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Any high mileage runners out there?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 21, 2011 at 11:17 AM

I don't expect many with the hostility against endurance training but just wondering...

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on November 16, 2011
at 04:33 PM

I'm not against it at all. My next goal is a half marathon. I'm not high mileage by some standards yet, but I see nothing wrong with accomplishing a half or full marathon with proper training and rest. My observation of some of my friends is they don't rest enough. I'm big on rest and recovery.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 16, 2011
at 02:32 PM

I've run over 18,000 miles - over 35 years - does that count?

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 15, 2011
at 02:19 AM

Times up. Are you back running?

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 23, 2011
at 05:37 AM

That's a big topic, what specifically?

B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

(5242)

on June 22, 2011
at 12:03 AM

Agreed! .

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on June 21, 2011
at 08:46 PM

Best. Feeling. Ever.

4e813fcf7266312684862b945c1c3281

(462)

on June 21, 2011
at 07:29 PM

Edward, what do you think of Cordain's recovery ideas or ideas in general in Paleo for Athletes?

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

(1652)

on June 21, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Great points. Thanks for the insight. It's definitely something I've been interested in.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 21, 2011
at 04:08 PM

@smartcookie Yes I'm a runner. I've reviewed a lot of literature on this I believe that diet and under-nourishment to include not eating enough explains the observations. Of course I'm biased. But I think if we look at the Kenyans and other African countries it becomes glaringly obvious why they thrive while those on engineered diets tend to fall over. How they approach training also plays a huge role. Recovery is central to their training principles.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 21, 2011
at 03:58 PM

African diets are worlds different from American runners elite and armchair alike.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 21, 2011
at 03:56 PM

If you spend time watching elite Ethiopian/Kenyans training year round it becomes very apparent why they can run effortlessly for years without any injuries because of how they modulate/polarize their training. This balance is not found in the American elite running culture which is why we don't dominate Internationally.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 21, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Even elite athletes are guilty of training improperly there are plenty of cases where elite runners drop over. But I can pretty much guarantee that this is not due to the running itself but rather to improper training and recovery debt.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 21, 2011
at 03:48 PM

Hobby jogging is quite a different training scenario than elite training structure. From that point of view I can very well see why arm chair joggers have injuries and health problems throughout their running "careers" and can definitely understand the caution when approaching endurance training in the Paleo biome.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 21, 2011
at 03:44 PM

In elite running we tend to think in "hours spent training" which is somewhere between 10-15 hours of running per week, typically overall millage ends up laying somewhere between 90-120 miles depending on the distance that the athlete specializes in. Overall 80+ miles per week is the foundation to get into 13 min 5k territory. But I must emphasize that it's not just 80 miles of jogging. It's a balance between quality work to facilitate a stimulus and easy running and recovery miles to maintain improvements.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

(1652)

on June 21, 2011
at 03:06 PM

@Edward. I agree. I don't have to lose weight - still, I agree even so even individuals with a healthy weight may benefit more from non-running exercises. Then again, some people do just fine. I will also be keeping a close eye on my bone density, since I had very low vit D pre-paleo. There is an interesting discussion on exercise and longevity here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/39170/exercise-and-longevity#axzz1PvIYxJia Are you a runner yourself?

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(18701)

on June 21, 2011
at 03:02 PM

What do you consider high mileage?

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 21, 2011
at 02:56 PM

I'd agree that there are more effective ways of loosing weight. In fact I think often times you'll get more results just walking rather than running. I've seen people loose a lot of weight just getting out and walking an hour a day.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 21, 2011
at 01:42 PM

I love crossfire! Such an exciting game.

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8398a16ec3939bfbf2aef6c3ef926f86

on June 22, 2011
at 12:15 AM

I've run six marathons. My most recent was the first one where I trained almost totally paleo, and it was also my fastest (3:38). The most important things to do when taking on a long-term running program are:

  • proper technique. If you slam your heels into the ground a hundred million times during training, you WILL have knee/other joint issues, and you will not race happy or well.
  • proper intensity. Mark Sissons' "chronic cardio" was only a problem (for me, anyway) when I would push myself too hard too often. Now, I know to take it easy for most of my runs (the "conversational pace"), and throw in sprints once or twice a week.
  • some of us are better suited to endurance sports than others. If you find that you can't race well without relying on decidedly non-paleo, unhealthy methods, perhaps consider a more recreational/relaxed approach to the sport. I know that I can't run 150 miles a week and stay paleo, so I limit myself to 60-75. I'll never be elite, or even particularly good, but so what? It's fun.

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Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

on June 21, 2011
at 01:44 PM

I love running -- I ran a (3:25-hr) marathon and used to run 40+ miles a week. I've cut down a lot of running in favor of resistance training, yoga and some biking. Now I do about 25 miles a week. I'm afraid I love it too much (addicted to endorphins?) to give up my long runs for good, but haven't noticed a difference in my pace with less mileage - in fact, I ran just 17 miles of a relay at a 6:45min-mi pace, which is fast for me.

I think some are more okay with distance running than others, but think that marathons are likely unhealthy for most. Discounting sprints, I don't think endurance running is the way to go if you need to lose weight. I'll have to post some before/after photos because I'm already noticing a difference lifting more and eating paleo. I also eat way fewer, but not "low" carb and still feel pretty good. Anyway, I'm open to experimentation with my workouts and mileage, so I'm interested to hear what other people think.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 21, 2011
at 02:56 PM

I'd agree that there are more effective ways of loosing weight. In fact I think often times you'll get more results just walking rather than running. I've seen people loose a lot of weight just getting out and walking an hour a day.

4e813fcf7266312684862b945c1c3281

(462)

on June 21, 2011
at 07:29 PM

Edward, what do you think of Cordain's recovery ideas or ideas in general in Paleo for Athletes?

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 21, 2011
at 04:08 PM

@smartcookie Yes I'm a runner. I've reviewed a lot of literature on this I believe that diet and under-nourishment to include not eating enough explains the observations. Of course I'm biased. But I think if we look at the Kenyans and other African countries it becomes glaringly obvious why they thrive while those on engineered diets tend to fall over. How they approach training also plays a huge role. Recovery is central to their training principles.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

(1652)

on June 21, 2011
at 03:06 PM

@Edward. I agree. I don't have to lose weight - still, I agree even so even individuals with a healthy weight may benefit more from non-running exercises. Then again, some people do just fine. I will also be keeping a close eye on my bone density, since I had very low vit D pre-paleo. There is an interesting discussion on exercise and longevity here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/39170/exercise-and-longevity#axzz1PvIYxJia Are you a runner yourself?

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

(1652)

on June 21, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Great points. Thanks for the insight. It's definitely something I've been interested in.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 23, 2011
at 05:37 AM

That's a big topic, what specifically?

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332d9f75d1077abafff6887681f6b130

on June 21, 2011
at 11:53 AM

I used to do 50+ mile bike rides 2-3X per week until school got in the way. I miss it :(

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A70f82d3ca3342defefbd5204707c5db

on June 21, 2011
at 11:39 AM

I used to be until a knee injury sidelined me. I am doing paleo and crossfire as part of my rehab to keep in shape but I plan to start logging the miles soon. I would like to hit a marathon in about 6-8 months.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 21, 2011
at 01:42 PM

I love crossfire! Such an exciting game.

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71e078b9000a360364fd039bae64dabf

on November 16, 2011
at 02:39 PM

I used to be massively into running. I was never that great but i did bust out a 2h54m marathon in 2007. Shortly afterwards i got sidelined with various inflammation-related problems. It's actually one of the main reasons i ended up palaeo. After literally three or four years of very low mileage (maybe 15 miles a week), over the past few months i've found my body can tolerate a bit more. I'm doing 30-40 miles a week at the moment. I've not got any marathon plans in the near future but i'm working on getting my 5km PB down. I ran 17m28s last weekend - i'd like to get under 17m by next Spring.

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7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on November 16, 2011
at 02:24 PM

I'm just delving into the distance running world (10+ miles on weekends), done all in five-fingers, sometimes fasted, always the best part of my week. I do weight training circuits during the week for balance but I will never look forward to them as much as my long runs. I'm running my first marathon in January and have friends lined up to hand me hot sweet potatoes at aid stations - unfortunately they won't run with me, and that companionship is the only thing I'm missing from my running. Persistence hunts probably weren't done entirely alone....

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B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

(5242)

on June 21, 2011
at 12:06 PM

I used to log about 100km a week, until I got knocked over by a cyclist and have suffered a cascade of injuries since. That was 6 months ago.

Fingers crossed that 2 months or so and I'll be running again. I miss it.

Nothing quite like getting on mountain trail with just you and the wind and running for 3-4 hours. :)

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 15, 2011
at 02:19 AM

Times up. Are you back running?

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on June 21, 2011
at 08:46 PM

Best. Feeling. Ever.

B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

(5242)

on June 22, 2011
at 12:03 AM

Agreed! .

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