at 05:00 AM

Crew member for Jack Dennes (from England) in 2001. Ran it myself in 2002. Crewed again a few years later, I think in 2004 for Jack Murray. If you have been a crew member many times, surely by now you've caught the "Badwater Bug" so when do you think you'll participate as a runner?

7a784cb9310e26e4cb8416f3c8fd092c

(121)

on August 31, 2011
at 04:58 AM

I'm still in the process of gradually switching over to my Vibrams. Right now I use them for Crossfit workouts and some short runs (three miles or less). All of my running is done in Nike Free shoes or track spikes for my interval workouts on rubberized tracks. I usually rotate between two pairs of Nike Frees and once they each have about 300 miles, I buy new ones. Since I weigh 110 lbs, I think I get more mileage on them than someone who might weigh more than that.

1586db0f16b2cef51ee4e71ab08ad1a2

(965)

on August 30, 2011
at 05:40 PM

Generally, anything beyond 50-70% max heart rate for prolonged periods of time (such as 45 minutes) will promote the release of cortisol. You can do exercise that keeps your heart rate below 50% (such as walking, biking, hiking) and not face a cortisol issue, but once you begin to push your heart rate for prolonged periods of time and the glycogen stores become depleted from your muscles, cortisol is released in order to keep you going. Does this help to clarify?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 18, 2011
at 12:35 PM

I trained by continuing my 3 day a week 30/45 minute bootcamp (HIIT style) classes. Towards the end I threw in a couple long runs of 7/10 miles, but not too many. Basically, I counted on my fitness level to get me through 3 hours of running at a very even pace.

954677d5c79932d754d97048191b08c0

on August 18, 2011
at 06:23 AM

Angela what year did you do Bad Water? i've crewed it many times

954677d5c79932d754d97048191b08c0

on August 18, 2011
at 06:21 AM

which ultra? great job!

954677d5c79932d754d97048191b08c0

on August 18, 2011
at 06:20 AM

I have one pair of vibrams have have about 3,000 miles on them, and they still look/feel great....one thing i love about them. I also was washing them 2/3 times a week in the washing machine....stayed together great

954677d5c79932d754d97048191b08c0

on August 18, 2011
at 06:19 AM

i have in the past always worn Vibrams, but in April, i broke both pinky toes running through a rough area and kicked some roots. So i have moved up in protection to the New Balance Minimus'. They do well but i've come to the point where usually at mile 75'ish i swap over to the HOKA Mafates (google them if you havent seen them) they are super light and not anything you'd like by looking at them...but they give my feet and hips a rest from the pounding on the ground for 24 hours straight. I replace my Minimus' almost once a month.

F6ea948ab43dc51d72509c0989e670fe

(1639)

on August 18, 2011
at 04:10 AM

So, curiosity...how did you train for the later half-marathons?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 18, 2011
at 02:37 AM

That is a damn good answer

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 17, 2011
at 06:53 PM

I can't even sew on a button! I pay the cleaners. O_o

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on August 17, 2011
at 06:43 PM

http://home.earthlink.net/~quiltmytees/ and http://m.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.375737342511.156062.106501582511&type=1&refid=9&__m_sync_page__&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fquiltmytees&_rdr both look promising. :-)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 17, 2011
at 06:25 PM

I don't even wear the damn things! I swear some day I'm going to make a quilt out of all the tshirts I have from events like this. Sounds cool, right? Just have to learn how to sew....

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on August 17, 2011
at 06:17 PM

+1 for the free shirts!

154d799847153f5589f99496a9bdbb71

(992)

on August 17, 2011
at 06:14 PM

In case anyone is rusty on their geography, that is 3000 miles.... awesome.

001cd8e3885a870edc0ea8323ad9c719

(260)

on August 17, 2011
at 05:24 PM

My question on this is what define's intense. Can it be defined by a max aerobic function like Maffetone, or some percentage of lactate threshold? I.e. if you train at 60% of LT, that doesn't seem very intense. And in something that is not intense, does it affect cortisol?

F6ea948ab43dc51d72509c0989e670fe

(1639)

on August 17, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Yeah, the warrior dash is fun :)

2c8c421cf0e0c462654c7dc37f8b9711

(2729)

on August 17, 2011
at 05:11 PM

And how often you have to replace said shoes

2c8c421cf0e0c462654c7dc37f8b9711

(2729)

on August 17, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Haha if I could find/afford a sitter I liked, I'd train for an ultramarathon.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 17, 2011
at 05:10 PM

My sister lives in Keene! :P

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on August 17, 2011
at 04:04 PM

the adventure races do look really fun. I live in Canada so I keep meaning to try snowshoe running at some point, too.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on August 17, 2011
at 04:03 PM

Interested to hear about the kind of shoes you run in.

B61f6513a155cd874b42efdad55312f6

(231)

on August 17, 2011
at 03:56 PM

15 miles would be my utter edge. I like the roundedness of 10mi. I do about two 10 milers a week, one in the mountains, and then a third run that starts with 8-10 hill sprints. I find the adventure races to be a ton of fun. I'm also probably going to enter some basic trail races in the near future.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 17, 2011
at 03:55 PM

*\o/* Do it! *\o/* If only for the excuse to get out of the house and run by yourself with your friend. The kids can't tag along! Running is "me" time.

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001cd8e3885a870edc0ea8323ad9c719

(260)

on August 17, 2011
at 03:55 PM

I'm an ultra runner, so I'm probably not a good one to answer compared to most people here. :-) But I think a different perspective can be helpful...

First, I'm not chronic cardio. I run marathons on as little as 15 miles per week average, and utlra's up to 40-42 miles on less than 30. I'm shooting for 50 in the fall and probably won't average more than 30 miles per week leading up to that.

I mix in other work like crossfit, movnat, lots of hiking, a little mtn biking, some paddling, traditional weights, etc., to make it all happen.

I consider running part of my "play time" as outlined by Sisson. Is that an excuse, or is that cheating? I don't know, but I love to run, so it works for me...

I do think that 6 days of cardio with HRM at 80%++ of Max is not so good for you. On the other hand, I think training at your maximum aerobic rate, is not as bad for you as the chronic cardio camp says it is. Much of my running is at or just below my max aerobic. But I will mix in anaerobic work in the form of races and intervals, but only for a small period of time.

For many people, runners included, max aerobic rate is going to feel awfully slow when 1st attempted. My max is around 135-145 bpm, which is a 9:30 - 10:30 pace depending on how far into the run I am. However, my 5k race pace is just above 6:30 and marathon pace just under 8:00.

I run mostly by feel, but will use an HRM every now and then to ensure my "feel" has not drifted from reality.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 18, 2011
at 02:37 AM

That is a damn good answer

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C0fcb48d7da4f76fac17318efd2cd6b8

on August 17, 2011
at 04:08 PM

I ran from Portland, Oregon to Keene, New Hampshire in the summer of 1980. That's about as far as I'll ever want to run.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 17, 2011
at 05:10 PM

My sister lives in Keene! :P

154d799847153f5589f99496a9bdbb71

(992)

on August 17, 2011
at 06:14 PM

In case anyone is rusty on their geography, that is 3000 miles.... awesome.

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on August 17, 2011
at 03:54 PM

5ks are awesome and a lot of fun. It's usually about 30/40 minutes of jogging for me and my girlfriends and we spend the time chatting and catching up with each other. Obviously, we aren't very competitive about it, we are there for the free shirt and the company!

I am pretty comfortable with 1/2 marathons also. I've done 4 of them and can do them without a lot of training. Sprint triathlons are also a lot of fun, though I have only done pool swims and not open swims.

It's my opinion that it's the training that makes for chronic cardio. The first couple 1/2 marathons I did, I religiously stuck to the training schedule I was given. In the end, for the actual event, my body was pretty beat up from the constant running schedule. More recently, I've learned to rely on my regular exercise schedule and level of fitness to get me through the event. My 5k times this year have been better than any others!

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on August 17, 2011
at 06:17 PM

+1 for the free shirts!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 17, 2011
at 06:53 PM

I can't even sew on a button! I pay the cleaners. O_o

F6ea948ab43dc51d72509c0989e670fe

(1639)

on August 18, 2011
at 04:10 AM

So, curiosity...how did you train for the later half-marathons?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 18, 2011
at 12:35 PM

I trained by continuing my 3 day a week 30/45 minute bootcamp (HIIT style) classes. Towards the end I threw in a couple long runs of 7/10 miles, but not too many. Basically, I counted on my fitness level to get me through 3 hours of running at a very even pace.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on August 17, 2011
at 06:43 PM

http://home.earthlink.net/~quiltmytees/ and http://m.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.375737342511.156062.106501582511&type=1&refid=9&__m_sync_page__&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fquiltmytees&_rdr both look promising. :-)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 17, 2011
at 06:25 PM

I don't even wear the damn things! I swear some day I'm going to make a quilt out of all the tshirts I have from events like this. Sounds cool, right? Just have to learn how to sew....

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954677d5c79932d754d97048191b08c0

on August 17, 2011
at 03:59 PM

i run 100 miler ultra marathons about once a month, and 50 miler's almost every other weekend there isnt a 100 mile race. I use the 50 miler's pretty much as my long runs now, and crossfit as my cardio/endurance training during the week. Are you currently running? if not, start out easy, and increase your runs by no more than 10% each week. Take it easy, running should be enjoyable! One thing to be aware of, is your form. Make sure you have good posture and are not slugging and bent over (i see so many runners do this, and their face makes them look like they are in pain...running shouldnt be painful)

2c8c421cf0e0c462654c7dc37f8b9711

(2729)

on August 17, 2011
at 05:11 PM

And how often you have to replace said shoes

954677d5c79932d754d97048191b08c0

on August 18, 2011
at 06:20 AM

I have one pair of vibrams have have about 3,000 miles on them, and they still look/feel great....one thing i love about them. I also was washing them 2/3 times a week in the washing machine....stayed together great

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on August 17, 2011
at 04:03 PM

Interested to hear about the kind of shoes you run in.

954677d5c79932d754d97048191b08c0

on August 18, 2011
at 06:19 AM

i have in the past always worn Vibrams, but in April, i broke both pinky toes running through a rough area and kicked some roots. So i have moved up in protection to the New Balance Minimus'. They do well but i've come to the point where usually at mile 75'ish i swap over to the HOKA Mafates (google them if you havent seen them) they are super light and not anything you'd like by looking at them...but they give my feet and hips a rest from the pounding on the ground for 24 hours straight. I replace my Minimus' almost once a month.

7a784cb9310e26e4cb8416f3c8fd092c

(121)

on August 31, 2011
at 04:58 AM

I'm still in the process of gradually switching over to my Vibrams. Right now I use them for Crossfit workouts and some short runs (three miles or less). All of my running is done in Nike Free shoes or track spikes for my interval workouts on rubberized tracks. I usually rotate between two pairs of Nike Frees and once they each have about 300 miles, I buy new ones. Since I weigh 110 lbs, I think I get more mileage on them than someone who might weigh more than that.

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on August 17, 2011
at 06:09 PM

I'm a recovering distance runner. Now I run 3 5ks and the New Bedford Half Marathon with no training runs longer than 800 meters. For training I do self-styled crossfit and movnat, lots of squats, deadlifts, box jumps, sprints and burpees. Last March I ran the half marathon 8 minutes slower than my PR which isn't bad considering I ran >1 mile per week.

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1586db0f16b2cef51ee4e71ab08ad1a2

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on August 17, 2011
at 05:15 PM

I try and keep my intense exercise no longer than 45 minutes. This is about how long it takes for cortisol to rear its mitigating head.

For some info on cortisol, MDA has a decent article: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/cortisol/

Cortisol serves many important functions, including the rapid release of glycogen stores for immediate energy. But persistent cortisol release requires that other vital mechanisms effectively shut down ??? immunity, digestion, healthy endocrine function, and so on. Among other stress-health associations, the link between elevated cortisol and weight gain has already been established.

And Robb Wolf: http://robbwolf.com/2009/10/12/my-training-and-adrenal-fatigue/

Cortisol competes with testosterone for the substrate pregnenalone. High cortisol means insulin resistance, low strength and slow recovery. Excessive metabolic conditiong makes things worse. What???s excessive? You never make progress, you feel like absolute death doing anything over a few minutes duration. I???ve also had 4-5 sinus infections in the past about 8 months. No bueno.

001cd8e3885a870edc0ea8323ad9c719

(260)

on August 17, 2011
at 05:24 PM

My question on this is what define's intense. Can it be defined by a max aerobic function like Maffetone, or some percentage of lactate threshold? I.e. if you train at 60% of LT, that doesn't seem very intense. And in something that is not intense, does it affect cortisol?

1586db0f16b2cef51ee4e71ab08ad1a2

(965)

on August 30, 2011
at 05:40 PM

Generally, anything beyond 50-70% max heart rate for prolonged periods of time (such as 45 minutes) will promote the release of cortisol. You can do exercise that keeps your heart rate below 50% (such as walking, biking, hiking) and not face a cortisol issue, but once you begin to push your heart rate for prolonged periods of time and the glycogen stores become depleted from your muscles, cortisol is released in order to keep you going. Does this help to clarify?

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41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

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on August 17, 2011
at 04:48 PM

Since turnof paleo I quit running! Almost. I did half marathons and such but had a love hate relationship with it. Now I literally do 2-3 tabatta sprints a week. I did 5 k on aug 12 24:10. Hoping to shavena few off in one month to prove distance stinks and sprints rock! Though I may do a half trail for fun with only tabatta training. The anaerobic benefits transfer aerobically. Paleo changed the way I workout too!

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Af9537cfa50562b67979624e9007e12a

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on August 17, 2011
at 04:34 PM

my personal running limit is several sets of all-out sprints.

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:31 PM

My personal limit is a 5k. I am doing (almost done!) the Couch Potato to 5K program and I'm looking forward to my first race.

I think ~3 miles up to 3x/week, for me, is low enough to avoid most disadvantages of chronic cardio, but at the same time high enough to reap the benefits...perhaps the physical benefits are minor compared to other forms of exercise, but I find the mental benefits to personally be worth it.

One of the races I'm looking forward to is a Warrior Race. It's a 5k that has obstacles along the way. I think this is a great way to let my paleo/primal self out. 8)

F6ea948ab43dc51d72509c0989e670fe

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on August 17, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Yeah, the warrior dash is fun :)

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F6ea948ab43dc51d72509c0989e670fe

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on August 18, 2011
at 04:10 AM

I admit, I don't necessarily like running.

I don't mind 5k's. But I always pick a warrior dash or something that has obstacles or something else to do. So it sort of becomes like interval training instead :)

My max? 10-12 miles. Only because that's how long the tough mudder is, and I'm going to do it this next year. After that, I think I'm going to call it quits on the longer stuff and go back to an occasional 5k with the only training being done is sprints.

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7a784cb9310e26e4cb8416f3c8fd092c

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on August 17, 2011
at 07:44 PM

I've done 34 marathons, and lots of utra marathons includeing Badwater (135 miles through Death Valley in July). Of those marathons, so far one has been done since I changed to Paleo (Kona Marathon on 6/26/11). I'm currently training for another marathon and I do about 3 per year. Since going Paleo, I've noticed no changes. I no longer drink Gatorade while running, just water with a B12 vitamin packet and some amino acids (like glutamine). I also do Crossfit about 3 times per week. Any person can run any distance they want, even with minimal training. Our bodies are designed to run quite efficiently (although some people don't necessarily move as efficiently as they could). And remember, it is about 90% mental. If you want to badly enough, you will accomplish anything.

954677d5c79932d754d97048191b08c0

on August 18, 2011
at 06:23 AM

Angela what year did you do Bad Water? i've crewed it many times

7a784cb9310e26e4cb8416f3c8fd092c

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on August 31, 2011
at 05:00 AM

Crew member for Jack Dennes (from England) in 2001. Ran it myself in 2002. Crewed again a few years later, I think in 2004 for Jack Murray. If you have been a crew member many times, surely by now you've caught the "Badwater Bug" so when do you think you'll participate as a runner?

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 17, 2011
at 05:43 PM

I'd rather stay in my cave and eat some good steak. Running is not for me.

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E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:54 PM

I ride my bicycle long distances and want to be a long distance runner also. I'm doing a half marathon in October and an ultra in December. I feel great. Also, working a high stress job as a nurse, it cuts down on my cortisol levels big time.

954677d5c79932d754d97048191b08c0

on August 18, 2011
at 06:21 AM

which ultra? great job!

E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

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on September 02, 2011
at 05:18 AM

I am making up my own since I live in a small town with hardly any sporting events. It's 36 miles at Christmastime for charity. Living in this area has made me super creative. I hope to be in good enough shape to run in the Baker Trail Challenge which is 50 miles. That's in PA.

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7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:38 PM

My personal limit is probably long runs of up to about 15 miles, and I routinely run about 35 miles/week right now (no comments about how I'm going to die from too much cardio, please.) I've run the half-marathon distance but I don't think I would ever consider a marathon. I run distance a lot but the longest I've raced is 10K. These days I'm getting more into trail running anyway.

However I rarely do any racing anymore because for me it kind of sucks all the fun out of running. I will quickly become very compulsive and anxious if I start following regimented training plans. Not that I don't enjoy pushing myself, otherwise I'd never get faster, but it's awesome to be able to jut go out and do whatever kind of run I want without worrying that I have a race in three weeks and I really need to focus on that. It's a lot more enjoyable, kind of like how running is when we're little kids, you know?

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:56 PM

15 miles would be my utter edge. I like the roundedness of 10mi. I do about two 10 milers a week, one in the mountains, and then a third run that starts with 8-10 hill sprints. I find the adventure races to be a ton of fun. I'm also probably going to enter some basic trail races in the near future.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on August 17, 2011
at 04:04 PM

the adventure races do look really fun. I live in Canada so I keep meaning to try snowshoe running at some point, too.

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on August 17, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Oops. I accidentally logged into the wrong account.

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